TheGreatDivide
Banned
That's fine. That's not the same as requiring a Wiimote.
No game will ever require one unless the publishers are insane.
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How does Nintendo justify canceling the revolution?
- Thread starter Thrakier
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That's fine. That's not the same as requiring a Wiimote.
No game will ever require one unless the publishers are insane.
Any game with local multiplayer for more than 2 people.
I don't see how Just Dance 4 could be played without a wiimote, I'm 95% sure it will require it. The 2 previous opus sold about 10 millions each with this wiimote set up, suicidal indeed.
And he meant Wii U Sports: Nintendo Land.
It's already insane that they have so many titles requiring the Wii Remote for various modes/activities. And what about Wii Fit U? Will that have three bundles? One with the balance board and remote, one with the balance board, and one with the software&Fit Meter only?
But as Nintendo didn't even put in a charging cable with the 3DS XL, I doubt that a Wii Remote Plus will be bundles with the Wii U.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
The sooner Nintendo drops the Wiimote the better off they'll be.
This poor guy is getting swarmed but I think he made a few good points. Remind me never to make a thread questioning something about Nintendo's decision-making and strategy.
This poor guy is getting swarmed but I think he made a few good points. Remind me never to make a thread questioning something about Nintendo's decision-making and strategy.
These are exclusive features to use the GamePad on top of wiimotes. We won't have to dance holding the GamePad
These are exclusive features to use the GamePad on top of wiimotes. We won't have to dance holding the GamePad
Absolutely. I would not call the game playable without a Wii Remote.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Some will continue gaming on the ipad, some on the wiiu, some on the next xbox, it doesn't matter, the gaming market is bigger than ever before and gaming is part of our culture now, it's something everyone does and it's ok to spend time doing it.
That's a culturalrevolution for you.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Wii U launch window games that have a good amount of Wiimote functionality are that way because they started development as a Wii title (I think Pikmin was confirmed to have) and once the generation rolls on they'll gradually become extinct except for the most casual type of games (exercise games and similar), at least this is what I hope.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
The motion control game killer app has already been done, Wii Sports.
Even the mass market consumers know this.
Nintendo have already exploited motion controls beyond their wildest expectations.
It makes sense not to flog the dead horse any longer. This gimmick already out stayed it's welcome with the Wii.
With the growth of tablet sales at the expense of PCs and laptops, it makes sense to target what's currently hot in consumer's minds.
I'll be amazed if any worth while unique game play experiences come out of it though.
From what Nintendo have shown so far, I can say that for the foreseeable future I definitely won't be buying it - no matter what the price.
Even the mass market consumers know this.
Nintendo have already exploited motion controls beyond their wildest expectations.
It makes sense not to flog the dead horse any longer. This gimmick already out stayed it's welcome with the Wii.
With the growth of tablet sales at the expense of PCs and laptops, it makes sense to target what's currently hot in consumer's minds.
I'll be amazed if any worth while unique game play experiences come out of it though.
From what Nintendo have shown so far, I can say that for the foreseeable future I definitely won't be buying it - no matter what the price.
I'm a gamer, and I disagree.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Today, 02:35 PM, Post #109
And this guy knows.
Dude just look at that one thread where the OP asks people who don't like nintendo games what they play and look at how many people in there say they can't understand how someone can not like nintendo. These people are not completely stable.
I agree with the wiimote and motion in general. It has to go and thankfully Nintendo is steering in that direction. Gamers and even non gamers (the ones who play the online shooters on xbox and ps3) have almost unanimously turned their backs on it.
Sorry, I stopped reading here. That is complete nonsense. The fact that you didn't even provide arguments as to why the Wii failed as a console only confirmes my suspicion that your statment only refects your personal taste and that you just didn't like what the Wii offered to you.
What's that, a hidden "Wii sucks" thread again? It's fine if you don't like something, but objectively speaking the Wii games libary is pretty, pretty good, and the whole concept with motion controls very good/well excecuted!
H_Prestige
Banned
There were some wii games that were compatible with the gamecube controller. How many other games were? None, because it wasn't part of the system.
TheGreatDivide
Banned
The Wii was a failure in that it didn't create a userbase who actively wanted to keep playing games on it. That's obvious by its complete drop off the last few years. Yes, it has games, yes some people like playing the games, but compared to PS3 or 360 Nintendo haven't created a valuable platform with Wii.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Lol thats because the people u asked are mon and pops who only play Wii games... no real gamer would ever get caught playing some motion control bullshit!
Captain Smoker
Member
We have motion sensores in every gaming device today.
Nintendo can't afford to produce a Wii HD with the same controls, the potential market is too small, people wan't to see new things.
That's why we get the Wii U Pad (incl. gyroscope), simple as that.
Like Iwata said, 3D won't be the main selling point for their next handheld, but it's going to be a standard component.
/arrogant mode
Nintendo can't afford to produce a Wii HD with the same controls, the potential market is too small, people wan't to see new things.
That's why we get the Wii U Pad (incl. gyroscope), simple as that.
Like Iwata said, 3D won't be the main selling point for their next handheld, but it's going to be a standard component.
You aren't a real gamer either.
/arrogant mode
Spieler Eins
Member
hm, a slight glance over the post history suggests that this might actually be a serious post. My god...
Is it me or are these kind of posts a lot more frequent lately?
Holy shit. I glossed over it assuming a troll. I don't come here for that shit.
What was the percentage of wii launch games that used GC controllers? Now compare it with the percentage of Wii U games in the launch lineup that use wiimotes, and you'll get how things are completely different.
Just Dance 3 sold almost as much as Halo 3.
This thread is going down the shitter pretty fast... - I'm out! Let the kiddies/hip bro's, who are soo soo soo cool, because they ONLY play games with dual analog - which itself is a factual inferior control sheme for quite a few generes - INCLUDING FPS - continue poluting this thread and (hopefully) get banned.
H_Prestige
Banned
All of the games are made by Nintendo.
Sony makes plenty of move games. Where's all the other support? Third parties aren't interested in selling peripherals. It's not their problem.
the only way these people are going to learn is when they see it happen once again. They're oblivious otherwise to reality. Not once has a non-packed in controller ever been used in a primary fashion over a systems long term. Not once.
I play Motion Control games & I'm a real gamer.
TheGreatDivide
Banned
Yeah, that's not my point at all. I said people played games on Wii. How many of them kept playing games? How many people are still buying games for Wii?
I guess you missed Ubisoft games at E3.
H_Prestige
Banned
What's even funnier is that some people are saying wii u pad is also a motion controller as a counter to the OP. Yeah, just like the dualshock3 is a motion controller right? Some real possibilities there lol.
Cool, anything else?
Captain Smoker
Member
Wii > PS360 (Offline)
Software shipments (Fiscal Year)
Code:
PS3 Wii
FY3 07 13.300.000 30.140.000
FY3 08 57.900.000 124.540.000
FY3 09 103.700.000 210.970.000
FY3 10 115.600.000 198.620.000
FY3 11 147.900.000 176.650.000
FY3 12 156.600.000 105.350.000Enough I would say.
Wii U gets released this holiday.
TheGreatDivide
Banned
If you want to pretend that drop off is typical for the market leading console of a generation, than go ahead.
Captain Smoker
Member
I didn't say anything, I just posted a chart, you can interprete it however you wan't.
Fact is, Wii market is saturated up to 70% and the successor gets released this holiday.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Anyway, I wouldn't say Wii failed. However, I am quite concerned about Nintendo's current strategy. The GamePad's limit is Wii U's fundamental weakness. For local multiplayer, developers have to implement some form of asymmetrical gameplay specifically for the GamePad user or ignore the second screen altogether.
The problem is that every one of Nintendo's control methods offer an advantage over the other. The GamePad has a second screen. The Wii Remote has motion controls and infrared aiming. Finally, we can actually use four Pro Controllers. Some people will say that Nintendo is just offering options. Options are good, right? I see Nintendo failing to commit to a universal control interface.
How long do you think asymmetrical gameplay will last? How long before developers quit coming up with ideas and just create multiplayer without the use of the second screen? How will online work with asymmetrical gameplay? Every local multiplayer game will have to use either the Pro Controller or the Wii Remote.
The problem is that every one of Nintendo's control methods offer an advantage over the other. The GamePad has a second screen. The Wii Remote has motion controls and infrared aiming. Finally, we can actually use four Pro Controllers. Some people will say that Nintendo is just offering options. Options are good, right? I see Nintendo failing to commit to a universal control interface.
How long do you think asymmetrical gameplay will last? How long before developers quit coming up with ideas and just create multiplayer without the use of the second screen? How will online work with asymmetrical gameplay? Every local multiplayer game will have to use either the Pro Controller or the Wii Remote.
I think OP could had made a better title for this thread, but I agree with some of his points.
The Wiimote, as a motion-control device, had it's share of problems and doesn't work on all genres, but it was still a control scheme that could had been improved just like the NES controller was improved in the transition to SNES one. But instead of improving the controller and address it's flaws (More buttons with better placement and and other possible improvements), Nintendo goes back to a traditional joystick with it's own improvement (touch screen).
Even if Wiimote comes in the package, it seems that Nintendo didn't even bother to improve anything except maybe motion+. No extra buttons or placement. It feels like Nintendo simply gave up trying to sell motion control for gamers and developers and is leaving it there because of convenience (It's wireless control, easy to link to the console and appeal to retro compatibility).
And now it comes the main problem in my opinion. If Wiimote and Nunchaku does not come packaged on WiiU, then it's a no-brainer that most developers, and I'll include Nintendo ones too, won't even bother with the Wiimote option.
If it does come packaged with the console, then developers will focus their efforts on the UPad as main control scheme. If they make optional control schemes, none of them will fully take advantage of their capabilities because of the other. Hell, In a Online FPS, Wiimote users would completely destroy UPad user. I know there will be games with both options and great schemes and combined implementations, but most won't.
And I'm not going to lie, ZombiU looks like a really awesome game, but mostly because of the concept of the game itself. I didn't think the use of Upad that OMG and I think I would rather play with the Wiimote. And I honestly would be more excited to play Arkham City on WiiU if it supported the Wiimote and Nunchaku.
The Wiimote, as a motion-control device, had it's share of problems and doesn't work on all genres, but it was still a control scheme that could had been improved just like the NES controller was improved in the transition to SNES one. But instead of improving the controller and address it's flaws (More buttons with better placement and and other possible improvements), Nintendo goes back to a traditional joystick with it's own improvement (touch screen).
Even if Wiimote comes in the package, it seems that Nintendo didn't even bother to improve anything except maybe motion+. No extra buttons or placement. It feels like Nintendo simply gave up trying to sell motion control for gamers and developers and is leaving it there because of convenience (It's wireless control, easy to link to the console and appeal to retro compatibility).
And now it comes the main problem in my opinion. If Wiimote and Nunchaku does not come packaged on WiiU, then it's a no-brainer that most developers, and I'll include Nintendo ones too, won't even bother with the Wiimote option.
If it does come packaged with the console, then developers will focus their efforts on the UPad as main control scheme. If they make optional control schemes, none of them will fully take advantage of their capabilities because of the other. Hell, In a Online FPS, Wiimote users would completely destroy UPad user. I know there will be games with both options and great schemes and combined implementations, but most won't.
And I'm not going to lie, ZombiU looks like a really awesome game, but mostly because of the concept of the game itself. I didn't think the use of Upad that OMG and I think I would rather play with the Wiimote. And I honestly would be more excited to play Arkham City on WiiU if it supported the Wiimote and Nunchaku.
This proved you wrong already, but yes there are others. Tank Tank Tank, Trine 2 from the top of my head.
Do you understand the meaning of these percentages? The picture makes no claim to the absolute time spent doing stuff on any of the consoles.
Wii > PS360 (Offline)
Captain Smoker
Member
Anyway, your statement doesn't make sense in this case, because the Wii isn't a "typical" product.
If we look at this current generation value curve...
...you can see that the Wii system has a different appeal than the HD twins.
This said, I made this chart:
In the case of the Wii, it's a "typical decline", but not in the sense of common market strategies we're used to.
The black line represents the PS3 and X360 (but it should be a bit wider and more flat).
Captain Smoker
Member
You're right, didn't see it.
I found this image, shows the Wii at the 3rd position. (only USA)
TheGreatDivide
Banned
The point is, Wii was sold as a product, not a platform. People who buy 360s and PS3 are far more likely to invest in the platform than Wii owners are. Seeing as the supposed plan for Wii was to turn casuals in to gamers, I don't see how it can be seen as anything but a failure in terms of cultivating a market.
Moving away from a gimmick controller like the Wiimote to something that at least potentially has value in typical gaming is a smart move, and it doesn't surprise me that Nintendo have made it. Wii U is "different" without damaging it's potential to be a good games platform.
Moving away from a gimmick controller like the Wiimote to something that at least potentially has value in typical gaming is a smart move, and it doesn't surprise me that Nintendo have made it. Wii U is "different" without damaging it's potential to be a good games platform.
Bony Manifesto
Member
If we look at this current generation value curve...
...you can see that the Wii system has a different appeal than the HD twins.
That graph... I think I'm going to be sick...
Graphics Horse
Member
I still think they may include one in the box, but then these days handhelds aren't even sold with a means of charging them.
Captain Smoker
Member
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I don't see why they need to considering how many Wiimotes are out there. They could also just put out optional game bundles like they did with Wii Play and with Motion Plus/Remote Plus for every Plus enabled game, as well as continue to offer them stand alone.
I don't think they ARE abandoning anything though. I think the Wii was about motion gaming and that's it. A new way to play and interact with the games. Now, I realize Sony has essentially (with tweaks) had the same controller since the original PlayStation but that's no reason for other companies to not explore new and different options as a main control scheme. The Pad is similar in some ways to a more standard controller but it's different in crucial ways as well. It's got motion sensing, it's got a camera, it's got the screen of course.
More fundamentally though, Nintendo is the only company offering (and practically DEMANDING) that people use asymmetric game play for multiplayer experiences. For me that's the REAL revolution. I think it allows users to almost double the replayability of many experiences because it allows users to get a completely unique and different experience with unique challenges that essentially force a whole new approach and way of thinking about the way you're playing a game. To me, that IS the revolution, it's just an evolution of it.
And I'm guessing that doesn't include a pack in game like Wii Sports/Resort.
POWERSPHERE
Member
As long as people still make FPSs and Resident Evil 4 part 2 comes out for Wii U using the wiimote & nunchuk, the dream will never die.