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GT Sport - Nürburgring race in spectator mode
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runnin_blue
Banned
I was asking whether damage modelling and collision detection has been implemented in GT series yet. Going by that video, it doesn't look like it.
Ho come on now. Real damages can fix that. Just like IRL actually.
GT is not the only car game in the world is it?
AstroNut325
Member
Looked great to me. Just the flickering fence and crash/off-track physics bug me.
Damage was in GT5, never played GT6 so honestly not sure if that had it too and it's in the internal build of GTS, just not shown yet.
ITT: People who don't know how spectator/replay positional data transfer rate and interpolation is handled are emberassing themselves. I suggest looking at online replays in FM6, GT6, PCars or Assetto Corsa and focus on the interaction of the cars that didn't involve the host/player. A frame-perfect representation of all the positions and most collisions would require everyone to have a maximum of 8ms (16ms RTT) delay to the server/host. Everything else is interpolated and predicted data that is corrected at a much lower frequency. This leads to the unnatural movements we see in the spectator mode footage. It can be improved by using much better prediction but it will never be a 1:1 representation of the ingame physics.
Pretty sure I'll still be getting it, but visually that video still shows some issues. Not sure if the flickering fence is caused by youtube compression, but there are also some LOD problems, rough shadows, and the lack of particle effects when the car spins through the dirt (I'm bothered by that the most tbh).
runnin_blue
Banned
Ok, thanks. I thought it was a bit weird not being there.
Nothing wrong with that as long as it is not painted with the annoying hyperbole I see in every GT thread lately. Every attempt at a somewhat constructive discussion about the spectator mode and the online focus got derailed by shitposting. Jumping to conclusions about the physics or car handling from online spectator footage is pointless and embarrassing.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
ITT: People have never watched online races in spectator mode
test_account
XP-39C²
Regarding bumper cars, how is collision handled in other racing sims/games online in similar situations?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I can't get over how this has FIA license and is "official", with those pinball looking races.
I mean, personally I don't care I'm not an expert sim player so the middle of the road approach in GT was enough for me, but this should be much better for an official sanctioned FIA game.
I mean, personally I don't care I'm not an expert sim player so the middle of the road approach in GT was enough for me, but this should be much better for an official sanctioned FIA game.
Fancy Clown
Member
Think I'll stick with Driveclub for my racing fix. 60fps is real nice tho
Bad compared to what that's the question. You've missed the point of that post. Spectator mode in most games look like this.
That's not at all what am implying, so I suggest you not go there.
I am wondering why PD insists on showing an incomplete and buggy game. It goes against the quality that they are held to and it makes them look foolish.
Developers should show their games when they feel is right, but they also need to make sure that the builds that they show are consistently getting better to reassure to the fans that it's not the final product.
From what I've seen, this game is getting better, but I don't think it's going to get all that better. If I'm wrong, I'll admittedly be such.
They're making promises and gurantees, so they should live to that.
We shouldn't give too much credit to the whole FIA approved thing... it's just a marketing decision: the fastest way for PD to get "Race credibility" (even though their game is far from ready for competitive play)...and for FIA, this was just a way of touching a younger and different audience) It's a win-win fot both PD and FIA.
For us ? It's just PR bullshit (does anyone think that FIA could tell Kaz: "look man, your game collisions is crap: you need to rework it or you won't get FIA approval...") AFAIK the whole FIA approval in video games did not even exist. They made it up...so it doesn't mean shit.
Normally, it should be a standard (rules and regulations) that any racing game could submit to, not something between only 2 commercial partners.
Hell, we still have no idea what this partnership REALLY implies. (except the virtual licence that nobody knows what it will provide you IRL)
(now, if I am wrong and the FIA approval already existed in video games...then I ll just look stupid... which would not be the first time...)
What is collision detection? Of course there is collision detection. Man reading this thread then watching the video I'm at a loss as to what is happening. What exactly do you think collision detection is?
And those saying that was bumper cars. That was a damn clean race. Have some people here even played a racing game online?
NullPointer
Member
I take this as guaranteed.
Thanks for drilling down into the nitty-gritty behind spectator modes and replays, but wouldn't a race like this play out over a LAN?
Coulomb_Barrier
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Looks rather shite graphically. Hope this is very unfinished.
Jarod McChicken
Member
GT Sport finally show up on amazon.jp top spot after this japanese event. It was nowhere to be seen after the london one.
Doubt it what do people except to change? but I'm really not sure what people are comparing this to graphically, I could only imagine driveclub, because it really isn't that rough looking. That shadow cascade though.
I mean just look at Project cars replays and compare
https://youtu.be/3TTL7lt7GM8
Unless PD went and made up fake menu content and fake disconnect messages for the event builds, these builds have been online and connected to their servers. This would also make sense since their main focus seems to be multiplayer this time so getting more data as early as possible seems reasonable.
If the lag compensation and prediction frequency is set to fixed intervals or thresholds, you won't see much improvement going from (good) online to LAN connections. I personally don't think they would code two fundamentally different versions and only test the seperate high precision LAN version that will see no use outside of events. We don't know for sure but personally I think they are testing the online features with as close as possible to everyday conditions for the retail version. PD have a LOT of catching up to do in that field anyway.
Heh, I was about to post a similar iRacing video. It is really good as long as you stay withing the server ping limits. One little lag spike and cars start flying around and will magically reappear or you will get spun out without contact.
Assetto Corsa is £30 to pre-order (price guaranteed) on Amazon in the UK. Amazing price considering the console version is supposed to include everything that's been added to the PC game all this time. I'm buying that and seeing how it plays. Hands on says it handles well on a controller which is important to me, Project Cars completely fails on this point and GT is the only other PS4 racer that does it well too but they're doing their best to put me off it.
Throwaway123456789
Member
The last quote makes absolutely no sense. That's not how replays work at all.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Because the final game, probably, won't look much better.
The game is less than 6 months from release.
Vol5
Member
Sure was.
Of course it won't: you can't drastically upgrade the graphics and optimise your engine at the same time. Not in 6 months.
the same people who say "they still have months to finish the game" will be the ones saying "gorgeous!!!" in 6 months, even though the game will look exactly the same as today. We had the same shit with GT5 and 6 framerates...
And don't get me started on the sounds. We are at a point with PD where the sounds dont even need to be good... as long as they change them, people will be happy. "See!! PD listened!!"
What....
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I guess.
The Nürburgring is a demanding track for developers to recreate.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I know right. How many of you have actually played GT?
It's a half cooked product, far from ready, that they are going to sell us at a full game price.
This is what Kaz means when he says "we could have called it GT7"... Trying to convince us that it's a full package when features wise and technically wise, it's just a fraction of what GT7 would be.
Kaz kept saying they would do on PS4 what they could not achieve on PS3, the full package, blablabla... are we supposed to believe that THIS was his "vision" from the start?
The Gt community needs to open their eyes on what s going on with Kaz... Seabass almost killed PES, and now Kaz is doint the same with GT.
Time for a change.
Looked terrible. Cars jerking all over the place, poor collisions, no skid marks / visual reaction to going off road...
No thanks.
Good race though. Shame about the last corner.
Almost? As far as I'm concerned there's no 'almost' about it. Same kind of excuses made by fanboys year after year for that guy, too.
No thanks.
Good race though. Shame about the last corner.
Almost? As far as I'm concerned there's no 'almost' about it. Same kind of excuses made by fanboys year after year for that guy, too.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
I see the bumper car physics are not quite working.
Quixz
Member
Shouldn't be. Projectcars on the current PS4 looks great and that's from a thrid party developer.