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Gliding is not possible in Zero Dawn on PS4 due to technical reasons. But is possible in Forbidden West, even on PS4 - why?
Rea
Member
That's the question. LoL. Why it is not possible on HZ Zero dawn
Rea
Member
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Because they improved the engine and how it works on PS4 so they managed to cram it in without the original technical issues. It's been 4 years you know. The engine and content of HZD is not exactly the engine and content of HFW. They didn't say gliding is impossible on PS4 (so you then troll contrast gliding in Switch/WiiU/Wii/PSOne games, lol) so you'll never have any game from any developer regardless of content with such a feature! They said it's impossible with their exact circumstances at the time for their own specific game, engine, content, at the time. It's not that hard guys.
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Stuart360
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lol i love how all these game styles and game mechanics we have had for 30 years now, suddenly are not capable without a super SSD.
People lap it up too.
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Apollo Helios
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Have you ever stop to think maybe their game engine tools at the time were not advanced enough to implement this within the frame budget back in 2017, but now their rendering techniques and their engine tools are advanced enough to squeeze this feature within the frame budget even on PS4?
It doesn't always have to be what is possible with the hardware limits, these developers push the software side of things so that they can eke out every bit of performance out of the same hardware. Remember that Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2 and then finally Uncharted 3 were all on the same fucking console PS3...
It doesn't always have to be what is possible with the hardware limits, these developers push the software side of things so that they can eke out every bit of performance out of the same hardware. Remember that Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2 and then finally Uncharted 3 were all on the same fucking console PS3...
captainraincoat
Banned
Damn you Jim Ryan
Sometimes in development we say such things because there were time constraints to find a solution for the problem at hand.
Usually the client doesn't want to pay for the time needed to research a good solution to the problem, from there you have two options:
1. Try to come up with a hacky, half done implementation.
2. Remove the feature altogether and send it to the backlog to be added later IF there's time, or in this case, for the next game.
Usually the client doesn't want to pay for the time needed to research a good solution to the problem, from there you have two options:
1. Try to come up with a hacky, half done implementation.
2. Remove the feature altogether and send it to the backlog to be added later IF there's time, or in this case, for the next game.
mansoor1980
Member
after lying guerrilla be like
llLeonhart
Member
He did not say it wasn't possible because of the PS4.
"Technical reasons" might be so many different things, there is no reason at all to assume that the issue was the console.
"Technical reasons" might be so many different things, there is no reason at all to assume that the issue was the console.
Rea
Member
Why would they lie? And where's your proof. It could be their engine that the ps4 couldn't handle that mechanic, now the engine is more optimized for ps4, it is possible.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Technology evolve you know. They have better tools now.
This is too dumb for words.
This is too dumb for words.
Rea
Member
Maybe, because some people claiming that the game engines and the console hardware is already pushing to it's limitations and potentials, when at launched. Just curious how is this possible when ps4 is already at its limits during when launched.
Rea
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HAL-01
Member
ok and when did they say "not possible on PS4"
Ive never heard of any game developer that would just go "not possible" when presented with a tech problem. its literally the programmer's job to figure out a way
Rea
Member
Feel free to file a lawsuit then.
Apollo Helios
Member
Because they are always pushing the hardware to the limits WITHIN the constraints of their current render technologies and solutions, ALWAYS pushing to limits with their current knowledge. Knowledge, technology, and solutions are always getting better and better, which EFFECTIVELY pushes hardware to new limits (meanwhile theoretical maximum is always static - xx TF is always xx TF).
For example, ND render guy gave a Siggraph presentation for TLoU II in 2020
These rendering techniques, using 'ribbons' based on screen space uv data is ALL new and was never done before. By using Screen space data already generated for SSR (screen-space reflections) for a particle system accelerated by GPU, they offloaded some calculation off CPU and at the same time made completely new usage for effects like blood splatters and rain drops.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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Kagero
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Technical reasons could simply mean the game engine wasn’t designed with the mechanic in mind. Why wouldn’t it be possible? I remember playing Warhawk on the PS3 where you’re moving very quickly through a very large open field. The game just needs to be designed with purpose right from the beginning.
I don't think they mentioned it wasn't possible on the PS4. They said it wasn't something they could add due to technical reasons. This could be many things depending on when they wanted to add it. It could be engine related. AI maybe couldn't really track in the air. It could be that the world was made and gliding would break things requiring redesigns. It could be any number of things.
eyesabitdull
Banned
Fucking Arm Chair Developers: The Thread.
Its because they lied, hurr durr.
Its because they lied, hurr durr.
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Rea
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Paragliding is even possible on nintendo switch, (i know HZ is more graphically demanding) but ps4 is alot more powerful than switch anyway. Just curious what's the technical reason.
fallingdove
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Where did they say it wasn’t possible on PS4? it’s in the new game on PS4.
Fbh
Member
Why does Uncharted 2 look so much better than 1?
Why could they only get Uncharted 1 to look ok but then it suddenly looked incredible in 2?
Tech evolves, improves and gets more polished over time.
Horizon was their first open world game, and using a new engine too. It seems reasonable to me that both their tech as well as their skills using it have improved in the 4 years since Horizon launched (and probably like 8 or more years since they first started working on it)
Why could they only get Uncharted 1 to look ok but then it suddenly looked incredible in 2?
Tech evolves, improves and gets more polished over time.
Horizon was their first open world game, and using a new engine too. It seems reasonable to me that both their tech as well as their skills using it have improved in the 4 years since Horizon launched (and probably like 8 or more years since they first started working on it)
Rea
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Yeah, many things. Let's speculate and discuss.
I just wondering what could be the reason. It is because their engine at that time couldn't handle very far draw distance?
Apollo Helios
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J
JeremyEtcetera
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True answer.
Also they probably learned even more about their engine when Kojima used it for Death Stranding.
alabtrosMyster
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bitbydeath
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Flying works just fine on a regular HDD but if you’re streaming your level then you’ll need an SSD to go really fast to pull everything in quicker.
Take GTAV for example, you can fly but it is slooooooooooooow!
Stuart360
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Dude there have been loads of fast moving games for decades. Even in GTA5, you get the fighter jet and you can get some pretty fast speeds, at least on PC anyway.
I mean we just had that UE5 demo being played on standard HDD's with zero stutter and pop in.
yeah, if you want to stream somehting as detailed as that orig UE5 demo on PS5 at super fast speeds, you probably do neeed a good SSD, but its not like we are going to get games as detailed as that any time soon.
Rea
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Yeah in the first game, they scrap that feature due to technical reason.
alabtrosMyster
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Well, if it was really worded this way I'd put it in the marketing strangeness because there were plenty of games with flying "mounts" on PlayStation, even before the PS4... And why would you want to make your console look weak?
alabtrosMyster
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Great Hair
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bitbydeath
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It’s a bit faster but still slow travelling overall.
If you want to screech across the sky or move as fast as Spider-Man did in that demo then you’d need an SSD for sure.
It’ll depend on what the devs want to achieve, and what the engine is capable of, of course.
Stuart360
Member
So if Spiiderman comes to PC (which is very possible now), you think a requirement will be a SSD?.
I think it will 'reccomend' a SSD, but the game will run fine on a HDD. Just like on PS4.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Nah, he doesn’t move that fast in the game…. Yet!So if Spiiderman comes to PC (which is very possible now), you think a requirement will be a SSD?.
I think it will 'reccomend' a SSD, but the game will run fine on a HDD. Just like on PS4.
Dream-Knife
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It's also entirely possible PS4 pro was the target console this time instead of the base PS4. That does imply that the base PS4 version will perform poorly though...
Rea
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Thx for the video, it is amazing. I learned alot by watching this.