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Gran Turismo 5 Prologue The Official Thread of Glorious Cockpit View
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MickeyKnox
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No way in hell is that even a remote possibility.Udde said:Damn! Buildings' shadows look almost realtime in the HD videos. Could it be posible that PD is considering daytime change in realtime???? Even if it's minimal... ideal for long races... Believe!
SolidSnakex
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MickeyKnox said:
Why not? From the start that's one of the things Kaz said he wanted to do with GT5. The other being real time weather changing.
Well tearing and frame drops says otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to bitch about such stuff (I found the GT5P problems very minor based on the demo I've played), but it's pretty obvious they need to optimize the engine more before they can even think about other stuff. As of now, my conclusion is the game is taxing.
Yoboman
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Not being completely optimised is not the same as fully tapping the system. You have games that look like they belong on PS2 with framerate problems as wellBeeDog said:Well tearing and frame drops says otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to bitch about such stuff (I found the GT5P problems very minor based on the demo I've played), but it's pretty obvious they need to optimize the engine more before they can even think about other stuff. As of now, my conclusion is the game is taxing.
dankir said:
What? Do like any insane no-life GAFfer often does: check my post history (I don't like Forza 2). Also, I clearly said I played the demo; I've heard Prologue is a bit better in that sense, but there are still some minor issues.
Yoboman: Of course I know that. But I was basing my assumption on that Polyphony are programming gods when it comes to the Playstation 1/2/3 hardware, and since there are minor visual artifacts in Prologue, I'd expect them to have (almost) hit a wall with how many additions they can stuff in. Then again, I don't really know how big the leap was between GT3/4 Prologue and the final games in terms of graphics etc. But as said, assumptions.
AlphaSnake
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BeeDog said:Well tearing and frame drops says otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to bitch about such stuff (I found the GT5P problems very minor based on the demo I've played), but it's pretty obvious they need to optimize the engine more before they can even think about other stuff. As of now, my conclusion is the game is taxing.
Exactly. Optimization and struggle are two different things. Optimizing takes some time, it's pretty much just bug fixing, which is time consuming - it has nothing to do with the system's ability to render or not render something.
MickeyKnox
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Beyond the absolutely unmatched models, a big part of GT5's visuals is it's lighting, and there is no way in hell they can pull of dynamic lighting and retain that level of visual fidelity.SolidSnakex said:
Ranger X said:
I have seen a few minor instances of slowdown but it's not as bad as the predictable few might lead you to believe.
Like many have pointed out before, there's a couple of things you may want to consider before reaching a final decision about an unfinished product.
1.)It's not finished
2.)It's PD, bitches
natureman3
Banned
the new trailer i've seen on gamersyde is kinf of godly. Is it also real-time or pre-rendered ? especially the section inside London.
Big Nate said:
Answer to your question is yes. However you must not spend any longer than 2 corners in close proximity behind any car.
At Suzuka slipstreaming isn't necessary. Suzuka lap time is dependent on sector one (not the T1 GT5 shows you, F1 S1 which finishes at the corner before the hairpin: Degner II)
Turn One, Esses, Dunlop, Degner I and Degner II. Keep your rhythm. The Esses are in 4 parts: First is easy flat (with a comfort lift if you want), second is dab of the brake to settle the car and again flat, third is same again, fourth is slightly stronger braking and then hug the inside and open the throttle to exit flat but don't hit the outside kerb, keep it tight for Dunlop coming up. For Dunlop lift off the throttle to shift the car into the corner and then flat before the entry to the second apex. Degner I, brake at the last marker board lightly and then turn in early, cut as much as you can. Degner II, brake after the exit kerbing from Degner I finishes and again turn in early and apply throttle early.
S2 is really about Spoon (the long double apex corner) and 130R (the corner before the final chicane).
You're maybe having trouble with the lower-powered car vs. what you did in Forza. Driving style really needs to adapt to make these lightweight cars keep speed. Their natural tendency to understeer makes people think they are going flat out but are in fact haemorrhaging speed. Example of this is the Suzuki Liana on the Top Gear test track when celebrities compete.
SolidSnakex
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MickeyKnox said:
But hasn't GT5's development really been "Polyphony can't do this" and then they do it? Sure it seems like a big task, but it doesn't mean they can't do it.
natureman3 said:
Polyphony hasn't used any CG for GT5.
Valkyr Junkie
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avaya said:
Yea, the tendency for those cars to push is painful on the sports tires you are required to use in trials. The two C class time trials are the only events I haven't gotten gold on yet out of classes B & C.
SeaOfMadness
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nofi said:
as opposed to half? seriously what does "full" mean? 16 cars on track like promised? tons of options? i have a sinking feeling they put too much effort into the presentation and just added on multiplayer because it's now cost of entry in this genre.
are there more details about the online multiplayer component anywhere? isn't it supposed to come out soon?
SeaOfMadness
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belvedere said:
excuse me? the "unfinished product" argument does not fly anymore. when you're paying $30-40, calling it an unfinished product just makes the people who paid for it angry. if it's unfinished, why isn't it free?
sure other finished games have slowdown as well and people have every right to complain.
SolidSnakex
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SeaOfMadness said:
You haven't been following the game that much have you? The entire point of releasing the GT4 Online beta was for them to get feedback from fans of what they liked and what they wanted added so they could apply it to GT5. From the start of development online play has been a big focus for GT5. It isn't some tacked on feature because its now a feature that all racing games have.
PjotrStroganov
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Yoboman said:
And otherwise they just don't add it. Don't be disappointed if damage isn't in the way you'd expect it.
I'm sorry if I'm asking something that has clearly been noted several times before, but:
What is actually in this Prologue? What can you do, what options are available etc.?
I would really like this to be clarified so I know if I should buy the game now (either online or via Yesasia), or wait for the localized version.
What is actually in this Prologue? What can you do, what options are available etc.?
I would really like this to be clarified so I know if I should buy the game now (either online or via Yesasia), or wait for the localized version.
SeaOfMadness
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nofi said:
i want it to be what people are hyping it to be. but all i hear is "the details, the lighting, the shadows, the cars"... all graphics.
it's fucking gorgeous. i get it.
but it's a *racing* game. why don't i hear anyone praising the AI, or the online multiplayer (i know it's not playable yet), or the other features? the physics and AI just seem on par (at best) with forza 2. but those are way more important to me than graphics.
i've played gt5p and watched friends play it as well. right now, it's beautiful, but i can't say it's more fun just because it looks so good. i enjoy multiplayer more so that's really the part i'm eager to get my hands on. i want to like this game, but that doesn't mean i will.
actually i think i really want the final gt5. that's where all the cool features seem to be lurking (auctions, spectator, photos, etc...)
SeaOfMadness said:
So you've honestly convinced yourself that there won't be a single improvement (technical or not) in GT5, simply because you paid for it? GT5
rologue is just fucking that, an early glimpse at what to expect from GT5 when it's released and it just so happens to be OPTIONAL, for those of us who chose to play it early. You're trying way too hard.
SeaOfMadness
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SolidSnakex said:
yes i know. i've read all about that. but saying it and doing it are two different things. i will trust them for now.
but i just realized something. this game is supposed to be out only for japan, but a lot of us have been getting it in the us and uk via "other" means. but if most people playing it online will be from japan, i'm not sure the experience will be that great playing so many people from japan with me being in the us. and with 16 cars.. i guess we'll see soon enough
SolidSnakex
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SeaOfMadness said:
If you read the posts of people who have it they're praising other aspects of it. Most people in this thread though don't have it yet, rather it be because they're waiting for the final version, US version or just waiting for their import version, so they can only really comment on the graphics.
Graphics are a big part of the racing genre though which is why its such a big focus for people. If you're trying to make a game that plays realistically, then people will want a racer that looks realistic.
SeaOfMadness
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belvedere said:So you've honestly convinced yourself that there won't be a single improvement (technical or not) in GT5, simply because you paid for it? GT5
You're trying way too hard.
i never said there weren't improvements. i'm not saying gt5p isn't worth paying for. $35 for it is not a bad price. i'm just saying stop calling it "unfinished" because that implies it's "unpolished". they are 2 different things.
when there is slowdown in a racing game, that's unpolished. it's not like it will get fixed in the upcoming weeks before it releases. it's already out. gt5p is finished. gt5 is not finished.
Udde
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natureman3 said:
The eternal question
. PD almost always uses in-game assets, lighting, and everything, but adds an extra perfect AA to make it look outofthisworld in the FMV intros.BeeDog said:
Yeah, I get your point, but remeber, things are impossible until someone does them. Remeber the "imposible to have 16 cars with this detail" when GTHD came out? I find it extremely hard to do too, but PD can surprise us again, I have no doubt about that.
jeremy_ricci
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BeeDog said:Well tearing and frame drops says otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to bitch about such stuff (I found the GT5P problems very minor based on the demo I've played), but it's pretty obvious they need to optimize the engine more before they can even think about other stuff. As of now, my conclusion is the game is taxing.
I suppose you could also say that **** and *****, as well as Orange Box, Madden 2008, or many other games with visual issues are taxing the PS3?
:lol