Halo |OT13|

Status
Not open for further replies.
Mar 19, 2010
1,554
0
0
It's a community thread and you have the author of the thread literally making fun of other members and laughing about it. And everyone's like,"it's cool, dude. It's just a community thread." Did I miss something? Community threads shouldn't have that crap. What part of Kyle's douchebaggery is okay? Apparently the mods thinks it is just as hilarious...
lol
 
Jun 15, 2009
7,819
0
0
Vancouver, WA
Way to oversimplify. There is literally a handful here that ruin these OT's. I'm not sure I want to stick around like Frankie. I try to post valid thought provoking discussion worthy posts but I guess that's just to mature here.
Just...stop.

Look, you have your opinions, and others have theirs.

Your opinions, however, are not backed up with supporting facts.
 
Jun 12, 2011
7,136
0
0
Birmingham, Al
Way to oversimplify. There is literally a handful here that ruin these OT's. I'm not sure I want to stick around like Frankie. I try to post valid thought provoking discussion worthy posts but I guess that's just to mature here.
Put people on ignore or leave. If people with differing opinions really get to you then this is the wrong forum.

If Deadly Cyclone can hang around and not go all diaper time and get full of u mad then anyone can.
 
Jan 20, 2008
12,261
1
0
Buffalo NY
Way to oversimplify. There is literally a handful here that ruin these OT's. I'm not sure I want to stick around like Frankie. I try to post valid thought provoking discussion worthy posts but I guess that's just to mature here.
OT's arent ruined...so I don't really know what you are talking about.

Frankie needs to man up and understand were salty and post salty because WERE SALTY.

You dont need to post 7 counters to boltshot, we all KNOW the counters, we're probably almost all better than you at Halo. What we do need is balances or nerfs/buffs/ or changes (like just removing the handheld shotgun, as its a stupid game departure from past Halo's. We don't need these changes or opinions from you, we need to hear from 343 what they plan to do.
 
Oct 19, 2009
8,833
0
605
The same is to be said in reverse, you always champion the same exact settings and maps basically. I post much of the same in retaliation to the never ending classic argument.

Literally 343i have come out and said they'll rework Slayer Pro. So say we get smaller Forged maps, a small map pack early next year and some TU tweaks that allow customs/classic playlists to deliver 80-95% of the old classic experience. By the way I'm actually thinking this is almost exactly what is happening over at 343i for Slayer Pro/MLG playlists.

How is the classic crowd going to react? More changes, more tweaks, more splintered settings from that segment of players. Sure it happens just the same in other playlists but do you not see the developers wanting to support you in your playlists?

I disagree that I just post I like, for example I listed 7 counters to boltshot yesterday but no one replied, why? Because my debating put the argument to rest, hell I even agree the range needs a nerf but I guess I just get black and white written off as the casual like it guy. Even though I'm actually a hardcore objective competitive guy.
I personally saw your list of counters shook my head and went on my way.

I cant remember them all, but I think some of your counters literally involved stooping to their level. I... Dont... Want... To... Play... Halo... Like... Them...

Sorry man, if people ignore you its because they just don't want to go there, not because they cant outdo you in a debate.
 
Put people on ignore or leave. If people with differing opinions really get to you then this is the wrong forum.

If Deadly Cyclone can hang around and not go all diaper time and get full of u mad then anyone can.
I have no issue with differing opinions at all, that's precisely what playlists are for. Did you miss my repetitive posts on this? Did you miss me agreeing with classic playlist settings you guys outline? Also mad, why would I get mad at an Internet forum or a different opinion?
 
Jan 26, 2010
13,902
1
0
steamcommunity.com
Not even close. You couldn't make this place less inviting if you tried.
Despite that, we still have some of the highest traffic and members posting in here so maybe a little slowdown would be for the better.

It's a community thread and you have the author of the thread literally making fun of other members and laughing about it. And everyone's like,"it's cool, dude. It's just a community thread." Did I miss something? Community threads shouldn't have that crap. What part of Kyle's douchebaggery is okay? Apparently the mods thinks it is just as hilarious...
All I'ma say is Kyle gon Kyle, and I think he's hilarious, straight up. He's also upped my Mario 64 viewing by 1000%. Though I know how it's like to be on the other end of it where a member's gettin' under your skin but they get a lot of support anyway, but at this point I think you should just go with it. These threads go by at a lightning pace and the next one will prolly be made by someone else anyhow.
 
I personally saw your list of counters shook my head and went on my way.

I cant remember them all, but I think some of your counters literally involved stooping to their level. I... Dont... Want... To... Play... Halo... Like... Them...

Sorry man, if people ignore you its because they just don't want to go there, not because they cant outdo you in a debate.
Let us take a look at what you say here. Now look I never even had to "stoop" to saying just use boltshot in your loadout. I never even fucking posted that stooping tactic yet I have 7 viable counters to bolt shot...WOW.

1. Hologram fake out (no stooping here, just a change of AA and tactics)
2. Team melee (no stooping here, just teamwork)
3. Grenade flush out (no stooping here, just an awareness skill and anti-camper tactic, no AA required and could be coupled with explosives package)
4. Evade using PV (no stooping here, just a change of AA and map movement tactic)
5. Power weapons like rockets (no stooping here)
6. Evade using player awareness (no stooping here, not AA required just player awareness skill)
7. PP + melee if you have a decent connection or host (potential stooping here but a very similar close quarters near instant kill like boltshot)
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
Aug 31, 2011
17,642
2
735
The south
Let us take a look at what you say here. Now look I never even had to "stoop" to saying just use boltshot in your loadout. I never even fucking posted that stooping tactic yet I have 7 viable counters to bolt shot...WOW.

1. Hologram fake out (no stooping here, just a change of AA and tactics)
2. Team melee (no stooping here, just teamwork)
3. Grenade flush out (no stooping here, just an awareness skill and anti-camper tactic, no AA required and could be coupled with explosives package)
4. Evade using PV (no stooping here, just a change of AA and map movement tactic)
5. Power weapons like rockets (no stooping here)
6. Evade using player awareness (no stooping here, not AA required just player awareness skill)
7. PP + melee if you have a decent connection or host (potential stooping here but a very similar close quarters near instant kill like boltshot)
(no stooping here)
 
Oct 19, 2009
8,833
0
605
Let us take a look at what you say here. Now look I never even had to "stoop" to saying just use boltshot in your loadout. I never even fucking posted that stooping tactic yet I have 7 viable counters to bolt shot...WOW.

1. Hologram fake out (no stooping here, just a change of AA and tactics)
2. Team melee (no stooping here, just teamwork)
3. Grenade flush out (no stooping here, just an awareness skill and anti-camper tactic, no AA required and could be coupled with explosives package)
4. Evade using PV (no stooping here, just a change of AA and map movement tactic)
5. Power weapons like rockets (no stooping here)
6. Evade using player awareness (no stooping here, not AA required just player awareness skill)
7. PP + melee if you have a decent connection or host (potential stooping here but a very similar close quarters near instant kill like boltshot)
1. Hologram fake out is impractical unless you know where the boltshot guy is camping. Even then you are gimped into playing rock paper scissors and using Hologram which leaves you at a disadvantage in many other combat scenarios.
2. Team melee... really? I hate going in for melee's and this 'counter' sounds more like a crapshoot where you expect a team mate to die anyway.
3. Nade flushout is impractical unless you know where the boltshot guy is camping. When you dont have nade pick ups this is not always practical.
4. Dont want to stoop to using PV - it slows the game down and now not only will the boltshot user be camping... I will too.
5. Power Weapons magically fall out of the sky - not reliable at all.
6. Dont know about you - but without 6th sense I cant quite spot when people are camo crouching or just crouching around a corner.
7. So you want me to overcharge my PP before I turn any corner?


Yeah, seven idea's which force me to play the game in a way I dont want to play and change the dynamic of the match. Would it really not be better to just remove the boltshot? A lot of your counters turn the game into a reactive menu loadout changing activity. Halo is not fun or was never like this before.
 
Feb 1, 2011
17,727
0
0
Boston
www.alpha27.net
Let us take a look at what you say here. Now look I never even had to "stoop" to saying just use boltshot in your loadout. I never even fucking posted that stooping tactic yet I have 7 viable counters to bolt shot...WOW.

1. Hologram fake out (no stooping here, just a change of AA and tactics)
2. Team melee (no stooping here, just teamwork)
3. Grenade flush out (no stooping here, just an awareness skill and anti-camper tactic, no AA required and could be coupled with explosives package)
4. Evade using PV (no stooping here, just a change of AA and map movement tactic)
5. Power weapons like rockets (no stooping here)
6. Evade using player awareness (no stooping here, not AA required just player awareness skill)
7. PP + melee if you have a decent connection or host (potential stooping here but a very similar close quarters near instant kill like boltshot)


This is the reason I ignored your "counters" before. I don't think I should have to change my loadouts in order to combat something you start with
 
Dec 5, 2011
4,855
0
425
No, I understand these Forge issues (I had some Huge-ass technical posts written up about some of these specific problems earlier).

I guess I had expected they would have already taken note of some the workarounds that exist for these specific problems.
This is the guy who is building and eventually putting the MLG forge maps in MM, right?

Could you mention to him to take a look at the forgeGAF thread where most of these quirks and workarounds have been documented? (Second to last page as of now)
I would really want to see some good forge maps, so if he doesn't know about these it could really help. It seems a lot of forgers might not be aware of some of these.

Those same MLG maps could look awesome (and have better framerate!!) without any need for a TU or any type of Forge updates, since those problems could be fixed with a few careful tweaks.

The lighting being over budget and not showing up can be controlled with clever use of forge piece spawn timing (That wont effect gameplay since it's spawn time is within the loudout selection period) to selectively disable lighting on certain pieces that don't benefit from it (or could be used to create better ambient lighting, if done very carefully) and free up lightmap memory. This allows you to have maps with many pieces still maintain lightmaps and good framerates.
Nokyard found out about this glitch and I offered some ideas on how to use it to make ambient lighting better in the proceeding post here.

The lighting being flat is due to the way the maps are built with low ceilings and complete enclosure inside enteriors. That can be adjusted with a method similar to the one I explained in this long-ass post. He could open up some of the interiors or add in windows or use the forge timer glitch to allow in some ambient lighting. Again, that part is in the above (2nd) link after Nokyard's post. He should take a look at how Nokyard used it.
ForgeGAF is amazing. It's like a consistently good thread of people working together to create things. Nothing cooler than watching that. I wish I could have more input there, but I'm not very good at Forging, and seeing a lot of the incredible stuff that people create just makes me feel way too self-concious to bother posting my creations.

Keep up the excellent work, though, and 343: hire Fyrewulff.

Edit: just hire everyone in that thread.
 
1. Hologram fake out is impractical unless you know where the boltshot guy is camping. Even then you are gimped into playing rock paper scissors and using Hologram which leaves you at a disadvantage in many other combat scenarios.
2. Team melee... really? I hate going in for melee's and this 'counter' sounds more like a crapshoot where you expect a team mate to die anyway.
3. Nade flushout is impractical unless you know where the boltshot guy is camping. When you dont have nade pick ups this is not always practical.
4. Dont want to stoop to using PV - it slows the game down and now not only will the boltshot user be camping... I will too.
5. Power Weapons magically fall out of the sky - not reliable at all.
6. Dont know about you - but without 6th sense I cant quite spot when people are camo crouching or just crouching around a corner.
7. So you want me to overcharge my PP before I turn any corner?


Yeah, seven idea's which force me to play the game in a way I dont want to play and change the dynamic of the match. Would it really not be better to just remove the boltshot?
Seems to me you may have awareness or team communication issues if you can't identify where the "cheap camper" is. A camo+boltshot user is stuck due to crouching, camping or camo activated in a localised area for effectiveness. They tend to use certain parts of a map and are rarely effective when on the move. A camper is identified quickly by a good team, dealt with by good teamwork and if using camo it's easy to avoid that conflict or zero in on their centre point quickly. It's really not that hard to know before hand about Camo+boltshot more often than not.

You could also make them chase you to flush them out or you know communicate with your team so you know who or where to avoid at a given time or where to attack and deal with them. You could also use jetpack and simply elevate yourself out of range. You could also use feinting with a team mate instead of hologram.

Again I agree the range needs adjusting and reload needs fixing but if the same classic segment want this as a majority then fine be proactive that you don't want this available in the returning Slayer Pro list.

As for removing the weapon entirely I disagree with that.
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
Jun 7, 2004
25,433
0
1,520
camo sniper is much worse then camo boltshot. at least when you are in boltshot range you'll know a camo guy is nearby by the blue dots.
 
Oct 19, 2009
8,833
0
605
Seems to me you may have awareness or team communication issues if you can't identify where the "cheap camper" is. A camo+boltshot user is stuck due to crouching, camping or camo activated in a localised area for effectiveness. They tend to use certain parts of a map and are rarely effective when on the move.

You could also make them chase you to flush them out or you know communicate with your team so you know who or where to avoid at a given time.

Again I agree the range needs adjusting and reload needs fixing but if the same classic segment want this as a majority then fine be proactive that you don't want this available in the returning Slayer Pro list.

As for removing the weapon entirely I disagree with that.
That must be it.

I give up with this guy.

camo sniper is much worse then camo boltshot. at least when you are in boltshot range you'll know a camo guy is nearby by the blue dots.
Blue dots dont appear if he is in Camo and crouched.
 
Jul 3, 2010
9,344
0
0
I put out some legit criticisms early on, but I don't feel the need to repeat myself dozens of times. How folks like Karl, u4ix, Cyren, etc, even Ozzy in the other camp, can continue to put forth the same points over and over to no effect is beyond me.
I'm just trying to get some things off my chest in a not "is bullshit" post. I've got a large post brewing about sandbox design and how it's been modified over the years in both PvE and PvP environments. Right now the CE and Halo 2 section are about a page in total, mostly because they were quite simplistic. Halo 3 is a bit longer, and I'm just starting on the Reach portion. Once I get that out of the way, I'll probably just go back to asking peeps to do Annual or hop on for a game or something.

Also, yeah the community has changed. I was not around for H3GAF, but I'd just like to take a moment of your time and remember how great the junior wave of spring 2011 was. Hot damn we were the tits. Now you can go back to your H3GAF reminiscing.
 
Aug 29, 2007
6,972
360
910
40
Land of the OKC Thunder
All I'ma say is Kyle gon Kyle, and I think he's hilarious, straight up. He's also upped my Mario 64 viewing by 1000%. Though I know how it's like to be on the other end of it where a member's gettin' under your skin but they get a lot of support anyway, but at this point I think you should just go with it. These threads go by at a lightning pace and the next one will prolly be made by someone else anyhow.
Kyle can be pretty funny. That's not the point, though. I don't appreciate his outright disrespect of other people, including me. And it's hard to ignore having one of my posts in the OT that's obviously meant to ridicule and embarrass me. I wanted him to put something worthwhile into the OT and I made a post that would have been good to have there. Kyle, in typical fashion, blew it off. Can't have anything good about Halo in the OT, which is just another reason he shouldn't have been allowed to make it in the first place. It's not just about the OT. His intentions are just to smear everything and anything related to current halo. If it's community members who like the game, well let's smear them too. What's sad is that a lot of people seem on board with that behavior. There's a lot of patting each other on the back when it happens. Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't care about anything. I'm not even sure if he cares about himself honestly. Anyway, I may drop in and out of gaf occasionally, but I really just have no desire to even lurk anymore. If this is the community that Kyle wants and everyone's okay with it, good for him.
 
Dec 5, 2011
4,855
0
425
Kyle can be pretty funny. That's not the point, though. I don't appreciate his outright disrespect of other people, including me. And it's hard to ignore having one of my posts in the OT that's obviously meant to ridicule and embarrass me. I wanted him to put something worthwhile into the OT and I made a post that would have been good to have there. Kyle, in typical fashion, blew it off. Can't have anything good about Halo in the OT, which is just another reason he shouldn't have been allowed to make it in the first place. It's not just about the OT. His intentions are just to smear everything and anything related to current halo. If it's community members who like the game, well let's smear them too. What's sad is that a lot of people seem on board with that behavior. There's a lot of patting each other on the back when it happens. Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't care about anything. I'm not even sure if he cares about himself honestly. Anyway, I may drop in and out of gaf occasionally, but I really just have no desire to even lurk anymore. If this is the community that Kyle wants and everyone's okay with it, good for him.
Dude, I got GAFsniped yesterday for being this rational. Stop it.

I agree 110%
 
Dec 27, 2010
2,960
0
0
Minnesota
Moving it up so Cyren sees it.

Some forge issues I believe, I can get APK to reply later. He know the ins and outs of the current issues with the forge mode.
No, I understand these Forge issues, I had some Huge-ass technical posts written up about some of these specific problems earlier in the OT as well as on ForgeGAF.

I guess I had expected they would have already taken note of some the workarounds that exist for these specific problems.
This is the guy who is building and eventually putting the MLG forge maps in MM, right?

Could you mention to him to take a look at the forgeGAF thread where most of these quirks and workarounds have been documented? (Second to last page as of now)
I would really want to see some good forge maps, so if he doesn't know about these it could really help. It seems a lot of forgers might not be aware of some of these.

Those same MLG maps could look awesome (and have better framerate!!) without any need for a TU or any type of Forge updates, since those problems could be fixed with a few careful tweaks.

The lighting being flat is due to the way the maps are built with low ceilings and complete enclosure surrounding interiors.
That can be adjusted by using some of the techniques I explained in this long-ass post.

Good ambient lighting is crucial, but some of the maps don't even have the baked in lighting since there over budget.

The lighting being over budget and not showing up can be controlled with clever use of forge piece spawn timing to selectively disable lighting on certain pieces that don't benefit from it and free up lightmap memory. (This workaround wont effect gameplay since those pieces will spawn within the loudout selection period and it can also be used to create better ambient lighting in interiors, if done very carefully) This allows you to have maps with many pieces still maintain lightmaps and good framerates.
Nokyard found out about this glitch and I offered some ideas on how to use this technique to make ambient lighting better in the proceeding post. He should read up on that and take a look at how Nokyard used it for specific examples.
 
Kyle can be pretty funny. That's not the point, though. I don't appreciate his outright disrespect of other people, including me. And it's hard to ignore having one of my posts in the OT that's obviously meant to ridicule and embarrass me. I wanted him to put something worthwhile into the OT and I made a post that would have been good to have there. Kyle, in typical fashion, blew it off. Can't have anything good about Halo in the OT, which is just another reason he shouldn't have been allowed to make it in the first place. It's not just about the OT. His intentions are just to smear everything and anything related to current halo. If it's community members who like the game, well let's smear them too. What's sad is that a lot of people seem on board with that behavior. There's a lot of patting each other on the back when it happens. Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't care about anything. I'm not even sure if he cares about himself honestly. Anyway, I may drop in and out of gaf occasionally, but I really just have no desire to even lurk anymore. If this is the community that Kyle wants and everyone's okay with it, good for him.
When you compare the GhaleonEB run OT OP to this OT OP it's pretty obvious where this community is heading.

I enjoyed the rotating community artwork, the open invite for any member artwork to join that rotation. The link details to other information, the updates of focal points from that OT...something something...
 
Jul 3, 2010
9,344
0
0
ForgeGAF is amazing. It's like a consistently good thread of people working together to create things. Nothing cooler than watching that. I wish I could have more input there, but I'm not very good at Forging, and seeing a lot of the incredible stuff that people create just makes me feel way too self-concious to bother posting my creations.

Keep up the excellent work, though, and 343: hire Fyrewulff.

Edit: just hire everyone in that thread.
Post your stuff man! I'm fairly self-conscious about my stuff too, but that's part of trying to make it even a little bit better. Over's comment about incorporating more cover from the initial geometry has got me to try and rework it to incorporate it. Right now it's only SketchUp work(so nothing super concrete yet), but without any feedback none of the issues would get fixed.
 
Dec 27, 2010
2,960
0
0
Minnesota
Kyle can be pretty funny. That's not the point, though. I don't appreciate his outright disrespect of other people, including me. And it's hard to ignore having one of my posts in the OT that's obviously meant to ridicule and embarrass me. I wanted him to put something worthwhile into the OT and I made a post that would have been good to have there. Kyle, in typical fashion, blew it off. Can't have anything good about Halo in the OT, which is just another reason he shouldn't have been allowed to make it in the first place. It's not just about the OT. His intentions are just to smear everything and anything related to current halo. If it's community members who like the game, well let's smear them too. What's sad is that a lot of people seem on board with that behavior. There's a lot of patting each other on the back when it happens. Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't care about anything. I'm not even sure if he cares about himself honestly. Anyway, I may drop in and out of gaf occasionally, but I really just have no desire to even lurk anymore. If this is the community that Kyle wants and everyone's okay with it, good for him.
Yup. Especially the whole back patting thing.

But at this point I have just ceased to care though, GAF and Halo have been losing my attention. Its the same old shit.

Who's up for some H2v?
 
Jun 12, 2011
7,136
0
0
Birmingham, Al
Kyle can be pretty funny. That's not the point, though. I don't appreciate his outright disrespect of other people, including me. And it's hard to ignore having one of my posts in the OT that's obviously meant to ridicule and embarrass me. I wanted him to put something worthwhile into the OT and I made a post that would have been good to have there. Kyle, in typical fashion, blew it off. Can't have anything good about Halo in the OT, which is just another reason he shouldn't have been allowed to make it in the first place. It's not just about the OT. His intentions are just to smear everything and anything related to current halo. If it's community members who like the game, well let's smear them too. What's sad is that a lot of people seem on board with that behavior. There's a lot of patting each other on the back when it happens. Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't care about anything. I'm not even sure if he cares about himself honestly. Anyway, I may drop in and out of gaf occasionally, but I really just have no desire to even lurk anymore. If this is the community that Kyle wants and everyone's okay with it, good for him.

W o w. Kyle cares about Halo a lot, which explains his often crass attitude...not to mention the tons of good posts that back his opinion up often.

And doesn't care about himself? LOLOLOLOL dude is successful and just bought a new car and house, but yeah, he totally doesn't care.
 
Jun 14, 2012
9,691
0
0
Why do you guys still argue with Ozzy? You are wasting your time...


And what is wrong with music from Breaking Benjamin? I for one like them.

W o w. Kyle cares about Halo a lot, which explains his often crass attitude...not to mention the tons of good posts that back his opinion up often.

And doesn't care about himself? LOLOLOLOL dude is successful and just bought a new car and house, but yeah, he totally doesn't care.
And I'm really jaelous, because of that. Can't wait to make my degree and start to work. :)
 
Jan 2, 2010
28,014
2
0
26
Cincinnati, Ohio
W o w. Kyle cares about Halo a lot, which explains his often crass attitude...not to mention the tons of good posts that back his opinion up often.

And doesn't care about himself? LOLOLOLOL dude is successful and just bought a new car and house, but yeah, he totally doesn't care.
The OP in this thread is still a piece of shit though compared to the Ghal ones.
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
Jun 7, 2004
25,433
0
1,520
You just updated it with more bs. Figures.... This thread is a joke and it should have been locked the moment you posted it. Im annoyed that people who actually like the game have to put up with your shit. I have no idea why the mods let it slide every single day. You spend more time pissing on halo 4 and talking about your favorite porn stars than anything else. Its really sad.
this i agree with. this community has become so self hating.
 
Feb 1, 2011
17,727
0
0
Boston
www.alpha27.net
The OP in this thread is still a piece of shit though compared to the Ghal ones.
I don't think this OP should be compared to Ghaelons. I see this as the HaloGAF OT. It's a home to any of those who would call themselves a part of HaloGAF. We got our inside jokes and humor (explains the kyle OP)

The actual Halo 4 OT is somewhere around and pretty active as well. That's the OT that should have the information.

I love this OP. Pretty sure Ghaelon enjoyed it too. It's GAF dude.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.