Unless you've bought something like an Earthbound cartridge or a Xenoblade Disc that now costs a ton of money
Got both, TYVM 
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Hideki Kamiya: "Multiple publishers turned down Bayonetta 2"
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Hey man, buying a console for one game is straight up undercore.
Haha, that's like the "Nintendo doesn't have new IPs ... btw. all of those new IPs don't count because of reasons" posts. Where is the comic about that when you need it, I can't find it anymore.
But Bayonetta never was on PC.
And every now and then there is/was a Wii U Basic around $200 and Wii U premium bundles at $250.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
My hope for this game is that it will eventually appear on the next nintendo console that actually has a proper controller and not a cheap gimmick or some plan b controller with uncomfortable stick placement. For the time being I scratch my Bayonetta itch by replaying the game on the ps3. I have a lackluster framerate but at least I get to play the game with the dualshock.
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My impression is that most people in this thread saying they won't buy a console to get it aren't saying this. I certainly don't blame Nintendo or Platinum for anything. I thought the complaints were pathetic from the start. There are very few posts here that sound close to the morons on twitter.
At the right value proposition for me I may end up with a Wii U and this game. Right now that doesn't exist. I also don't own a PS4 or Xbox yet because they haven't justified themselves with enough titles I want either.
CadetMahoney
Member
Have you even tried the GamePad or Pro Contoller?
They're amazingly comfortable.
Unless you've bought something like an Earthbound cartridge or a Xenoblade Disc that now costs a ton of money
Got both...plus two extra copies of Xenoblade (1 PAL when it came out there and a sealed US one...just in case I may need money one of these days.)
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I thought we were getting it on the 26th?
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
"I think I have discussed this many times before but here goes
First of all, we [Platinum Games] are developers and receive support from publishers by making games that they request or suggest."
Most gamers are already confused after his first paragraph. I dont know why he continues.
Most gamers are already confused after his first paragraph. I dont know why he continues.
Hideki Kamiya may make great games but I haven't been as impressed with how he leads that company. He halfway builds a game with a niche following and then fails to find a partner. That's on him. When Nintendo threw him a bone he took it of course, but the move doomed the work of his team to poor sales. Instead the hard work will go mostly unnoticed and his companies position is by no means improved despite the heavy effort.
Platinium should simply be doing better. Given the quality of their games they actually deserve better.
Platinium should simply be doing better. Given the quality of their games they actually deserve better.
You should give the pro controller a shot. It is VERY good.
I absolutely don't understand this...
They continue to find good work. And make the games they want.
This seems to be the best possible outcome.
I think that's more on the gaming audience than it is publishers or platinum themselves. If these guys SHOULD sell better, than more people should actually buy them.
Orniletter
Banned
The Pro controller is so much better than the DS3, it´s not even funny.
Umm. Doesn't Inaba run the company? Kamiya's just the head of development.
An incredibly true statement.
Team Filler
Member
That's reasonable enough, no doubt. I'm moreso reacting to the general...reaction that apparently is resulting in Kamiya and Platinum still being asked to/feeling the need to continue explaining why 1+1=2.
What?!? My amazon preorder says the 28th, is it actually the 26th?
EDIT: What the hell Amazon, where's the option to receive on release day?
There's nothing bad about that though
Except you know... Kamiya is not running the company.
It is. The best for character action games imo.
Got both, TYVM
Got both...plus two extra copies of Xenoblade (1 PAL when it came out there and a sealed US one...just in case I may need money one of these days.)
Lucky bastards...
I own at least the Xenoblade disc, should have kept my SNES cartridges if I only knew some of them would worth a few hundred bucks nowadays
B
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Unconfirmed Member
Im sure they would love more sales. Who wouldnt? I take pride though knowing that they are making high quality games that they want to make. If the consumer buys, the consumer buys. To me its very commendable.
Fair enough. I agree its pathetic this needs to be explained at all at this point
ShadowSoldier89
Member
ive been using it for hyrule warriors, and its not bad, better than the 360 and Ones controllers, but the whole time im holding it i have a permanent feeling that both analog sticks are in the wrong spot. My thumbs just hate using analog sticks in the upper positions
dual shock 3 is still the best action game controller
Hideki Kamiya has repeatedly stated that he's not involved with running the business side of the company at all, and any business queries should be sent to Inaba. Hell, Inaba probably doesn't care about the sales either, because his job is to secure funding for the games Platinum wants to make.
In the case of games like Bayonetta, Wonderful 101, or whatever, the onus is on the publisher to do the marketing to make sure that the game finds the audience it needs to be profitable for them, because they're the ones agreeing to give Platinum Games X amount of dollars to make the game. You can't blame the developer for a lack of marketing the publisher should be doing.
If a restaurant asks a chef to make a pie, you don't blame the chef if the pie doesn't sell, unless the pie is made of poo and unsellable. You blame the restaurant for not doing what they need to do to make sure the pie sells.
Kamiya makes damned good games, which is why he and Platinum continue to get work. The onus is on the people hiring them to make sure the investment is worth their money. Hell, Kamiya did a Nintendo Direct for Wonderful 101: It's fair to say he's willing to work with Nintendo on the marketing side, if they ask him.
Their games mostly bombed unless you slap a Metal Gear name on it. They basically make games that are unpopular and sometimes can give a bad impression to beginners due to skill spike in their games. But they take pride in what they do even if it's not the most popular genre or the game that has a large market in today's industry.
And Kamiya is not the one running the show for Platinum. He's just like the official mascot of the company
PhineBuyM3
Member
A lot of Bayo1 fans assumed a sequel would come to the PS4/X1 and in the last couple of years I've seen a sentiment among some gamers of wanting to run with only 1 system in the next console generation for various reasons. Bayo 2 being exclusive to WiiU put a dent in their plans. I'm not saying the continuous port begging and twitter harassment is justified, but I can see why some Bayo fans are still magically not pissed that they have to spend much more than they thought they would just to get the follow up to one of their favorite games.
I'm not angry. I'm saying how I think others felt in this situation.
it's a little bit funny
He's a principle in the company, seems to have a say in what gets developed, and uses 'we' when describing all the dealings with publishers and contracts, which indicates a level of responsibility. He's also the voice of the company, everything he says is implicitly supported by the other executives.
Who in their right mind would talk so personally about the project and the companies doings and yet have no responsibility for those choices? That's just silly thinking.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I'm starting to wonder how true this really is. Quality does not automatically equal mainstream sales and widespread appreciation.
The kinds of games Platinum makes are not popular in the west, and Japan has gone heavily mobile. It isn't even about the "skin" on Platinum's games. Bayonetta could have had any lead character, but it's not as simple or easy to play as God of War. Vanquish actually does look like the perfect "generic" western space dude shooter going by the game cover and character. But a lot of people took a look at it just said "where's the multiplayer deathmatch mode? I'd rather just play Gears of War."
Creators like Kamiya and Platinum are praised for their ideas and their devotion to quality, but in order to make a widely "popular" game it sure seems they'd have to make something that isn't the kind of game they'd be interested in making.
At this point, I tend to think the issue is that Platinum is a company making big budget Shovel Knight games in a Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Candy Crush world.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I still use the classic controller pro for mario kart over the pro controller
ShockingAlberto
Member
Platinum Fanfiction.
You misunderstand: I've never played the original game (although I did buy it) and so I could not care less if the sequel is to remain exclusive to the Wii U for eternity (and even if I were interested in the game, the matter of exclusivity would still not bother me). I was simply making the point that since we're not privy to the contract between the two parties it's possible that nestled away among the the legalise is a little section that states ownership of the game reverts back to the IP owner in the event that a certain sales goal is met. Is such a clause likely? I'd say "no". Do we have evidence that it's not the case, though? The answer is also "no".
He is neither of all those.
He has a face as he is the most ambitious of all the devs at PG and let's face it, he is one of the industry veterans among all the others there, but has no say on how the company is run.
He also is not the voice of the company, he is just the loudest, and a bad influence on poor JP lately
I love you both JP, don't hate me.
It's already well established that Nintendo is the last AAA player creating/funding games with mechanical depth and abstract styles as the focus of the company, not just some games here and there given the B team treatment. I have no idea when or what went wrong, but I'm very grateful for the existence Bayo 2.
I love the Pro Controller, but after nearly 2 years, I haven´t gotten used to the right stick position (over the face buttons), also the face buttons are slightly too small for my taste, or maybe is just the form, if they were flatter maybe that would help, but they kill my right thumb playing MK8, and it´ll probably get worst when Smash arrives.
I do prefer the overall form, the sticks design and the triggers, but to be honest I don´t think either is better than the other, they´re just as good on their own merits.
megabytecr
Member
edit: Also Pro Controller > DS.
Thank you based Nintendo. That is all there is to say.
Thank you based Nintendo. That is all there is to say.
PhineBuyM3
Member
I'm starting to think this can't be put on Platinum anymore, look at what Westerners typically find appealing in their games and look at what Platinum puts in their games. They aren't making fantasy open world RPGs or homogenized third and first person shooters/action games.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
That's actually great. Thanks !
Say that again when the main design of the controller is unchanged after 15 years.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'm still baffled that someone thinks Kamiya isn't part of Platinum and thinks Platinum owns the games.
Shin Johnpv
Member
Too bad for them then. It doesn't give them the right to harass the dude on twitter constantly. As a part of the Bayonetta fanbase that bought the first one day 1 on 360, and also enjoys games Nintendo puts out, I'm damn happy the sequel got made at all. Anyone else feeling upset that the sequel was made can go fuck themselves.
protomouse
Member
I don't get why any gamer would want exclusivity. Is it supposed to make us feel better about ourselves? I love my Wii U to bits, but it's not like I'm sitting here thinking "Gee, it sure is good that Bayonetta 2 isn't on those other consoles!"
There's too much "fuck you, got mine" mentality in the gaming community if you ask me.
This.
The best GIF.
Purple Cheeto
Member
The demo for the original was so cringeworthy. I haven't felt shame like that while playing a game in forever. I'm still shocked that Nintendo of all companies picked up the sequel.
Stone Ocean
Member
What?
You say that as if it's a good thing.
I've read enough fanfiction here to make a book
ScionOfTheRisingSun
Banned
The rift between Japanese game design aesthetics and western sentiments began at the start of the previous generation and has grown wider apart with each year. A big factor was previously PC exclusive western developers suddenly jumping aboard the until then Japan dominated console market and somehow managed to awaken the western console market to its latent shit tastes in games.
The situation then got really weird when the western press started calling out Japanese developers for being old fashioned, obsolete and having lost its touch, causing a lot management in Japan to enforce catastrophic westernization policies that sapped the life out of all previously lucrative franchises. Konami and Capcom were hit the worst by such ill fated moves.
Playinum games though, bless their soul, just stuck to their guns and marched ahead. Unfortunately though, unlike From Software who managed to find themselves a huge audience in the new void via the same strategy, Platinum never did quite manage mirror that feat.
Whatever the hell that means.
sadly i feel this is the only way we can see a Platinum Games new IP on ps4/xbox1, seeing as how P* doesnt make enough money to fund thier own projects. i dont expect EA or Activision to do a multiplat title thats not a established series. even a sequel is difficult to get funded for P*. i really do think thats the only way.