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Gran Turismo 6 sold 5 million copies
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Audioboxer
Member
DC was excellent.... after it was patched.
That is on the studio, but many are salty at the irony of GT being the master of broken launches that require 23 patches totalling 20GB.
Sure PD have bought more time/empathy/faith with Sony given their legacy, but it's probably more disappointing a studio of this prestige and legacy still puts out titles that require a colossal amount of patches to resemble something that should be on the disc day 1.
SolidSnakex
Member
I looked through several GTS menu videos and for whatever reason they never go into the control menu. So i'm not sure what the classic setup looks like. But GT tends to give you the ability to fully customize your controls, so even if it's not one of the default schemes you should still be able to use it.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I don't see how Sony sacrificing other studios for PD .
Those studios made games that did not sell for years .
Sony don't really put more money into GT compare to there other big IPs .
Maybe Kaz don't want a huge studio so things will not change until GT really bombs .
I was actually meaning DriveClub was supposed to launch with the PS4, so there wasn't a racing void. But then it didn't, and only NFS Rivals was around. Launching GT around the same time as DC would've been bad. Now we know DC wouldn't make it and GT6 in the empty opening six months would have killed.
I also think DriveClub is the worst racing game I've ever played, post-patch, but that's meaningless to sales.
Audioboxer
Member
I doubt Wipeout or Motorstorm cost a lot to make. Although sales were lukewarm I'd still have expected them to make money.
Shuhei is on record about saying Sony are okay as it is with some studios making games that don't light the world on fire (or even make small loses) to have a diverse portfolio as other stuff (God of War/Uncharted) makes up for it.
They've pretty much castrated their diversity in racing to only GT. That is more my point about sacrificing.
Well I'd agree it's not a driving simulator, but arcadey, and more so it's annoying for some because Sony have gotten rid of the full on fantasy arcade racer (Wipeout), the heavily arcade (Motorstorm) and now the 50/50 (Driveclub). As I said above leaving us only with GT and at the mercy of Kaz if we are still a SP gamer first.
To be fair, how many publishers have more than one tent pole franchise per genre? Not many, and especially not in the racing genre which is drying up (it tends to be very broad genres that can appeal to several different markets at once - eg cod and destiny, fallout and elder scrolls)
SolidSnakex
Member
They aren't being sacrificed for GT. The reality is that the racing genre is in a major rut right now. The only ones really selling are those from popular established brands. We saw the beginnings of that last generation with the closures of Black Rock and Bizarre, two very high quality racing game studios. We also see that in just how few racing games are being made now. It's just a really rough point in the genre at the moment.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Even GT Prologue felt more polished than GT5 especially GFX wise.
Audioboxer
Member
The sad thing is I cannot argue against these points, just remain salty.
Companies take opportunity cost into account, not just profitability.
This thread where a phony 2.37 million sales number for GT6 was assumed to be accurate is funny to look back on.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1106330
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1106330
Source was Chartz, lol.
IISANDERII
Member
There are people who don't do this?? I thought it was standard since GT2
That's how I played GT1, but it means you can't use both accelerate and brake at the same time.
Blueingreen
Member
Driveclub was supposed to be a launch title if I'm wrong, I just don't think Sony..
A) Expected Driveclub to be delayed...twice
B) Expected PS3 sales to tank immediately after the PS4 launch
C) Expected PS4 to sell as well as it did during launch.
Those are the only reasons why I can think of for GT6's abysmal release.
they should have just put the game on both platforms, shown the graphical differences between the ps3 and ps4 in order to make money off both.
TheAdmiester
Member
Not a plant at all. I used to love GT, technically still do in a way as I still play GT4 on an emulator, but the last two games have been terrible. GT5 wasn't as bad at the time because I was looking forward to it and just needed a GT fix, but that's about it.
Nice accusations there but there isn't a single lie in my post.
Please do tell where this supposed ignorance is.
Ryu Hayabusa
Member
Amazing GT5P outsold GT6
TylerDurden4321
Member
John said that the physics "reminded" him of Assetto Corsa and I think what he really meant was what he could feel of the physics from the way the force feedback was translated.
The way the rear stepped out, sending the car spinning 20-30° and still let the pro players catch the car without losing even 2 tenth of a second let the physics look pretty bad in the public E3 build (and all previous builds), so hearing John say that about the back then newest build really is a very good thing. AC probably has the most natural feeling physics once you stepped over the limit and lost control for a few milliseconds.
For me, having the suspension and tires feel natural through FFB under all conditions is indeed the most important physics aspect, but for the game PD is making, the damage and ramming physics will be extremely important too, so in MP other players won't use the side of your car as their brakes to gain an unfair advantage - especially if what PD said stays true and it will always be both players involved in an accident that will be punished by the "officials" (which I still can't believe, Kaz must have misunderstood that question).
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that John from Inside Sim Racing was only talking about what he could feel of the physics in that demo. That's not saying anything about drag vs. downforce, body rigidity and inertia, tire heat and pressure build-up /-deformation, tire wear, modeling of gearbox + driveline parts and electronic aid systems... and another million things affecting car physics in a racing scenario where PD needs to play catch-up if they want to be taken seriously with their - I have do admit, pretty cool - FIA partnership acquisition.
SolidSnakex
Member
Saying they've made no effort to improve the physics as they've gone on because they only care about visuals isn't an opinion, it's a flatout lie. You may not like their physics engine, but they're continually praised and improve quite a bit game after game.
This is the new control scheme
No free chase cam confirmed.
TheAdmiester
Member
That IS an opinion. I feel absolutely no difference between GT5 and 6 despite all the hype (that even I bought into) about their amazing new tyre and suspension model. When I'm playing the game I still can't even feel suspension bounce on a floppier car, I can't feel any torque steer in an FWD car (although I'm unsure as to whether any game does that), oversteer corrections still become way too grippy and spin you out the opposite way, and the way cars react in collisions is just laughable. As far as I'm aware, the tyres still don't even deform but I could be wrong on that. The game just doesn't feel responsive at all.
Sadly I did not.
Little Monser
Banned
TylerDurden4321
Member
Ok, my 2 cents:This is the new control scheme
- upshift on the lower button and downshift on the higher button is counter-intuitive. I know that's how it is with a sequential shifter, but there it directly feels natural to "pull" a lever to go "faster"/gear-up, that's not the case on a controller.
- No clutch button isn't great if they include offroad/rallying, you need to rev up the engine with the clutch engaged to overpower the rear and unsettle the car to do a hairpin turn, especially in old rally cars that don't have /can't have /shouldn't have a handbrake.
- most of all though: this will be online focused and there is no "glance left/right" on the standard controls, but every player will have an important safety rating?!??
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
I'll be honest here and say that I bought Gran Turismo 6 on day 1 and never played it. I have completely forgotten I own the game. I know for some, this is not unusual. However, this is Gran Turismo we are talking about here.
Might boot it up this weekend to see how it measures against 5.
Also, I agree with some people. This should've been on PS4 as well with some minor graphical improvements. It would've sold more copies.
Might boot it up this weekend to see how it measures against 5.
Also, I agree with some people. This should've been on PS4 as well with some minor graphical improvements. It would've sold more copies.
Disconnect from internet before or be prepared for update bonanza.
Ravage_Hydra
Member
A feature i been hoping for since GT5, Sad to see not even on the ps4
Give War A Chance
Member
Based on the next-to-nothing I heard about this game, and the fact that it shipped SUPER late in the game, and wasn't cross-gen... 5 million actually sounds really impressive, ha.
If they actually market this new one, it should certainly give the franchise enough to push past 80m, and this installment likely will pass GT6.
5 million huh? Wow... Crazy.
If they actually market this new one, it should certainly give the franchise enough to push past 80m, and this installment likely will pass GT6.
5 million huh? Wow... Crazy.
funkystudent
Member
Omnistalgic
Member
i don't think you will be waiting for GT7 man, Kaz basically said they will keep updating GTS, so expect more cars/tracks/features for the rest of the gen. And I also expect more events that likely cater to a more casual audience. Just wait untill the game comes out though. The career mode is still there, the game teaches you how to drive, you earn liscenses, do trials and challenges, it's just the earning medals part seems to take place against racing against actual people. You may like it who knows. I just don't think everyone should be writing off the SP experience as nonexistent when they haven't tried it yet.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
GT Sport won't even outsell DRIVECLUB. The future of GT and motorsport is bleak with this online microtransaction fest.
Omnistalgic
Member
Puppeteer just wasn't that good though? I don't think it would have sold a ton more copies even at launch. But yeah, missed opportunity in general as it would have certainly sold more than what it did. I just don't think it was a great game that was just overlooked.
Demon's Souls was overlooked. And then everyone kept talking about it. And then it rode the wave of good word of mouth and wasn't overlooked anymore. Great games find a way to shine. Puppeteer is just ok
i think there was a time when play-asia was giving away this game for free if you'd order something worth 20USD.
im impressed that this game sold even 5 million.
they stealth released this game during a time, it could not have been worse:
-transition to next-gen
-tons of other games
-no marketing
-no one actually even had this game on their radars
-some of the promised features werent included aka gran turismo 5 beta part 2
right now forza 6+drive club is all what i need. iam not sure if GT can deliver anymore. gt5 was a mixed bag for me. worst menu in the last gen, tons of worthless patches and updates. i bought the XL version which felt like the real final release of GT5.
hope PP will get their shit together for the next game.
im impressed that this game sold even 5 million.
they stealth released this game during a time, it could not have been worse:
-transition to next-gen
-tons of other games
-no marketing
-no one actually even had this game on their radars
-some of the promised features werent included aka gran turismo 5 beta part 2
right now forza 6+drive club is all what i need. iam not sure if GT can deliver anymore. gt5 was a mixed bag for me. worst menu in the last gen, tons of worthless patches and updates. i bought the XL version which felt like the real final release of GT5.
hope PP will get their shit together for the next game.
DarkConfidant
Member
They made the game way too late, and it came out at a spot when GT5 still had a lot of patch content to still play, and the PS4 was also just coming out.
I thought maybe there would be an enhanced PS4 port, but it never came.
It's pretty interesting that 5 million copies of a late-gen game, with 0 marketing, is a disappointment, when it's GT.
I'm sure GT Sport will push more than 5 million.
I thought maybe there would be an enhanced PS4 port, but it never came.
It's pretty interesting that 5 million copies of a late-gen game, with 0 marketing, is a disappointment, when it's GT.
I'm sure GT Sport will push more than 5 million.
And this is what devs get when they support a title after launch. If PD have learned their lesson they will release GTS with a stack of paid day 1 DLC and walk away.
metareferential
Member
5 million is a lot considering when it launched and how.
But as a raw number, for GT, it's much less than it's used to.
But as a raw number, for GT, it's much less than it's used to.
DriftingSpirit
Member
You're saying it won't surpass 2M+?
Shambalakan
Member
5 million isn't amazing for GT, but it's really good for a racing game that came 1,2 weeks after beginning the new generation.
But unfortunately I think GT will lose its popularity in the next years and I don't expect amazing numbers for GTS.
But unfortunately I think GT will lose its popularity in the next years and I don't expect amazing numbers for GTS.
Acquiescence
Member
Now imagine how many copies they would've sold if they released it on the right console.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I expect pretty good numbers. Sony's franchises have been growing and performing well (Infamous, R&C, UC, etc...).
SolidSnakex
Member
It's worth waiting for the updates just so you can get the Sierra Time Trial. Such a great an unexpected addition to the franchise.
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
Well, crap.
I forgot how frequent updates were on GT5. GT6 is going to be the same. Might as well start updating today ahead of the weekend.
They were too lazy to just press the "PS3 -> PS4" button.
Audioboxer
Member
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Yeah, it's not everything or nothing, but you can't deny for GT5 at least (which I owned) a lot of the patching at the start was to fix shit, not support the game. A lot of stuff that really shouldn't be shipping as broke as it did.
And newsflash, PD already introduced MTs to GT5/GT6.
DC was praised for it's meaty season pass content (and additional free), not the fact it needed GBs of patching to fucking work. There is a difference between after launch support and finishing the game after launch because it was released unfinished.
It's not just waiting but failing to install the updates.
There's zero guarantee trying to get a PS4 version out for launch or soon after would have been more profitable than selling 5 million+ copies of GT6 on the PS3 while they work on the first PS4 version.
Blueingreen
Member
But Knack and Killzone Shadowfall are undisputed masterpieces of modern gaming ? especially Shadowfall man what a stinker, and those two games sold extremely well despite reviewing quite poor, Puppeteer would have performed exceptionally better.
Demon's Souls was purposely sent to die, Sony only green lit the project because they needed a WRPG to rival TES: Oblivion which at the time was a console exclusive on the 360, by the time the project began to take form not only was Sony deeply unimpressed with what they saw but Oblivion was already on the PS3, also western gaming tastes were leaning towards brownish grey yolo swag, oohrah shooters.
Miraculously the game reviewed astoundingly well and sold far beyond their expectations, Sony practically treated the game the same way Nintendo treated Devils Third.