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[Dream-Knife]

Because people might not want to wait for 2-3 years, hoping the game will eventually release, to play the sequel and see what happens next in the story.

I already see many posts on Reddit that a PC user just finished God of War and is so hyped for Ragnarok that they bought a PlayStation.

That's going to be few and far between.

 

[SlimySnake]

Remember that Sony/MS sell hardware at loss, the big money they make is selling games.

Only at the start and their big money is selling PS+ subs to 48 million users, and getting a 30% cut from every digital purchases. Or 10% from every physical copy sold on the console. Warzone makes $5 million a day. around 60% of which is on PS. That's 3 million a day on PS. Sony keeps 30% of that. They are basically making a million a day from Warzone. That's $365 million a year.

2 million GOW sales on steam gets them $90 million after valve's cut. Pretty good short term. Probably funded the entire dev of GOW Ragnorak and half of the marketing budget. Long term, who knows.

 

[Shmunter]

Yikes, this will encourage more pc porting by Jim Cockney Ryan

 

[tusharngf]

Yikes, this will encourage more pc porting by Jim Cockney Ryan

PC is more like an open platform and not owned by anyone. They are getting free sales outside their domain. They sold the game for a higher price as well. Jim will port more games. This is a no-brainer. Sony is having great momentum and record-breaking revenue.

 

[Alphagear]

Double dippers? i do not know 1 single PC player who will buy a PS5 for just 1 game and than will buy that game again when it release on PC not one none lol

I'm referring to console gamers who buy the game again on PC.

 

[DJ12]

Bodes well for PS only games

No one begrudges PCMR getting exclusives from 2018.

 

[ratburger]

Sony loses 30 percent of their revenue when publishing on Steam... God of War just sold 2 million copies on Steam, which is great but out of 100 million dollars in revenue, 30 million went to valve instead of Sony.

Steam takes a lower percentage of the revenue as the game hits certain sales targets:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/30...rketplace-revenue-split-new-rules-competition

That will remain the case for the first $10 million in sales a game maker or publisher earns. For all sales between $10 million and $50 million, the split goes to 25 percent. And for every sale after the initial $50 million, Steam will take just a 20 percent cut.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Why would they though? Why not just wait for the inevitable PC port?

Because there are people who don't want to wait an extra 4 years to play what they want.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Day and date for Gaas and 12 months for single player games is a smart play.

 

[ClosBSAS]

This is my first time reading (or seeing) these images. Am I reading it correctly that God of War sold more than Forza Horizon 5 on steam by roughly 500K?

Yes, that's correct. And God of war will be higher once sales figures come in updated.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Yes, that's correct. And God of war will be higher once sales figures come in updated.

Can you show us Horizon and Days Gone? Would be interesting to know.

 

[Whitecrow]

Imagine how much copies of god of war ragnarok sony could sell if they launch it on PC and PlayStation.

Imagine how many ps5 they wouldnt sell

 

[DJ12]

Imagine how many ps5 they wouldnt sell

They will lose less sales of the ps5 than Ms will of the series x thanks to gamepass pc.

Nice cope though, really didn't see that coming

 

[fermcr]

If true, that's impressive sales numbers for a 3 year old game.

 

[crunchyBiscuits]

Have an established PC launcher / business.

Would this not affect their relationship with Epic?

Epic has its own store as well and Sony and Epic have been buddy-buddy this gen, right?

 

[DenchDeckard]

If we see another 2 quarters where ps5 slips behind PS4 we will see god of war come to pc within a year I bet. It’s going to be interesting to see how horizons sales go on ps5. It will be amazing if it can hit 2.5 to 3 million sales on ps5 alone considering the user base.

 

[tusharngf]

Imagine how many ps5 they wouldnt sell

they are not selling that much due to chip shortage anyway !!

 

[Sentenza]

Chip shortage will continue until 2024 so

There was an article just yesterday announcing that the production pipeline for wafers/chips is already entirely sold out up to 2026.
Better get used to the idea quickly.

 

[Sentenza]

Tsushima is a PS4 game so there is a good chance.

GoT was already leaked as one of the upcoming ports almost a year ago.
It's more a matter of "when" than "if".

 

[arvfab]

Day and date for Gaas and 48 months for single player games is a smart play.

Fixed it for you.

Maybe even better to just port the games of the previous generation.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

If anything they will bank on double dippers this way while not removing value from their hardware platform.

The only thing that may accelerate PC releases is if they can't produce enough consoles for a long time.

Good observation. And without console sales, forget that sweet PS+ money.

 

[Sentenza]

It did this launching 4 years after. Think their strategy is releasing the PC ports when a sequel is coming up on PS5. Getting people invested and hoping they won't wait another 4 years for the next port and just buy a PS5 to play it as soon as possible.

A lethal combo of this

- Sony will never port games to PC.
- Sony is porting the Quantic Dream games because it is an investor in Epic and the exclusivity money paid for development. Don't expect more ports.
- Sony is porting Horizon Zero Dawn because most of the work has been done on account of Death Stranding using the same engine and it wants to drum up interest in the sequel. Don't expect ports of anything released relatively recently.
- Sony is porting Days Gone because it underperformed. Don't expect ports of titles in a successful franchise, like Uncharted.
- Sony is porting Uncharted because it's dormant franchise. Don't expect ports of titles in a successful and active franchise, like God of War.
- Sony is porting God of War (2018) because it's not a cross-gen game. Don't expect ports of games that are also available on PS5.
- Sony is porting Sackboy because it is a cross-gen game. Don't expect ports of PS5 exclusives. <--- We are here now.
- Sony is porting [PS5 exclusive] because [reason]. Don't expect day-one releases.
- I can't believe Sony is doing day-one releases! I'm cancelling my pre-orders!

plus this:

 

[DJ12]

If we see another 2 quarters where ps5 slips behind PS4 we will see god of war come to pc within a year I bet. It’s going to be interesting to see how horizons sales go on ps5. It will be amazing if it can hit 2.5 to 3 million sales on ps5 alone considering the user base.

haha

what a take.

they sell as many PS5s as they can get in the channel, within hours of them being available most of the time.

I guess Sony are so disappointed with not having a console sitting on the shelf waiting to be sold.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Good observation. And without console sales, forget that sweet PS+ money.

Exactly. Sony is about to release and change their subscription services as well. That's where they make the most money. PC is a nice extra for them. I'm sure multiplayer games will be released on PC day one though. Probably starting with Factions

 

[Haggard]

And they barely put any resources into the port at all.
The amount of "free extra money" Sony is making here is amazing. I hope the officials have a close eye on this revenue and take it as an incentive for more ports.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Fixed it for you.

Maybe even better to just port the games of the previous generation.

Sony doesn't have Nintendo's magic scroll of infinite full pricing. They get the vast majority of their value from the first 6 to 12 months, then it's all about purchases at discount. There's no point in holding on any longer than 12 months, and it will keep the ball rolling much faster that way.

 

[ParaSeoul]

A lethal combo of this



plus this:

I never cared about the PC ports but I don't think they'd ever do it day one. Look at what Rockstar does,console version first then PC. They know people will double dip.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Can you show us Horizon and Days Gone? Would be interesting to know.

 

[GrayChild]

Huh?! I never thought Days Gone would do better than Horizon in the long term.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I honestly don't trust Steamspy numbers that much. I'll stick with the number of reviews as a sales estimate.

A 30k review game (Days Gone) outselling a 70k review game (Horizon) is highly improbable. That's why I'm also skeptical about GoW outselling FH5.

 

[arvfab]

Sony doesn't have Nintendo's magic scroll of infinite full pricing. They get the vast majority of their value from the first 6 to 12 months, then it's all about purchases at discount. There's no point in holding on any longer than 12 months, and it will keep the ball rolling much faster that way.

Agree on the sales part, but after that, could be good incentive for PS+/Now. So maybe not 4 years, but 2 might be minimum.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Remember that Sony/MS sell hardware at loss, the big money they make is selling games.

Sony's standard PS5 has become profitable, but the Digital Edition is still being sold at a loss

That isn't the case for the standard PS5 since mid 2021. Digital we don't know by now.

 

[ClosBSAS]

I honestly don't trust Steamspy numbers that much. I'll stick with the number of reviews as a sales estimate.

A 30k review game (Days Gone) outselling a 70k review game (Horizon) is highly improbable. That's why I'm also skeptical about GoW outselling FH5.

not at all, steamspys new algorythm is actually poretty accurate. horizon had a terrihble launch, issues fixed or not, it had a shitty ass launch with many bugs. and its price was raised before it came out. steamspy numbers are more accurate than you think and the fact that days gone outseld horizon on PC speaks vfolumes of a what good port can do to sales. also, ppl seem to like zombie games more on pc.

while i get your concern, theres nothingt wrong with days gone outselling horizon on pc.

 

[Midn1ght]

I never cared about the PC ports but I don't think they'd ever do it day one. Look at what Rockstar does,console version first then PC. They know people will double dip.

That's assuming every Sony game will sell 20+ million in their first years which is not guaranteed, specially with them selling less consoles than before due to ship shortage.

Look a Ratchet Rift Apart: Fantastic game, universally acclaimed, gorgeous looking from a great team, etc... PS5 Only.
As of June 2021, it sold 1.1 million copies. Even if they are between 2 and 3 million now, I think the idea of releasing day and date or 6 months later on PC will increasingly become necessary if they want to make the most money possible from every game.

Returnal sold 560.000 copies as of June 2021. I don't think this game is a system seller but it sure as hell deserved a bigger audience and sale number. I'm sure it will do well if it ever comes to PC but how much more could they have make if it was released simultaneously on PC? I think Sony will ask themself that question and test the idea at some point.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Can't wait to see some of these new sony games get released day and date on PS5 & PC and sony try to get $70 from both...

My bet is the PC is cheaper

 

[Three]

A 30k review game (Days Gone) outselling a 70k review game (Horizon) is highly improbable. That's why I'm also skeptical about GoW outselling FH5.

Lol, mate, I told you before that racing games in general don't do huge numbers. You just laughed at me. There is absolutely no reason to be skeptical that God of War outsold Forza Horizon 5.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Lol, mate, I told you before that racing games in general don't do huge numbers.

Gran Turismo is Playstation's biggest franchise. Forza is becoming or maybe already is Xbox's biggest franchise. Idk about that.

 

[Three]

Gran Turismo is Playstation's biggest franchise. Forza is becoming or maybe already is Xbox's biggest franchise. Idk about that.

Gran Turismo has had 15M players. God of War sold near 20M copies. How is GT their biggest franchise?

Edit: Oh I see what you're doing. You're going back to the 90s.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Steam takes a lower percentage of the revenue as the game hits certain sales targets:

Good to know, thank you

 

[prinz_valium]

Steamspy isn't good at all anymore.
Better use Steamdb

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Gran Turismo is Playstation's biggest franchise. Forza is becoming or maybe already is Xbox's biggest franchise. Idk about that.

Gran Turismo is no longer Sony's biggest franchise. The only way you can come up with this is through historic performance.

If you look at performance from the last 5-10 years, many other franchises have surpassed Gran Turismo.

 

[Papacheeks]

short term revenue, sure.....but what you can't tell just yet, and is not as easy to measure, is whether this will affect people's decision on buying PlayStation hardware in the future

Short terms revenue is now close to $100,000,000 for being out less than a month?

You don't think this game will continue to sell on steam? Remember steam summer/winter sales are huge this game will chart and be in top sold for some time throughout it's run. SHort term revenue?

You are fucking clueless.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Gran Turismo is no longer Sony's biggest franchise. The only way you can come up with this is through historic performance.

If you look at performance from the last 5-10 years, many other franchises have surpassed Gran Turismo.

Tbf, GTS was basically the worst Gran Turismo ever, at least at release. We'll see how GT7 goes, I have high hopes.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Nah it’s the other way.

These impressive numbers ensure it is fine releasing several years after release while not affecting console hardware sales.

Also this encourages double dippers.

You guys love to "wish" the PC doesn't get day and date PS exclusives. It's written all over your texts. For the umteinth time, they didn't intentionally wait years to release these ports to PC. The decision to port to PC was *RECENT* and that is why there was a delay. In the future, day and date will be a reality whether you guys like it or not.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Tbf, GTS was basically the worst Gran Turismo ever, at least at release. We'll see how GT7 goes, I have high hopes.

And GT6 didn't perform well either.

I think GT7 could be a return to form, but we'll have to see. It comes out in less than a month and we haven't had much if anything in the sense of hands-on previews...

 

[Shmunter]

You guys love to "wish" the PC doesn't get day and date PS exclusives. It's written all over your texts. For the umteinth time, they didn't intentionally wait years to release these ports to PC. The decision to port to PC was *RECENT* and that is why there was a delay. In the future, day and date will be a reality whether you guys like it or not.

Why not release titles currently in active development instead of digging up the graves and spending time on 4 yo titles?

 

[Sentenza]

Why not release titles currently in active development instead of digging up the graves and spending time on 4 yo titles?

Because it will be a gradual process.
They are getting people used to it (and they are establishing a stable pipeline for themselves after the first timid attempts, anyway), but it will ramp up quickly at some point.
Especially since they'll realize that day-and-date ports will pay off way more than late ones years down the line.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Kratos is a global figure in gaming, the most epic one in that regard so don't bring that plumber into the convo.

 

[Shmunter]

Because it will be a gradual process.
They are getting people used to it (and they are establishing a stable pipeline for themselves after the first timid attempts, anyway), but it will ramp up quickly at some point.
Especially since they'll realize that day-and-date ports will pay off way more than late ones years down the line.

Have you confirmed this philosophy with Jim?

 

[Superwave]

huh, imagine this game release day 1 on PC, i think the sales would be even higher.

Or lower. More likely.