OsirisBlack
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At this point Im not sure its possible.
In before 5 pages of "do exactly what Sony and Microsoft do, with nothing interesting at all to differentiate you!" a strategy that would sink Nintendo faster than the Titanic.
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In before 5 pages of "do exactly what Sony and Microsoft do, with nothing interesting at all to differentiate you!" a strategy that would sink Nintendo faster than the Titanic.
Fake edit: Oops, too late.
In before 5 pages of "do exactly what Sony and Microsoft do, with nothing interesting at all to differentiate you!" a strategy that would sink Nintendo faster than the Titanic.
Fake edit: Oops, too late.
Nintendo has the strongest set of IPs and the best 1st party developers. I don't see why a cheap Nintendo machine that's powerful enough to compete couldn't dominate.
In before 5 pages of "do exactly what Sony and Microsoft do, with nothing interesting at all to differentiate you!" a strategy that would sink Nintendo faster than the Titanic.
Fake edit: Oops, too late.
I don't think of the Wii U as a failure. In fact, it's my favourite of the current gen systems. However, there's no denying that it's not nearly as successful as Nintendo's previous consoles.
I think doing these things might help their next system:
-ditch gimmicks, focus on traditional controls
-make similar hardware to the competition for more 3rd party support akin to the GameCube
-more online features, the stuff on Wii U was a great start
I think Nintendo trapped themselves in a niche where only the hardcore gamers will buy their home consoles. It might be profitable, but I don't see why Nintendo shouldn't be a little more aggressive in the console market.
Not sure if it's been said ITT, but Nintendo hasn't yet lost this gen. It's not over yet. With a proper marketing push and a Wii Sports Resort 2 (now in HD!) they could probably once again trounce everyone. The good games on Wii are not what sold the Wii.
The fact that they continually sell as poorly as they do tells me their first party IPs are not as strong as people like to think they are. I know it comes across as blasphemous to say this but at some point we need to maybe come to grips with the fact that for an increasingly large part of the console consumer base the Xbox and Playstation brands, and everything that goes along with them (1st party software, hardware, 3rd party relationships, online infrastructure and ecosystem) carry much more weight and appeal than Nintendo.
Not sure if it's been said ITT, but Nintendo hasn't yet lost this gen. It's not over yet. With a proper marketing push and a Wii Sports Resort 2 (now in HD!) they could probably once again trounce everyone. The good games on Wii are not what sold the Wii.
I'm having a hard time deciding if this is a master troll, or if anyone really IS this delusional
1st party software doesn't seem to matter that much on the other consoles either though. PS4 is winning by having the most powerful place to play 3rd party games. They certainly aren't selling it off compelling first party software. But yes, Nintendo's first party struggles outside of a few exceptions. Even Mario is struggling, but Mario Kart seems to be trucking along. SSB didn't seem to sell many consoles, though, despite good software numbers.
I'm surprised by how much the industry has moved to (seemingly?) almost exclusively M-rated games, something Nintendo doesn't do. So Nintendo is straddling this weird line between trying to appeal to their diminishing children market (who are moving on to iPads) and a more hardcore audience (who is typically served better elsewhere).
1st party software doesn't seem to matter that much on the other consoles either though. PS4 is winning by having the most powerful place to play 3rd party games. They certainly aren't selling it off compelling first party software. But yes, Nintendo's first party struggles outside of a few exceptions. Even Mario is struggling, but Mario Kart seems to be trucking along. SSB didn't seem to sell many consoles, though, despite good software numbers.
I'm surprised by how much the industry has moved to (seemingly?) almost exclusively M-rated games, something Nintendo doesn't do. So Nintendo is straddling this weird line between trying to appeal to their diminishing children market (who are moving on to iPads) and a more hardcore audience (who is typically served better elsewhere).
Nintendo has the strongest set of IPs and the best 1st party developers. I don't see why a cheap Nintendo machine that's powerful enough to compete couldn't dominate.
How are you and so many others so sure of this?
You clearly didn't read the thread.
I think they are screwed personally.
So far this gen Nintendo's sold ~60m hardware units to PlayStation's ~30m and Xbox's ~10m. Nintendo brands still have mass appeal, even if their home console's a flop they still might end up selling more hardware this gen than any other console maker. And they're doing this on the back of mainly just their own portfolio.The fact that they continually sell as poorly as they do tells me their first party IPs are not as strong as people like to think they are. I know it comes across as blasphemous to say this but at some point we need to maybe come to grips with the fact that for an increasingly large part of the console consumer base the Xbox and Playstation brands, and everything that goes along with them (1st party software, hardware, 3rd party relationships, online infrastructure and ecosystem) carry much more weight and appeal than Nintendo.
Sonys first and second party software has been moving quite a few units for a long time now, and they have quite a stable of critical and commercial hits to use.
I could throw out sales for Gran Turismo, Uncharted, or TLOU all day, but it's not really necessary. Look at the hype threads for Bloodborne or The Order. First party software is most certainly a strength for Sony right now.
Sonys first and second party software has been moving quite a few units for a long time now, and they have quite a stable of critical and commercial hits to use.
I could throw out sales for Gran Turismo, Uncharted, or TLOU all day, but it's not really necessary. Look at the hype threads for Bloodborne or The Order. First party software is most certainly a strength for Sony right now.
Are you sure you read the thread? At least a third of the posts are exactly what I wrote, with minor variations.
That will not make a difference. At this point, consumers will end up picking Sony and Microsoft for their third party fix.
Honestly, all I want are unique games from them and a unified account.
They are only struggling because of the platform, not the IP. If Mario Kart releases on PS4 say in 4 years after its almost EOL at say120 million they would probably sell just as many as the Wii MK did imo.
Sonys first and second party software has been moving quite a few units for a long time now, and they have quite a stable of critical and commercial hits to use.
I could throw out sales for Gran Turismo, Uncharted, or TLOU all day, but it's not really necessary. Look at the hype threads for Bloodborne or The Order. First party software is most certainly a strength for Sony right now.
They are only struggling because of the platform, not the IP. If Mario Kart releases on PS4 say in 4 years after its almost EOL at say120 million they would probably sell just as many as the Wii MK did imo.
Most 3rd party games are PS4/PC or XBone/PC. Guess what I'm getting...
Right now, PCs feel like the console experience of old. I click buy, I click install, the install is now fairly fast and painless, then I'm on my way to play. I don't want to scroll through channels. I don't want to diddle with the dash board.
Pipe dreams in so many regards. The ecosystem on the ps4 (or consoles in general) isn't conducive to that kind of software, as evidenced by sales and current software support.
Commercial success and critical success are 2 different things. Ask Nintendo.
First party software is not why the PS4 is selling. All the blood borne hype threads aren't going to make the game sell significantly more software than dark souls, no matter it's hype
They killed the wii too early and I think that has hurt their sales for wii U. Even with MS xbox one and Sony's PS4 currently in stores. When I visit any game stores here in the UK I can clearly see there still spaces for ps3 and x360 games, consoles and accessories.
by not making a console with hardware that's so far behind. simple as that.
Sony has commercial AND critical success under its belt. Demons souls was a runaway hit on the ps3, which is why we got Dark Souls to begin with.
Bloodborne will sell as well as Dark Souls, and easily better than DS2, assuming the quality of the game is high and we don't run into any crazy issues like Driveclub did.
The Order and Uncharted 4 are both going to put up numbers Dark Souls couldnt dream of.
The ps4 has been selling for lots of reasons, but pretending that no one is anticipating follow ups to their commercially successful games of last gen (TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, gran turismo, heavy rain, demons souls, LBP, Journey, etc) is laughable.
sörine;150679742 said:So far this gen Nintendo's sold ~60m hardware units to PlayStation's ~30m and Xbox's ~10m. Nintendo brands still have mass appeal, even if their home console's a flop they still might end up selling more hardware this gen than any other console maker. And they're doing this on the back of mainly just their own portfolio.
sörine;150679742 said:So far this gen Nintendo's sold ~60m hardware units to PlayStation's ~30m and Xbox's ~10m. Nintendo brands still have mass appeal, even if their home console's a flop they still might end up selling more hardware this gen than any other console maker. And they're doing this on the back of mainly just their own portfolio.
and like one poster said earlier it started with PlayStation.
How many million copies did demons souls sell? How many million is the order going to sell? How many copies did gta and call of duty sell? How many copies did mario kart 8 sell on the miniscule player base of the wii u?
Pipe dreams in so many regards. The ecosystem on the ps4 (or consoles in general) isn't conducive to that kind of software, as evidenced by sales and current software support.
Commercial success and critical success are 2 different things. Ask Nintendo.
First party software is not why the PS4 is selling. All the blood borne hype threads aren't going to make the game sell significantly more software than dark souls, no matter it's hype
Pipe dreams in so many regards. The ecosystem on the ps4 (or consoles in general) isn't conducive to that kind of software, as evidenced by sales and current software support.
Tell us again how the GameCube was a monster hit, oh wise one
They already have the marketshare they've always had in the home console space.
Take a look at their trajectory.
Started at the top with NES
Went higher with SNES
Dropped large with the N64
Dropped even more with the GCN
Crazy high with the Wii - outlier
Dropped even more with the WiiU compared to the GCN
Nintendo has been on a steady decline since the SNES. The Wii was a massive abnormality. The N64 is when they started to do weird things and it's never paid off except with the Wii but that wasn't sustainable. They'd better get back to basics with the next console or they'll continue their downward trend.
Notice I didn't say hardware. Im talking about home consoles. 3DS is not a home console. It's been clear for a long time that Nintendo's success in the handheld market doesn't translate over to home consoles because it's an entirely different audience. And their handheld business is in a pretty clear decline as well. They need to be worried that the 3DS successor isn't the handheld version of the GameCube or Wii U.
The Wii was lightning in the bottle that they're likely never going to catch again.