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Kind of off topic, but there was a huge fire at the apartment building right across the street from the shooters apartment building. Arson is suspected but no connection with the Aurora shooting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57490447/james-holmes-is-mentally-ill-lawyers/Lawyers for James Holmes, the man charged in the Batman movie massacre, said Thursday that Holmes is mentally ill. The disclosure came when the lawyers appeared with Holmes at a Colorado court hearing into the attack that left 12 dead and 58 wounded -- an attack that has left Holmes facing multiple murder charges that carry the death penalty.
Are we ever going to hear this guy speak a single word?
And lol at the claim of mental illness. I always wonder if in cases like these, the lawyers just try to scrap at any sort of evidence they can to defend their criminal, no matter how obviously guilty he is.
Are we ever going to hear this guy speak a single word?
And lol at the claim of mental illness. I always wonder if in cases like these, the lawyers just try to scrap at any sort of evidence they can to defend their criminal, no matter how obviously guilty he is.
Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is.
Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking.
I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is.
Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility.
They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.
The courts generally are only concerned with whether the person knew what he was doing is wrong, not what type of mental illness he had. Even if the medical community classified the willingness to kill somebody as MurderItis so every single killer would count as being mentally ill, it wouldn't matter for their guilt or innocence. If you plan and execute somebody's murder and understand all the while that killing people is wrong, you are guilty.Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable...
They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.
wasnt there evidence of months of planning and supplies being bought for? kevlar and ammo and guns and all that?
doesnt that negate the mental illness path? i'm not well versed in what's the scope of that line of defense. Do psychotic / sociopathic syndromes qualify the defendant to be pursued under a more lenient punishment?
The courts generally are only concerned with whether the person knew what he was doing is wrong, not what type of mental illness he had. Even if the medical community classified the willingness to kill somebody as MurderItis so every single killer would count as being mentally ill, it wouldn't matter for their guilt or innocence. If you plan and execute somebody's murder and understand all the while that killing people is wrong, you are guilty.
Unless you are trying to make the argument that he didn't know it was wrong...in which case, best of luck to you and your arguments.
[IANAL]
I know little about Loughner and I'm not addressing him at the moment. I also wasn't intending on talking about Schizophrenia. Though even if a murderer does have it, millions of non-murderers have schizophrenia and perceptions that schizophrenia leads to violence is not backed by science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Violence).Loughner stuff...
Schizophrenia stuff...
But this is America. We want justice. What we really want is vengeance. We want blood. An eye for an eye.
What the vast majority of Americans want rarely has any impact on what a court decides. But obviously, there is a side topic here of whether prisoners should receive treatment for mental illnesses. I believe they should. And in some cases they do, but treatment of any condition prisoners have is a hotly debated topic and one that only gets more complicated when considering issues like Obamacare. Personally, I think the answer is simple, but I don't run countries.The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy to see Jarred Loughner executed. So we are going to stick that guy in a prison. That guy doesn't belong in a prison, and prisoners don't belong around a guy like that. Both for his benefit and theirs.
Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is.
Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking.
I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is.
Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility.
They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.
Did you ever get to see Jared Loughner in court? Nope. they will kepp him hidden from the public eye as much as possible until they have him medicated enough that the public wont see how crazy he is.
Both of these guys have serious mental illnesses. Americans don't find that acceptable. We have a justice system based on punishment and a populace who wont accept anything less no matter what the condition of the person who committed the crime. Most Americans dont believe that serious mental illness is even real. Look at this thread with the people who say he is faking.
I didnt notice a thread on it, but Loughner was just given a plea bargain of life in prison 2 days ago. With all that evidence? After shooting a US senator in the head and killing a little girl in front of a crowd of people? And he got a plea bargain. That should tell you everything you need to know about what his mental condition was. They judge found him to finally be competent to stand trial, but that was just a sham. That was just so they could offer the plea deal legally. And now they get to keep the public from seeing how mentally ill he is.
Obviously someone with as serious a mental illness as Loughner should have been sentenced to a mental institution. But that's not justice in Americas eyes. They want justice even when there is none to be had. It sucks that people can die and it is a situation where we cant even get justice out of the situation, but it does happen. But not in America. If they could have somehow have given Jared Loughner a trial without us being able to see him then believe me he would be headed to death row instead of life in prison. In America we will execute a mentally ill person and feel much better about that than we would about them being sentenced to a mental facility.
They are going to do the exact same thing with Holmes. And America will cheer it on. Americans for the most part simple dont believe in this kind of mental illness.
NOW he looks like his school ID.So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/james-holmes-mugshot-new-_n_1902296.html
Looks like Idra with cleaner eyebrows.So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/james-holmes-mugshot-new-_n_1902296.html
So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/james-holmes-mugshot-new-_n_1902296.html
Hey guys the Moon landing was a hoax. Also 911 was an inside job. Jesus is real though.
Why are you posting 9/11 conspiracy outside of the conspiracy thread ?
Hey guys the Moon landing was a hoax. Also 911 was an inside job. Jesus is real though.
So.. They ended up shaving James Holmes head, and here's his new mugshot,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/james-holmes-mugshot-new-_n_1902296.html
now he says he therapist brainwashed him into killing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...=maing-grid7|maing6|dl1|sec1_lnk2&pLid=239358
Though locked in different cells, Unruh, 38, claims he heard Holmes slamming himself into the wall. By yelling across the hall, Unrush says he talked the 24-year-old out of committing suicide.
Officers with the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office disputed that detainees can communicate the way Unruh described, Nevertheless, Unruh -- who was locked up on theft and drug charges -- says Holmes described the massacre to him.