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Gran Turismo Sport - Review Thread
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opticalmace
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This thread is going places.
ethomaz
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Ohhhh God.
Metal Gear Rising.
And perfectly true putting a shut up in salty posters.
Or a tennis game. Maybe some sort of party game so his analogy would make sense.
I've been enjoying the game, but I would argue the online aspect has been a real letdown so far. (I am actually enjoying the solo missions far more)
The lack of variety is entirely missing from the ranked series. The entire premise of the game's "sportsmanship" mission is also exclusive to the single mode, so it feels a bit spurious given how limiting and somewhat disrespectful the game is about providing access to building and growing my rank.
Barring that, with no matchmaking for unranked play, the lobby system is a sluggish means of gathering players together that is largely unreliable at getting persons(ie. me) into a race. Hosts will drop after waiting several minutes doing nothing but free laps, player count is often far too low in a majority of rooms. My experience interfacing with that setup has been overall very poor as a delivery mechanism for getting me from main menu to an online race grid in an efficient manner. [Maybe a GAF league will bloom soon to get a reliable rotation?]
Basically for an online-centric driving experience, this needs work to keep me close to engaged.
You know you're desperate when you start acting like GT Sport is a departure from GT like Mario kart is a departure from Mario platformers. So sad.
They named it sport in an attempt to deflect expectations but also have a fallback plan. Kaz himself has said this is GT7 in all but name.
They named it sport in an attempt to deflect expectations but also have a fallback plan. Kaz himself has said this is GT7 in all but name.
Oh, it has Sport in the name. Totally clears that up.
ethomaz
Banned
You are desperate and salty when you thing the name didnt changed.
your analogy would be correct if Trump was objectively BEST EVER president, just different and more modern, more social... like I expected another Clinton, got Obama., happy days.
Not sure how Trump fits there, nobody ever said he is polished, or that excels at playing with others and he definitely does not exude art either.
who said it's name hasn't changed? Nobody. A name change is not enough to get rid of expectations when the basic gameplay systems and genre have not changed. And definitely not enough to magically consider the game exempt from comparisons to other games the genre, which include its predecessors.
No no, "Sport" negates a 20 year legacy.
J_ToSaveTheDay
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It's more of a Forza Horizon esque departure, though in a different focal direction than that. Still in the same conceptual ballpark (driving is the main goal of the game), but not quite in Horizon's bubbly faux music festival open world funhouse. More like, and I guess as literally expressed by the game, "Driving is for everyone (so please feel welcome to drive against everyone)."
... But it is a departure, that much I think everyone can agree on. Whether or not that departure turned out good is up to debate.
It is absolutely not a forza horizon esque departure. The gameplay is the same, the tracks and style of the tracks is the same. Forza was more arcadey and shifted to open world. A big difference from Forza Motorsport.
The only change here is instead of focusing on single player, they're focusing on online. That is not a departure in genre, or even worthy of calling a spinoff.
ethomaz
Banned
PD changed the name of a franchise because they wanted to change the focus and create a new game from the ground not tied with previous games... they are even open with that saying they wants to focus in others things with Sport.
They pretty much perfect accomplish that making a good game.
Salty posters says they hate it because they didnt expect a change in focus.
And my analogies are idiotic lol
They pretty much perfect accomplish that making a good game.
Salty posters says they hate it because they didnt expect a change in focus.
And my analogies are idiotic lol
Yes, we all know what they tried to do. Unfortunately they messed up the messaging and were unable to pull away from the baggage of previous games.
And yes, your analogies were idiotic.
ethomaz
Banned
The franchise name is Gran Turismo, they didn't change that. Not tied with previous games but sure as heck are marketing the hell out of the legacy of gran turismo in promoting this game? How does that work again?
They accomplished at making a console-sim that has a good online component (depending on who you ask) and a lacking offline component (depending on who you ask). If you don't care for offline, it is likely a good game for you. If you care a lot about a deep offline component, chances are you're not going to like it (there are exceptions).
Reviewers are evaluating the game as it is. If the online component isn't hooking them (which can happen, and there are definite annoyances with the whole waiting for a race to start system), the game is going to get mediocre to bad reviews most likely as a result of it lacking in comparison to other games of the same genre in the offline content department.
rokkerkory
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Wow we've gone off the deep end here. Somehow there's a equivilency :/
Do people complain that Forza horizon is not Simulation racer Forza!?
J_ToSaveTheDay
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I think the shift in design and structure is just as big as a shift in fundamental gameplay as Horizon was to Motorsport for the Forza series. I mean, you can choose to perceive that differently if you wish, but I think that's the entire grounds for the debates going on right now -- the very design and structure of GT has been revamped in Sport, regardless of the similarities to the core gameplay, and it results in a radically different experience that some people like and some people don't want.
ethomaz
Banned
Nah there is no reason for the change of the name /s
Already answered why Forza Horizon is not the same situation at this. Read above. Or tldr, it is not in the same genre, and does not have the same gameplay, nor style of environments. GT sport is in the same genre, with the same gameplay, and style of environments.
And to answer your question, there were actually a few people here and there that had an issue with Horizon when it was first shown off. Mainly the sim-purists.
Ascenion
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The Devs for Horizon never said that it was part of the main series though....
Bits N Pieces
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Ooft, lol.
Crayon
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I'm still thinking about the parrallel with sfv and this being more demanding since they are competitive online focused. A lot of people will never be any good and will feel shut out.
Taking that into consideration, that will almost certainly cause a loss of sales and popularity among the existing GT fans.
On the other hand, the new game is not like anything else on previously on console and should be brining in new people as well. People who are maybe have thought of getting a racing rig or checking out iracing but never committed to all that. Gts is a really accessible way into that kind of thing and with the GT branding and quality, a lot of people will try it.
No way around it. It's a big shakeup.
Taking that into consideration, that will almost certainly cause a loss of sales and popularity among the existing GT fans.
On the other hand, the new game is not like anything else on previously on console and should be brining in new people as well. People who are maybe have thought of getting a racing rig or checking out iracing but never committed to all that. Gts is a really accessible way into that kind of thing and with the GT branding and quality, a lot of people will try it.
No way around it. It's a big shakeup.
ethomaz
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It is exactly the same situation... different focus.
Let me get another example then, do people complain that FF14 is an mmo, and yes it's similar situation a developer doesn't have to change the whole game name and throw out the brand name they built all those years just because they want to try a different approach, they changed the secondary name to Sport and that's more than enough to differentiate between it and the main numbered series.
A different style of gameplay + different style of environemtns is not even close to the equivalent of "the game is now online focused"
Clear as mud. And again with the stupid analogies.
Yes kaz mentioned moving in a new direction, however stayed mum on what was being removed. Problem is the Gran Turismo name is powerful and for the past 20 years has set certain expectations. Adding "Sport" to the name isn't going to change that. Really not that hard to understand and doesn't warrant those ridiculous analogies. Game may be spectacular but the GT name carries baggage.
ethomaz
Banned
Now I understood... you have no ideia what (and maybe never played) GTS is.
Uh yes. It was a very very very common complaint. There's lots of people that don't consider FF11 and FF14 real Final Fantasy.
And even then, the mmo aspects do change up overall gameplay (multiplayer in a final fantasy is a big departure) and the world size and what you can do in that world. GT Sport however, does not. The gameplay and environments are the same style.
What I understand is you have no idea what Forza Horizon is. I played the beta last week extensively. And played the beta in the summer before that. I know exactly what GT Sport is.
Different focus by a completely different team. This is the next GT game created by the same team.
I'm not saying I didn't understand what GTS was supposed to be, or that it isn't a good game (I'm still waiting for Amazon to ship my copy), but their messaging for the game has been terrible.
Actually, many people complained about the MMO titles in Final Fantasy. Not anymore since they're old now, but yeah.
Just like many people complained about Kotor 3 being turned into SWTOR (and still do, since we never actually got a new single player kotor game).
Don't consider GT sport a main GT game and look at it as different game, you answered that yourself an online focused game is totally different from the single player one.
ethomaz
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At least I know more about Forza Horizon than somebody that things that changes only exists if gameplay and environment are differents lol
Sport is a new direction from the Gran Turismo.
Kaz considers it "7"
It's developed by Playground, not turn 10. We still get mainline Forza games every year. These comparisons are terrible.
I met many people who don't know the difference between Forza Motorsports and Forza horizon, heck my roommate bought F7 last week then he was very disappointed when the game was different.
Bits N Pieces
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I haven't followed this games development that closely, so I just searched 'is GTS GT7 Kaz' and this is the first thing that popped up.
http://www.motorworldhype.com/2016/...-and-no-according-to-kazunori-yamauchi-video/
It's the first question he answers.
http://www.motorworldhype.com/2016/...-and-no-according-to-kazunori-yamauchi-video/
It's the first question he answers.
I'm looking at it as its own game, the online doesn't hook me and the SP is not satisfying with what they've put in the game (from what I played in the beta, all of which I got gold in except for the rally events). I can also choose to compare it to other games in the same genre.
Fact of the matter is, this game would be a lot more appealing to me if it offered a career mode and progression of the past, without it, and the online mode not getting its hooks in me, this game to me is something with terrific gameplay wrapped in a poor content offering. Much like Street Fighter V was at launch.
I compare other sim-racers to previous GT games as well, it isn't exclusive to GT Sport.
seattle6418
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For the love of God, this isn´t a spin off, this is GT7. Give it up people, this is a full game.
The terrible timing of GT6 is what put them in this situation of not having content at all. Remember tesselation and the premium-premium models of GT6? Everything started from scratch once again for GTS, which is why not counting duplicates and fantasy versions of the same car, they only have 100 or so premium-premium-future proof models this time.
GT6 set them back four years.
It´s sad, but it´s a fact. The shortcomings now are just a consequence of this decision.
The "this is a serious online game" thing is just a big mess up and only helps to confuse this. You can´t talk about reality when you have only about two dozen FIA homologated cars and less than 10 FIA homologated tracks, not to mention even in the homologated cars you manage to include wrong gear ratios or tires, options that don´t exist in real life in detriment to options that are available but omitted in the sim.
Real online serious racing in a game that doesn´t simulate tire pressures? Or simulates in a pre baked way or one size fits all for all cars?
They should never, ever advertise this as something that it isn´t.
Confusion in some reviews is only because of this.
There was no need to reinvent the wheel, you could have copied Toce Race Driver´s career mode, used the 500 premiuns from PS3 era in 4k, and used matchmaking from GT5 Prologue, shuffle races from GT5 and the only new feature could be the safety rating system.
This would be a game love by the casuals, appreciated by anyone who has loved cars and/or the series and it would review very well with loads of content and a revamped career mode.
Instead, they set their sights on something they had no clue how to achieve (hardcore simulation for 0,01% of the fan base, the GT Academy guys) and in the process just hoped that everybody else would just follow suit and try to become a hardcore racer in a softcore platform.
It´s like they saw Arnoud Lacombe, Takeuchi, Wolfgang Reip, Nick Mcmillen and a bunch of others playing Assetto Corsa and other sims and decided to go after them.
No wonder the mixed reception.
PuppetMaster
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I do find it interesting that the single player part of GT Sport, particularly the arcade mode, really has about the same depth as Mario Kart 7 & 8. But few seemed to complain about the MK games. Reviewer loved them.
MK8 had even less sense of progression for me because everything is unlocked from the start. Except the car parts.
Splash Wave
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In all honesty, it feels like the game's online focus was built to compensate for the game's lack of content--not that this what they set out to make to begin with. I don't know why everyone is acting like it comes down to not expecting/wanting a change in focus--its online functionality is still extremely problematic.
Absoludacrous
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I think the main reason the Horizon comparison rings hollow is release timing. Forza could afford to spin the game off and not alienate anyone, because even if fans were turned off by what Horizon was doing, the next mainline game was around the corner.
GT games are MUCH further apart, and the next mainline game is certainly years away, if it even comes this generation. So there's little to no hope for people left behind by what Sport is doing.
GT games are MUCH further apart, and the next mainline game is certainly years away, if it even comes this generation. So there's little to no hope for people left behind by what Sport is doing.
Ya and FF developers consider MMO FF games main FF games. What difference does that make? It's still a different game with different focus. Also Kaz would be too stupid to not call this game GT7 when that name would probably sell way more copies than GTS name if he consider them the same, what kaz meant is this game is not not a prologue but a full GT game and the word sport means it focus or Sport mode.