ZombiePlatypus
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You can thank Congress and GOP for crippling Obamacare with everything they got. But hey, they have free reign now, so they can fully realize their vision of a royally screwed up Healthcare system.
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How are you dealing with people who voted for Trump?
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You can thank Congress and GOP for crippling Obamacare with everything they got. But hey, they have free reign now, so they can fully realize their vision of a royally screwed up Healthcare system.
Actually, if Hillary had fared better with white, college-educated women (33% to Trump's 66%, somehow), she would have won the Electoral.
There's no reason and no need to lie to those blue collar people. Their jobs are becoming obsolete. We are moving on. They need to plan and think better.
Instead, Trump sold them a bridge.
I'm sure the Trump folks will be offering gilded olive branches overflowing with love and unity any minute now.
I believe DNC needs to learn how to talk on their level with a plan that they can appreciate. Obama did it in '08 and '12. Clinton didn't even campaign in Wisconsin and I think she was pretty light footed in those other states because she assumed they would go blue. DNC has to learn to stay in touch with them and how to get them on the same page with a plan that works for them, too.
I am baffled at how educated women voted for Trump. It makes zero sense to me. They gain absolutely nothing.
Lol she did? Anyone gonna still defend the electoral college now?
The only plan they want to appreciate is "Your job will be safe. Don't worry."
That's a lie. But that's what they want.
She did, indeed. The Electoral College is a joke.
Man, having a really hard time not going off on family members posting shit on Facebook. Keep telling myself it's not worth fucking up our otherwise decent relationship.
Trump?
What, you think he tweeted about what a mistake the electoral college is and how it should be dismantled back in 2012?
WRONG!
Trump?
What, you think he tweeted about what a mistake the electoral college is and how it should be dismantled back in 2012?
WRONG!
Already Torn
Banned
Thanksgivings gonna be interesting this year.
Okay, then maybe the DNC needs to do a better job at illustrating how there's no going back while reassuring them they aren't left behind.
I don't think the answer is to lie to them. They'll wise up when it doesn't work under Trump and expect something different in candidates in 2020.
I guess we lucked out in that case. My wife is giving birth December 2nd, so she'll be too pregnant to travel anywhere for Thanksgiving.
Hopefully all this bullshit will have subsided a bit by the time we visit them next, early next year.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Im British so I dont have to worry about coming across any Trump voters but I do want to share my opinion on something.
This common responses of people saying that liberals are just as bad as conservatives/republicans/trump voters etc. because they are intolerant of intolerance or that we need to be working with these people to change their opinions and not chastise them for them.
While in theory I do subscribe to the truth that education and understanding will help prevent this sort of opinion and hatred from spreading, there is also a truth that for many people you simply cant change their opinion without them wanting to change and the chances of that happening are slim to none.
The reason many liberals are at a stage where when they find out someone voted for Brexit or they voted for Trump that they decide to just cut them out of their life or tell them their opinion is because we have spent plenty of time already trying to convince people to think differently. I know I have spent a tonne of time having those conversations, being understanding and holding my tongue and trying to sway their opinion with facts and logic and the result has normally been pointless and they have kept to their opinions.
Also, this idea of hah, liberals are meant to be understanding and caring yet they are shitting on Trump supporters. They are just as bad is damn ridiculous. There is a difference between You dont like Game of Thrones, FUCK YOU! and You support and helped a political group that believes in racist, sexist and discriminatory beliefs get into power, gain the ability to change law that will negatively affect many people (disproportionally BAME and LGBT groups) and also empower everyday people who hold this belief to feel that they can now be true to themselves and harm others. I cannot ethically be associated with you anymore.
To try and use liberals anger as a gotcha moment to justify your own terrible beliefs is disingenuous and just helps add to the logical reasons why you get people react to you the way they do.
This common responses of people saying that liberals are just as bad as conservatives/republicans/trump voters etc. because they are intolerant of intolerance or that we need to be working with these people to change their opinions and not chastise them for them.
While in theory I do subscribe to the truth that education and understanding will help prevent this sort of opinion and hatred from spreading, there is also a truth that for many people you simply cant change their opinion without them wanting to change and the chances of that happening are slim to none.
The reason many liberals are at a stage where when they find out someone voted for Brexit or they voted for Trump that they decide to just cut them out of their life or tell them their opinion is because we have spent plenty of time already trying to convince people to think differently. I know I have spent a tonne of time having those conversations, being understanding and holding my tongue and trying to sway their opinion with facts and logic and the result has normally been pointless and they have kept to their opinions.
Also, this idea of hah, liberals are meant to be understanding and caring yet they are shitting on Trump supporters. They are just as bad is damn ridiculous. There is a difference between You dont like Game of Thrones, FUCK YOU! and You support and helped a political group that believes in racist, sexist and discriminatory beliefs get into power, gain the ability to change law that will negatively affect many people (disproportionally BAME and LGBT groups) and also empower everyday people who hold this belief to feel that they can now be true to themselves and harm others. I cannot ethically be associated with you anymore.
To try and use liberals anger as a gotcha moment to justify your own terrible beliefs is disingenuous and just helps add to the logical reasons why you get people react to you the way they do.
Robottiimu2000
Member
This is why it's so hard and weird trying to understand the rest of you?
It's like you see person drowning into a lake, and you look to the person next to you and say "hey, let's go and help him" and he goes, "whats innit for me"... and you go o.0
That's the only silver lining here. They've done nothing but hide and obfuscate any responsibility, off-set their badness on Democrats. For the next 2 years, every single thing that goes wrong in this country is on them. You've got what you asked for, now you better damn well do something productive with it.
While this is a very unpopular opinion here, it's absolutely the truth. I didn't support Trump and am pretty nervous about his presidency, but living in a red state means I'm surrounded by Trump supporters. Many of these people feel marginalized, with half the country has continually calling them every insult under the sun. People who have political disagreements with Obama have been called racist for eight years. People who feel the squeeze from how globalism has affected their jobs via outsourcing and immigration are called racist. Just openly saying you aren't voting Democrat often earns you the label of racist. People are fed up, especially those working class whites who feel they are ignored and made fun of by everybody. Trump spoke to those groups and won as a result. Continuing to just call them stupid and racist isn't going to fix anything and continue the divide that we have in this country.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The problem with a lot of Trump supporters that is more insidious and troublesome than overt bigotry and racism, is that many of them seem to fall into the "but does racism REALLY exist?" category. These are the "oh Trump doesn't really mean any of that, he's just getting attention by acting outrageous" type persons.
And so a lot of Trump supporters have worked hard to shutter their eyes about what Trump has rallied around himself and encouraged. What he has taken advantage of to gain at least a portion of his support.
It's an old story. People who refuse to believe there's a problem acting as a shield for those with malicious intent. We can go on all day about being above political divides and the many varied and possibly legitimate reasons someone would have supported Trump. But in the end it's extremely difficult to look into the eyes of a person who excuses a huge amount of terrible things in order to get something they want - even if they might deserve that thing.
For example, say that Trump somehow comes through on a revolution for the middle class and whites who have been left behind and economically devastated in rural areas and the rust belt. That's great, no sarcasm. And if it comes at the cost of the GOP betraying core American values, destroying civil rights, making life miserable for millions and tacitly supporting racists to harm people and even take lives?
That's not a trade-off that can be dismissed as just more politics, things we don't talk about in polite company in Pleasantville.
And so a lot of Trump supporters have worked hard to shutter their eyes about what Trump has rallied around himself and encouraged. What he has taken advantage of to gain at least a portion of his support.
It's an old story. People who refuse to believe there's a problem acting as a shield for those with malicious intent. We can go on all day about being above political divides and the many varied and possibly legitimate reasons someone would have supported Trump. But in the end it's extremely difficult to look into the eyes of a person who excuses a huge amount of terrible things in order to get something they want - even if they might deserve that thing.
For example, say that Trump somehow comes through on a revolution for the middle class and whites who have been left behind and economically devastated in rural areas and the rust belt. That's great, no sarcasm. And if it comes at the cost of the GOP betraying core American values, destroying civil rights, making life miserable for millions and tacitly supporting racists to harm people and even take lives?
That's not a trade-off that can be dismissed as just more politics, things we don't talk about in polite company in Pleasantville.
Fox Mulder
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Yes, because Obama was totally given a chance at all from the other side. The very man backed by the kkk and who led the racist birther movement that people still believe is now president.
Obamacare sucks, but morons rewarded the years of obstructionism that caused it to fail. Republican governors fucked their own citizens to kill it.
Glass Shark
Banned
I used to be one of these people and looking back on who I was 10 years ago is maddening now. How did I not see the world for how it really is?
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
I don't have a problem with people who voted for Trump. It's the racist ones I can't fucking stand.
Glass Shark
Banned
So all of them?
Kadin
Member
I only know of one friend of mine who voted for Trump and needless to say, he was incredibly happy last night. I was never a die-hard Hillary fan, just not so much a Trump fan. If he chooses to be really smug about it, that's fine. I know I'd probably be that myself a little bit if Hillary had won. So I'm just gonna let him enjoy his victory and I'm just going to let it be. Nothing I can do will change what's happened so I'm not gonna spend much energy trying to debate any more.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That's all of them champ. Passive racism is still racism at the end of the day.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
So you're honky-dory with those complacent in letting bigots run the country? Wish I had such forgiveness. Honestly the line between racist and ignorance draws thinner for me every day. There's no excuse to be blind to the troubles minorities face in this country. None other than being a bigot. Ignorance is no longer acceptable.
bengraven
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I have blocked most Trump supporters today. I promised myself I wouldn't, but I'm seeing so many offensive things posted that I was losing more and more respect for people I cared about.
I couldn't block my parents, so I'm having to chew my tongue on social media, but I can't ignore it completely because my closest friends have been a shining beacon of hope right now.
It's a bit frustrating to see so many people who said "don't gloat" in 2012 in fact gloating like crazy now. Also can't wait to see their reaction to "not my president" when they are all members of a group called Not My President on Facebook.
Apparently according to the guy who runs God Bless the President, Facebook refuses to let you change the name of your group, so he might close it down. It's a shame, the guy is intelligent, doesn't post low blow nonsense.
I couldn't block my parents, so I'm having to chew my tongue on social media, but I can't ignore it completely because my closest friends have been a shining beacon of hope right now.
It's a bit frustrating to see so many people who said "don't gloat" in 2012 in fact gloating like crazy now. Also can't wait to see their reaction to "not my president" when they are all members of a group called Not My President on Facebook.
Apparently according to the guy who runs God Bless the President, Facebook refuses to let you change the name of your group, so he might close it down. It's a shame, the guy is intelligent, doesn't post low blow nonsense.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Things like this show me exactly why - IMO - DNC folks are just as big a bigot and hypocrites as the GOP ones.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
"What? You don't tolerate people who at the very least passively support racism, xenophobia, and sexism? How dare you, you're just as bad as them1!1"
^
This is what you fucking sound like right now. See the issue? If not, read the following link, if that doesn't help, you need gain some self awareness ASAP.
Frozenprince
Banned
I'm British. I know maybe one Trump supporter IRL, he's a colleague and it's my last day at that job tomorrow. Hoping he's not in. After that I won't have to deal with him.
I know a few more online and I'll be distancing myself from them. I know so many wonderful, tolerant people - yes, even some right-wingers who I deeply disagree with politically. They're the people who deserve my attention, not alt-righters, conspiracy theorists and bigots.
I know a few more online and I'll be distancing myself from them. I know so many wonderful, tolerant people - yes, even some right-wingers who I deeply disagree with politically. They're the people who deserve my attention, not alt-righters, conspiracy theorists and bigots.
The same way I did before yesterday, quite disdain. Though parts of that is because I live in Utah, and a good chunk of Trump voters I meant are the hypocrites who preach family values and the collapse of morals in America only to turn around and vote for a man that is pretty much the embodiment of what they complain about, Donald J. Trump.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
I'm ignoring them. I live in an area where Trump signs reigned supreme, so I expected this sort of insanity if he won.
Sidenote: A lady at work was crying today because her sister voted for Trump and now she's afraid she's going to lose her insurance. Fuck this fucking country.
Sidenote: A lady at work was crying today because her sister voted for Trump and now she's afraid she's going to lose her insurance. Fuck this fucking country.
GrandHarrier
Member
No healing. No coming together.
LegendofLex
Member
Chances are my wife is never going to speak to the vast majority of people on my side of the family ever again. She no longer trusts them not to harass her and make her feel uncomfortable after the response she's seen to the results.
I won't do that, but that's a product of
1) my white male privilege
2) them still being my family
I won't do that, but that's a product of
1) my white male privilege
2) them still being my family
Messofanego
Banned
Should probably let you know, Trump supporters are far better off ($72K) than Clinton supporters or the national average incomes. So, it's a myth that Trump is only speaking to the working class. His base are upper middle class whites.
The mythology of Trump's working class support
Triggerhappytel
Member
So your mother wanted the end of Obamacare, while actually making use of Obamacare?!
Ploid 3.0
Member
I'm actually looking forward to his screw ups, broken promises, and their reactions. Sure he won't have a congress that shoots everything he tries to do down no matter how small, but he will make for some embarrassing moments. That's my only silver lining, the comedy that will be produced from this.
frogger
Member
Now I want to see if he will actually build the wall and deport all of the Illegal immigrants like he said he will do. If he do follow up on those promise, there will be a social uproar, and the economy will probably collapse. If he doesn't he is not different than other politician, these alt-right people will be pissed.
Megalosaro
Banned
This morning, my boss, a trump supporter, clapped me on the shoulder and said "we witnessed a revolution last night". I'm the only white male in my office.
It went dead silent. It was pretty awkward.
I voted h dawg btw
It went dead silent. It was pretty awkward.
I voted h dawg btw
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Condolences
Glass Shark
Banned
It's continually baffling to me that people equate "I don't want to talk to or interact with Trump supporters" with "I don't believe racism exists and I think LGBTQ people are subhuman"
but tell me about "divide" tho
but tell me about "divide" tho
Milly Osworth
Member
This question is so incredibly anti democratic. How to deal with the more than half of your country that voted on someone you didnt vote for? Damn.
Glass Shark
Banned
I support their right to vote for whatever racist asshole they want, but it doesn't mean I have to be best friends with them.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
We may disagree on politics but they are my family and friends. I will love them until the day I die.
The regressives in the left don't want a democracy, they want an authoritarian state where only their opinions matter. True liberals, like myself, fight for the rights of the people we disagree with even if it means we might lose an election somewhere down the road.
The regressives in the left don't want a democracy, they want an authoritarian state where only their opinions matter. True liberals, like myself, fight for the rights of the people we disagree with even if it means we might lose an election somewhere down the road.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Blind acceptance isn't democracy
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