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GTAIV episodic content officially now Xbox 360 exclusive thx to SCAT MONEY
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
could you easily share the halo 2 mappack discs and the XBLA unplugged disc?
MS has a whole call center for validating MS products without internet access. while i'm certain they'd much prefer people to download it, i can still totally see them making it available on disc and having someone call in their number to get an official unlock code, if they're not connected to the internet to have it done.
Beer Monkey
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soco said:
1) Yes.
2) No, the disc had to be in the drive to play, but that's easy to do with a standalone disc. You can't piss off your customers by making them validate both discs every time you play.
UntoldDreams
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I wonder... If between the two versions... Which one will really play better?
I'm pretty sure Rockstar is probably going to try to make both versions AAA given the budget of the franchise.
That means we may get a nice head to head honest to bones AAA developer comparison saying "This is the best we could do on platform XXX at this time."
It might get ugly around here...
I'm pretty sure Rockstar is probably going to try to make both versions AAA given the budget of the franchise.
That means we may get a nice head to head honest to bones AAA developer comparison saying "This is the best we could do on platform XXX at this time."
It might get ugly around here...
speculawyer
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Scat money? Is that like poop money?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6753727&postcount=248speculawyer said:
HomerSimpson-Man
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I came in here because that thread title intrigued me.
squicken said:
What tears? I think a lot of people are making a big deal out of the downloaded content. I mean is that we do not even know what this content is, and if it will actually be something that we wait. It could be a some elaborate fetch mission that turns out to be a big waste of time. This is GTA, so we can assume that it might deal with drugs, guns, prostitutes, the usual GTA M.O.
Now if the downloadable content is like the 8-bit levels in Lost Planet or something totally different than what we can expect from Rockstar, it would be worth buying it, however I don't think so. This is GTA, so any extra content is probably the usually crime and mayhem we've seen in GTA games.
I think people are making a big deal about the content because it is exclusive, but exclusive does not always mean better, i.e. Spider-man 3 Collectors Edition for the PS3.
ZombieSupaStar
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neojubei said:
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Spider_Jerusalem
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Wait just I moment. I see people talking about MS having spent $50 millions on the deal, I searched backwards and see that sangreal got it here.
Now, why is everyone assuming that "revenue chunk associated with the episodic content" means "The monies MS is throwing at us"? Obviously some part of it will be MS moneys, but they're talking about generic revenues here, so it obviously includes the money that people will throw at it buying it on the marketplace...
Am I missing something?
Now, why is everyone assuming that "revenue chunk associated with the episodic content" means "The monies MS is throwing at us"? Obviously some part of it will be MS moneys, but they're talking about generic revenues here, so it obviously includes the money that people will throw at it buying it on the marketplace...
Am I missing something?
frAntic_Frog
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the question that remains is.....how is sony going to respond? i doubt they are going to just stand by while the rival version of THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR gets exclusive content...im sure they want some incentive to make people want to buy the PS3 version, whether it be preloading it with tons of extras to make the bluray space ACTUALLY WORTH IT, or creating exclusive content features for the PS3 version
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frAntic_Frog said:
How to respond? The bidding starts at $50,000,000.01
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I think a assurity of all of this is a pricedrop. That would certainly propel the casual masses into buying the 360 w/ GTAIV.
frAntic_Frog said:
Maybe they are waiting for E3 to announce it, or as Sony is currently doing relying on their First/second party games.
In my opinion i think Stringer and probably some suits have put a leash on the video game division spending and well that part of Sony cannot just buy exclusives like Microsoft.
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Revelations said:
Yeah, I can't see how they are going to put up all of this money and not drop the price, that is almost assured now. IN a few months time, price should go down.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
Could it be possible that they release the game without any unusual controversy, but later when it has sold millions they add kids through episodic content so it won't affect sales?
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frAntic_Frog said:
Can't do anything that violates the binding contract. And I'm pretty sure MS didn't miss a step when drawing up the contents of the exclusive contract. Which probably had a line in it that said. 1. NO ADDITIONAL CONTENT FOR COMPETING PLATFORMS. 2. AND NO DEVELOPING EXTRA CONTENT AT THE EXPENSE OF EXCLUSIVE FUNDS. *cough*Level 5*cough*
You can only book revenue in advance when there is certainty of payment, and there are specific rules around what that entails. In this case, Take-Two has a contract to receive payment for the episodes from Microsoft, and that contract is worth two payments of $25m each. Take-Two can book that because it is certain that it will be received - the contracts are an asset (one long term and one short term). They cannot book revenue in advance of actual sales because that is an entirely different kind of income stream, and no contracts guaranteeing the amount even if they were not.Spider_Jerusalem said:
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Agent Icebeezy said:
$50 million payed for the entire developmental of the GTAIV project on the 360. If MS do not ensure mass appeal with casual & hardcore alike with a pricedrop on the 360. Then it's true they have chimpss running thier marketing & financial divisions.
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neojubei said:
Level 5 bullshitting with Microsoft's money when it came to True Fantasy Live Online
frAntic_Frog
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neojubei said:
hopefully sony knows what its doing, as GTA is the biggest casual game in the later part of this year. if they are indeed gonna rely on 1st/2nd party, they'd better start rolling out the marketing rather sooner than later with ads, virals, DEMOS, download content, etc to draw attention toward the PS3's unproven 1st party franchises like Uncharted and Heavenly sword to offset the loss of GTA exclusive
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neojubei said:
It was said Level 5 used MS funds from TFLO to help develop DQ8.
Agent Icebeezy said:
Really? Wikipedia has a different take on it.
Revelations said:
I thought DQ8 was funded by Square-enix that owns the rights to that series.
And Sony funded Rogue Galaxy as well.
I think Microsoft tried to strong arm Level 5 into making the game Microsoft wanted.i.e. Shadowrun.
Was that ever officially documented, just seemed like bitter tears at the time. I've never been able to find anything confirming the whole Level 5 siphoned off TFLO funds for other projects or wasn't serious about TFLO, only snarky comments from TXBers.
EDIT: Besides, it's not like they would have just been given 10 million to make TFLO and then kept the entire 10 million when the project was canceled. Development doesn't work that way, though it would be awesome if it did (for the studios).
EDIT: Besides, it's not like they would have just been given 10 million to make TFLO and then kept the entire 10 million when the project was canceled. Development doesn't work that way, though it would be awesome if it did (for the studios).
Spider_Jerusalem
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Oh ok, thank you for clarifying it. Now I'm wondering if they'll get the ordinary sales too, or the $25 per episode is something like an "advance payment" on the episodes sales? However, I think MS will market them like crazy, if they are paying all this moneys... they'll make sure that everyone knows that new episodes of the game are coming only on their console.GhaleonEB said:
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neojubei said:
Wikipedia is user created information. I wouldn't take that officially. Anyone can put that information up on Wiki. And you wouldn't think twice to check for accuracy.
Given MSFT's excellent business relations with other japanese developers at the time of TFLO development. MS didn't have any reason to strong arm or string along any independent developer. They weren't in the position last generation to do so. Besides it was MSKK who was in contact with level 5. Not the America HQ or MGS. MSKKK had it's own people to deal with japanese developers.
It comes down to this. Level 5 didn't meet deadlines. And the publishing/developing money MS forwared on that deal was being drained with no lasting results. Therefore level 5 was bleeding the MSKK's resources in some manner. Whether they put all thier focus into DQ8 instead of TFLO or they had no interest in the project to begin with. Either/Or whatever happened is not publicly known.
neojubei said:
not implying there is any truth to it, but the idea is that despite those games being funded by a publisher, they used the additional funds they were getting from MS to work on those games. it's shady, but there have been tales of this happening with other companies for years. i've read that quite a few companies did this with Philips during the whole CD-I debacle.
krackerjack
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Brashnir said:
yeah this is my first thread on here as well...holy crap
SealSqueal
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Sony could respond by suddenly dropping the price of the PS3 with a GTAIV bundle, I'm sure that would take the wind out of the 360 version (for non-next-gen-owners). But doubt that is really feasible, Sony will be pushing first party games something fierce.
I'm thinking you may be somewhat right with that thinking.
UntoldDreams said:
I'm thinking you may be somewhat right with that thinking.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Striker said:
GTA benefits from DLC and the 360 userbase rising as well..
as far as Halo 2 still being played, i think we can at least say for sure that any GTA game has more content in it than any Halo game will ever (most likely) have. Until they make a Halo-GTA game...oh the possibilites
Visualante
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It is impossible to quantify any kind of value to this content right now because there are so many variables that will change within the next 6 to 12 months.lockload said:
frAntic_Frog said:
Lol have you not seen how Sony has handled the PS3 since launch? They're likely not going to do jack squat to help GTAIV sales. Have you forgotten that Sony's focus doesn't include third parties and they're going to win with their first party stuff :lol?
Around GTAIV launch they'll do exactly what they've been doing so far, give us more promises. They'll tell us all they have 100 secret first party titles they can't talk about and then they'll pimp the stuff they have due out soon like Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet, Home, and the lot. It's all about misdirection with them now. Make you forget the problems of now for what they'll attempt to give you tomorrow heh.
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