Disagree completely with you on that.
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Horizon Zero Dawn |OT| The Land After Time
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Disagree completely with you on that.
broscientific
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I believe the quests level is what you'll be if you only do the main quest and no other else.
I'm like 47 while doing some quest under 20 and still not that easy as well.
The problem with Horizon's world, if you want to call it a problem, is the ways you interact with it are very few. There's combat, and that part is not at all shallow, but it's one thing. There's stock, linear dialogue and there's a really basic economy. I suppose there are text and audio files, because who doesn't love those. That's a limited range and you're made familiar with all of it in like the first 3 hours, the combat expands, but nothing else. For people looking for conventional RPG "depth" it may look empty. I've been watching people play Zelda and that thing is on another planet, but of course they're not going for the same thing. Combat in that game is sitting at the back of the bus.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yes, you can't control photo mode camera in certain circumstances. For example in towns/cities and cutscenes.
The only thing that makes sense:
he had "omega" level clearance which was presumably even higher than Elisabet's alpha prime. I think maybe no one knew he had that extra level of access (the alphas sure were surprised 😳!) and he had it only because his company basically paid for the project in the beginning as they were the only tech company capable of building all the stuff required when the crisis first started and the world didn't realize just how apolocolyptic it was going to be. In a terrible/funny way his stupid refusal to have a back door in the swarm started the whole mess, but at least he leaned that lesson!
Falchion
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That's what I figured. Bummer because there's been some cool shots like when I've been on huge bridges and want to get the perfect angle.
Twilight Gap
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lol I spoke too soon.
Citizen_Insane
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jesus
I don't get it, what's interesting about exploring in Horizon aside from looking at the sights? You never find interesting NPCs or loot, the settlements are all boring and there aren't any elaborately designed locations to discover either. Like I don't mind running around for 10 minutes or so to look at the visuals but I could never just wander around for an hour just discovering stuff like those other games.
MegaSackman
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I think every one of those games have their world working for their own strenghts. I won't play Zelda but I asume exploring different interactions and dynamic surprises must be one of the cores of the game to build your adventure. You explore for stories in The Witcher III and hunts. You explore for machine combat and lore in Horizon.
I've found quests just by exploring and places that the plot or side quests won't take you. I've fought against many machines of different types just because I was wandering around and I've found documents and audio logs that expands the lore which is one of the game strenghts. I also find the npc interesting, not everyone and they are not award winning characters but they go from ok to good imo.
boujeejamboree
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there's even a clip where he argues with Lis for a back door and GAIA agrees with him. I imagine the reason for his clearance is because he funded and insisted on a back door. All the other Alphas and Sobek thought he had no idea about how the stuff worked, but they'd explain certain elements to him for the funding.
Only on Horizon trees are not safe.
boujeejamboree
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I have to disagree with this. I've found many interesting NPC. Not all of the side quest / errand characters are memorable but a good amount are. Some are also found in out of the way places you have to search for... as for location design, there are places that make my Jaw drop. The ruins are amazing for one....
MagicWithEarvin
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Thunderjaw takedown on Very Hard with minimal HUD. Didn't use its disc launchers against it - just good ol' traps, and freeze / hardpoint / tearblast arrows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNj-l366lAQ
Want to try the corrupted zone with the 2 Rockbreakers on Very Hard without taking damage. Should be a fun challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNj-l366lAQ
Want to try the corrupted zone with the 2 Rockbreakers on Very Hard without taking damage. Should be a fun challenge.
RedlineRonin
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You'll be fine. I was level 50 for the entire back 2/3 of the main quest. It's still challenging (I was playing on hard).
all of my hate
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*plot spoil*
Fuck Faro...
I've been playing for about 14 hours so far,and at first i thought it was just good but as time has gone on i completely love it.As i started to get more weapons and experiment with the combat it's just fantastic.The world is amazing,i just enjoy wandering around looking at the sights.It's also the best looking game i have ever seen in my life,completely unbelievable what guerrilla games have managed to pull off here.
Levels don't matter that much. Your only growth stat is health, which isn't that important compared to resistances and dodging.
Since the gameplay is action based you still have to aim for weak points and plan your strategy. You can't just faceroll content by pure numbers, which I really appreciate.
Twilight Gap
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Some facts about the Thunderjaw I found in one of the E3 vids from a while ago. Can't find a YT link but here:
24m long, 10m wide
93 destructable armor plates
271 animations
67 vfx
12 attacks
550,000 polygons
Wonder if they've released more stats like this.
24m long, 10m wide
93 destructable armor plates
271 animations
67 vfx
12 attacks
550,000 polygons
Wonder if they've released more stats like this.
bigboss370
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Guerrilla Games were always masterclass when it came to technical prowess, but with how amazing the design, music, and storytelling turned out in this game I think they are cemented as one of Sony's top 3 first party studios. The other two being Naughty Dog and Santa Monica.
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Played a ton today as I came down with a cold. I did a couple story missions, but mostly focused on exploring/collectibles and side quests.
I have the map totally filled in now as I climbed all the tall necks, also got all the collectibles (vantage points, vessels, figures and metal flowers) so now I can just focus on the story and side missions/errands.
I'm at a little over 36 hours played and game completion at 62.36%.
I have the map totally filled in now as I climbed all the tall necks, also got all the collectibles (vantage points, vessels, figures and metal flowers) so now I can just focus on the story and side missions/errands.
I'm at a little over 36 hours played and game completion at 62.36%.
They need to allow you to drop your stack of rocks. If you have a load of desert glass and are trying to flip it for resources (you can obtain metalburn) you end up getting stuck with a lots of boxes of rocks. You have to go chucking them if you want to clear out your treasure box inventory.
Haha so I had to fight my first snapjaw today and I was so scurred of fighting it in open combat, I spent 15-20 minutes clearing out every smaller machine in the area, set up like five blast wires between me and the snapjaw, stood at the end of the blast wire maze and shot the snapjaw's canisters with fire arrows, they exploded, it ran at me, hit two of my five traps and completely blew up before it could get to me.
Very happy
Very happy
Then I saw the storm birds and thunderjaws on the way to Meridian and cursed life.
MagicWithEarvin
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Inventory management is one of many big improvements they can make, now or in the sequel.
*plot spoil*
Fuck Faro...
you ain't lying
Haha so I had to fight my first snapjaw today and I was so scurred of fighting it in open combat, I spent 15-20 minutes clearing out every smaller machine in the area, set up like five blast wires between me and the snapjaw, stood at the end of the blast wire maze and shot the snapjaw's canisters with fire arrows, they exploded, it ran at me, hit two of my five traps and completely blew up before it could get to me.
Very happy
Then I saw the storm birds and thunderjaws on the way to Meridian and cursed life.
they are so satisfying to fight though!
texhnolyze
Banned
I beat my first Thunderjaw without using its disc launchers, I had no idea at the time and those are kinda scattered far away from me so I didn't notice. It was quite tense but his attacks are all still pretty easy to dodge. After it's stripped of its parts, it's just a simple charging bull. They need to buff the Thunderjaw.
they need to make the disc launchers a lot harder to break off. like 5x harder. one tearblast arrow and they are gone, with no mods even.
LumpOfCole
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It just about 5 days since I finished this game. I've done a lot of thinking but I think this is one of my favorite single player games ever - definitely my favorite since Mass Effect 2.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Late game impressions:
The reviews really missed the mark on how woefully bad human combat is and how insanely prevalent it is. The game seems to be relying on throwing dozens of stupid human enemies your way that can sometimes take 4 powered up arrows or more to their bare naked face. It's so bad at times I avoid side quests that will make me take on hordes of humans.
Also, the lack of technical polish on cutscene transitions is jarring and disappointing. I hate how audio crosses over itself in the worst way. Aloy can be talking to herself while listening to an audio file while someone is talking to you. I feel they should have made less side quests and instead focused on polishing these things, but I'm sure dev teams don't really work that way.
One last problem I have is some machines rely on cheezing you with area of affect moves that cause you to stumble. It's frustrating.
Overall I love the game and it does deserve praise, but these issues will probably keep me from returning after I have finished. I'm also disappointed that I called the story from the first 2 hours.
BTW, this game desperately needs a clamber feature for chest high rocks and walls.
The reviews really missed the mark on how woefully bad human combat is and how insanely prevalent it is. The game seems to be relying on throwing dozens of stupid human enemies your way that can sometimes take 4 powered up arrows or more to their bare naked face. It's so bad at times I avoid side quests that will make me take on hordes of humans.
Also, the lack of technical polish on cutscene transitions is jarring and disappointing. I hate how audio crosses over itself in the worst way. Aloy can be talking to herself while listening to an audio file while someone is talking to you. I feel they should have made less side quests and instead focused on polishing these things, but I'm sure dev teams don't really work that way.
One last problem I have is some machines rely on cheezing you with area of affect moves that cause you to stumble. It's frustrating.
Overall I love the game and it does deserve praise, but these issues will probably keep me from returning after I have finished. I'm also disappointed that I called the story from the first 2 hours.
BTW, this game desperately needs a clamber feature for chest high rocks and walls.
Get to Meridia. Erend, a person I have a rapport with, asks me to
. Golly mister..sounds like an awful lot of trouble. This isn't even my business.
Walk down the street. "Hey stranger, I've misplaced my sword, can you please go on a 8 leg quest to track it down for me?" Right on it!
Mmmmkay.
look into the death of his sister
Walk down the street. "Hey stranger, I've misplaced my sword, can you please go on a 8 leg quest to track it down for me?" Right on it!
Mmmmkay.
all of my hate
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Damn this game.
*plot spoiler*
*plot spoiler*
We 'bout to the the big fight.
Godspeed, all you polygon characters,,,
Godspeed, all you polygon characters,,,
Aaronology
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Eeeeeeeeh. Earlier I agreed with you on HZD's lackluster settlements, at least in comparison to TW3. On this score though I don't agree at all, and enthusiastically where Skyrim is concerned.
Well Skyrim is always contentious because I have like 200 mods installed so it's basically an entirely different game compared to vanilla.
You're telling me that outside of pure visual fidelity that Horizon is anywhere near as interesting to explore compared to Zelda or Witcher 3? That would make it best game of all time contender for me considering the main story and combat is far better than W3.
Twilight Gap
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Something's up with the share menu in this game. Been noticing that recorded videos have "skips" in them at random periods, like the video jumps ahead a few seconds even though the time hasn't changed. This and the fact that the share menu takes 10-30 seconds (sometimes longer) to show up makes me wonder if it's an issue with owning a physical copy of the game, or the game itself.
Insanely prevalent? I would it put at maybe 80/20 in favor of machines. Have you been exterminating all bandit camps? Personally, I would have preferred Aloy kill less than 10 people all game, or not at all. But one thing Horizon has done that's really outstanding among other open world games is they have mostly eradicated the grunt or infantry class of enemy. Your average GTA mission involves shooting about 50 dudes in the face, Horizon swept a lot of that away. After 50 hours my total human kill count is well under 300.
Finally, with purple mods, one precision arrow head shot takes out a heavy, 2 arrows notched for a shot if you're going for center mass. Everyone else goes down on one breaker hunter arrow to the dome. This is on very difficult.
Chalupa Batman
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What was the trophy you got to get the plat here? I might try to do it in the same place!
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yeah it's very prevalent. Seems like I'm constantly clearing enemy camps, being ambushed, or just stumbling across hostile humans in and out of the main story. Unless I'm roaming the open world, hostile humans are almost always a part of my experience.
My major gripe is how bullet, or should I saw arrow, spongey they can be (not all). A dude with no helmet or protection on the face shouldn't take more than an arrow or two. I'm blasting off freaking heavy metal parts with arrows, you'd think they would destroy flesh.
My human kill count is probably well over 300, but I can't check right now.
Thanks for the tip on purple mods. Maybe it'll make the experience more enjoyable.
Slackbladder
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My first fight with a Stormbird went so-so. But I did enjoy the ending. Boom..wheeeeeee
Tinkerer is secretly the best ability in the game, it lets you swap mods around without a penalty.
Mr. PlayStation
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The transition from gameplay to cut scene is super jarring and the audio gets in the way too many times. Also I faced yet another design issue which I experienced in witcher III as well. When I'm approaching to complete a task for a quest,I accidentally end up stumbling upon one of the 5-6 tasks of another side quest and end up failing to finish the order of tasks for that other quest and this unknowingly happens in this game.
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