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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Was joking, it isn't the ending. Not even related to Halo. Will untag.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I get this, I suppose its really a wait and see deal at the end of the day but Halo 4 made improvements upon reach so is that not something to look forward to?
Thread is full of negativity before 90% have played the game
I still blame no public beta for this.
I really don't care. Joke endings or not.
I thought people made it clear in the previous thread even joke spoilers are not welcome here?
I'm still excited, I'm still anticipating that first won BR duel, and that first expertly banked grenade off that slick Forerunner ramp; I just want a 50 for doing so.
Being facetious with the last part, of course.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Public Beta is a must for Halo 5, Even if its a not a real beta but a MP demo so fans can be calmed.
Do you feel it? Ancient evil awakens.
Bet it won't be as good looking as that profile pic.
I doubt any spoilers will be posted tbh. It said the same thing to me last week.
EDIT: wow, page 14 already?!
If that guy could do it, he would have done it already.
I don't see Halo 5 having a Beta, considering it will be on the next gen Xbox. I would like it, though.
Beta for 5 packed into a remake of Halo 2.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I wasn't there for that conversation.
Halo 5 Beta as Halo 2 Anniversary's multiplayer, only available for two weeks, costs full price.
I'd prefer no public beta, people demand (and devs give) stupid changes. Like over-nerfed Halo Reach pistol (sure it needed a nerf, but not that big, though that's really Bungie's fault). Or 15 shot DMR (two kills with two spare shots would have been more interesting, reduce long-range spamming).
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I don't understand why Reachs campaign got so much hate.
Reachs gameplay was terrible to be sure but IMO the campaign was well scripted and well executed.
The ending was particularly amazing.
The Librarian
Banned
Just like in ODST. Would love it, but I just don't see the Beta happening, since 343i (and other companies) may be under pressure for the next gen.
wut.
No one was asking for a pistol nerf. NO ONE. The only people that may have caused it are all the AR sprayers that cried when they got beat by the pistol. Bungie decided the best course of action was to nerf the pistol. Their fault for making that decision.
AND WHAT WHAT WHAT AT BEING FOR 12 SHOT DMR.
Good lord. Aside from the movement speed and jump height, that was the biggest problem with the Beta.
I'm still salty our precision weapons in Halo 4 can't get more than 2 kills per mag.
Buck that, I rather have Kinect Sport 3.5!
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Microsoft going huge.
Guess it is time to list all the annoying things. EDIT may have forgotten some stuff. Oh, well, Reach has so many bad things i can't remember to list them all.
Story/Setting:
-bad writing
-weak dialogue
-boring, cliche characters with lackluster deaths (Emile's was cool but kinda cliche too)
-retcons
-no cohesive story
-Reach didn't feel important
-Reach didn't look like UNSC military capital
-boring, generic mission objectives
-didn't feel very scifi, it was too grounded.
-weak ending, a true Spartan would have tried to damage the Covenant war machine as much as possible, not stay in one place and kill a few enemies and then die
-main character was a blank, though this is subjective, personally i do not like blank player characters
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Definetly.
Graphics/Art:
-film grain
-desaturated look (relative to other Halos)
-art (subjective, personally i wasn't a big fan), it was too "real" not scifi enough.
-Reach was too Earth-like, didn't feel like some terraformed colony-world.
-no particularly memorable locations
Music/Sound:
-not memorable, didn't feel very Halo for most part.
-same pieces were heard too often
-some weak voice acting
-the Elites didn't sound good. Halo CE Elites sounded more menacing
-no silly Grunts.
Gameplay/Sandbox:
-slow movement, inertia
-Covenant could headshot the player for the first time in Halos
-inhuman (no pun intended), too accurate AI shooting, they could shoot you with a Fuel Rod Gun 50 meters away while jetpacking, even on lower difficulties
-all Covies were too strong, even basic Grunts took a lot of bullets to kill (if no headshot weapon)
-weapons feel weak though they sound good. Grenade launcher was too rare, it was the only interesting addition to the sandbox
-armor abilities were irrelevant in the campaign, we didn't get to choose them, finding them was rare, jetpack was forced on you in one mission.
-the AI saw through camo, making it useless in single player (reduces AI interest in MP so it works, sometimes)
-vehicle health system makes vehicle combat bad. AI driving skills are horrible. AI gunnery skills are weak as well. The tank just ain't a fun vehicle in single player, too slow and unwieldy
-space section was repetitive and too long, and wasn't very interesting gameplay-wise
-sandbox didn't get enough new toys
-Revenant was kinda boring, felt weak
-Falcon didn't have transport capability in multiplayer
-power weapons were kinda underpowered against the AI in campaign, even a Minor Elite could survive the Laser
-no Chopper
-Legendary wasn't really harder than before but more frustrating, more trial-and-error, especially if one didn't want to just stay back and slowly use DMR against the Covies. Up-close and personal approach works in Halo 3 but not in Reach.
Campaign/Missions:
-rail-shooter sections
-encounter design wasn't up to Halo 3 level
-DMR trivialized many encounters, the AI still can't handle long-range fighting
-Grenade launcher was too rare
-mission objectives and design was boring, uninteresting (go press button, then another)
-too many missions felt like they're reusing earlier Halos' missions, not enough originality (New Alexandria is a bad mission, way too repetitive)
-boring locales, irrelevant tasks with no relation to each other (story cohesiveness above).
-some areas were too restrictive, not having enough options, especially on heroic/legendary
-space mission wasn't good. The Saber had really generic design and wasn't interesting gameplay-wise. The section was too long as well.
Other:
-Playlist management
-Progression system wasn't very rewarding, too slow.
-Firefight, customization was good but... why did they turn it into a shooting gallery?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
That's a large and comprehensive list.
It also wasted a fantastic opportunity of capturing Spartan teamwork.
I'm pretty sure i saw a lot of pistol-nerf requests. I wasn't reading GAF actively back then though, dunno 'bout people here.
Either way, Bungie listened to some people when making changes. AR buff would have been better, the DMR and the Pistol would have still been better.
I think a smaller mag for the DMR would have reduces spamming and made team-shooting or use of Plasma Pistol EMP more important, though arguably the DMR's issues stem more from the map design than the weapon itself. And while at it, the damage could have been upped to 4 shot kill.
Also, green ammo counter was cooler.
And recoil removal. Should've removed/reduced bloom and kept the recoil at very least.
EDIT note that i have somewhat different opinions from most HaloGAFers...
Added to my list.
The Elite
BOSS
And I agree with about six of those points.
The game is nowhere near as bad as that list makes it seem. I had a lot of fun with it.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Can't say I agree with all of them either but there are some good ones in there.
Seems the only people that liked Reach campaign are the people who hated the flood and any kind of deep lore. That's what I got from the gaming side thread. They just wanted it to be humans vs aliens, nice and simple.
I guess they got what they want.
Overall, to sum up the Reach campagin, it was just missed opportunities.
Covenant Reveal was weak.
Characters were severely underdeveloped.
For as much as they wanted to make Reach a character, it sure felt bland and underdeveloped. New Alexandria and parts of Exodus were the only time I felt the situation was dire.
Missions were weak (PRESS BUTTONS TO BEAT COVENANT)
Brutes sucked
Things Halo Reach did really well
>>>SURVIVE<<<
Why.
Reach already took a shit on the lethality of the individual and you wanted it to go FURTHER down that path?
I guess they got what they want.
Overall, to sum up the Reach campagin, it was just missed opportunities.
Covenant Reveal was weak.
Characters were severely underdeveloped.
For as much as they wanted to make Reach a character, it sure felt bland and underdeveloped. New Alexandria and parts of Exodus were the only time I felt the situation was dire.
Missions were weak (PRESS BUTTONS TO BEAT COVENANT)
Brutes sucked
Things Halo Reach did really well
>>>SURVIVE<<<
Why.
Reach already took a shit on the lethality of the individual and you wanted it to go FURTHER down that path?
Eh, i think i should make a list about Halo 3's shortcomings as well. And while at it, make lists what i liked about Halo 3 and Reach, otherwise people might get a feeling i'm a very negative person.
EDIT Tawpgun makes a good summary, though i don't agree with the last two points. The Brutes were weakly done but didn't suck, and survival, lol.
EDIT Tawpgun makes a good summary, though i don't agree with the last two points. The Brutes were weakly done but didn't suck, and survival, lol.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Thread makes me think of: Double, double, toil and trouble.
Must watch the LE unboxing video. Seeing disappointed comments does not make me hopeful. It's not exactly cheap, at 90.
Must watch the LE unboxing video. Seeing disappointed comments does not make me hopeful. It's not exactly cheap, at 90.
The Elite
BOSS
There are, but not many.
- bad writing
- weak dialogue
- weak voice acting
These are all the same thing. It requires one bullet point. Not three.
The Elite
BOSS
I like the Flood, I've read most of the Halo books, and I still like Reach.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Well, writing does include, IMO, the script, ie what happens in missions, non-verbal stuff, backround events (so, it is more like "bad mission design" listed in story section.
Voice acting and dialogue are separate, you can have well written interesting dialogue that is acted badly and vice versa.
I'm not a writer. I'm not good at expressing myself. Deal with repeated points.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
This is still a thing?
Team shooting was already given too much importance in Reach. At least when it was all 100% bloom. The DMR with full bloom was such a lousy weapon that you basically had to team shot a lot of the time or they would be able to get away. Especially if they were a good distance from you.
Hydranockz
Member
What does your list of things Reach did well look like?
Eh, sure, the game's weapons aren't lethal... gave the wrong idea. Strong weapons but no lasting power is ideal, i think, people need support and tricks to survive long.
Large magazines and lot of spares allow lone wolves to work too long.
Hmm, going to need some time to think.
EDIT also adding lousy playlist management and stupid progression system to my list.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
This makes me sad and angry at the same time. People expect FPS’s to be dumb and meaningless, yet when it gets a story it is “pretentious”. It feels like people themselves are holding the genre back.
That might sound just a bit too harsh, but to some extent it is true.
People who don't like New Alexandria are bad peoples.
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So all this nonsense about spoiling the ending is just a damn symptom of a larger problem. Too much focus on endings, and too much importance placed on them, like every game is an M Night Shamaylan film.
It's like we're spending tens and hundreds millions of dollars to make ornate jack-in-the-boxes.
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So all this nonsense about spoiling the ending is just a damn symptom of a larger problem. Too much focus on endings, and too much importance placed on them, like every game is an M Night Shamaylan film.
It's like we're spending tens and hundreds millions of dollars to make ornate jack-in-the-boxes.
I'll answer this for myself.
The Lone Wolf ending sequence was the best out of any Halo game, nostalgia for Warthog runs aside.
New Alexandria was fucking sweet, but plagued by some Brute encounters unfortunately.
ELITES ARE AWESOME
Skirmishers > Drones
I liked the cutscenes...
You are Noble 6 element with your own Spartan (though the voice sucked because of it)
Armor Abilities (though camo being useless on higher difficulties was pretty dumb)
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As for MP....
The netcode and hitscan. Literally can't think of another thing that Reach MP did right.
Naaa.
dragonelite
Member
It wasn't Fall of Reach with a bit of First Strike.
Good stuff in Reach, not going to be a very long list. EDIT also, originally i liked Reach far more but many things started to bother me later on. Many.
-Spartan 3's, very interesting idea but ultimately wasted. Points for the idea. Too bad there was no SPI armor.
-nice to see many Spartans togheter
-Halsey appearing in the campaign... if only here presence had been more important, if only her importance had been explained
-Some locations were quite beatiful, the first mission and Tip of the Spear come to mind.
-Sound design was good overall
-UI's good and pretty
-Active Rooster
-fast matchmaking
-expanded armor customization
-Covenant Corvette design, its interiors
-Firefight customization
-Alien design was generally good. Grunt armors are stupid.
-Generally good feedback, though slow movement made that kinda irrelevant
-Halsey's Journal, best Collector/Limited Edition item there is so far.
-Grenade Launcher
-More fun in co-op than SP though not so fun as Halo 3 or earlier co-op
-Fun in MM with a friend, regardless of the game's shortcomings
-Campaign MM though that input lag made it kinda worthless
Also added a couple of negatives to that list; what was wrong about art.
THIS THIS THIS
If only we had gotten to play the parts where Spartan IIs fight on Reach from those books.
(While i don't like Nylund's writing for a thousandth time, the books had some memorable stuff)
-Spartan 3's, very interesting idea but ultimately wasted. Points for the idea. Too bad there was no SPI armor.
-nice to see many Spartans togheter
-Halsey appearing in the campaign... if only here presence had been more important, if only her importance had been explained
-Some locations were quite beatiful, the first mission and Tip of the Spear come to mind.
-Sound design was good overall
-UI's good and pretty
-Active Rooster
-fast matchmaking
-expanded armor customization
-Covenant Corvette design, its interiors
-Firefight customization
-Alien design was generally good. Grunt armors are stupid.
-Generally good feedback, though slow movement made that kinda irrelevant
-Halsey's Journal, best Collector/Limited Edition item there is so far.
-Grenade Launcher
-More fun in co-op than SP though not so fun as Halo 3 or earlier co-op
-Fun in MM with a friend, regardless of the game's shortcomings
-Campaign MM though that input lag made it kinda worthless
Also added a couple of negatives to that list; what was wrong about art.
THIS THIS THIS
If only we had gotten to play the parts where Spartan IIs fight on Reach from those books.
(While i don't like Nylund's writing for a thousandth time, the books had some memorable stuff)
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I would have preferred something more a long the lines of tFoR but I was still happy with the end result.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I don't get it...
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