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Nope. The Switch is still competing with XSX and PS5. There's a reason Nintendo is making a Switch Pro.
Probably third party like CoD, Fifa.
Nope. The Switch is still competing with XSX and PS5. There's a reason Nintendo is making a Switch Pro.
Even though XSS is doing 512p, I would pick it over the switch, even last gen Xbone over the Switch. The Switch market is very different and games there barely compete with indie games on PS4/5. It's like saying that Tencent is competing with Sony, which its full focus is cellphones.
No it's considered a portable hybrid. Outlets separate it from the others for a reason.The Switch is still considered a console.
Could Sony have sold more if they had the supply?
At some point this supply situation will improve itself and we will see what the real ratios are. Kind of hard to say which one is more popular without them.
Undisputed how? In sales numbers? People forget that 50 million of PS2's LTD were sold after the PS3 came out, so in terms of LTD trajectory it was somewhat similar to PS1, though it did have a stronger start for obvious reasons.Nintendo is winning by their term, doesn't mean others are losing. Xbox is directly competing with Sony, Steam, Epic Games, but traditional home console has been Sony's turf since 1994, undisputed.
Nintendo fans are always nitpicking when it comes to this conversation.I don't even know what gen the Switch competes with.
You can say that it's a current gen console but then it's missing out on a ton of games due to lack of power. It's why I find it strange to compare it to the XSX and PS5.
I agree that it's an incredibly successful console for Nintendo. And in pure numbers it's already sold the XSX and the PS5 by a ton. But is it correct to compare it to those two systems?
Undisputed how? In sales numbers? People forget that 50 million of PS2's LTD were sold after the PS3 came out, so in terms of LTD trajectory it was somewhat similar to PS1, though it did have a stronger start for obvious reasons.
Marketshare and revenue? Well, I mean the 360 happened. PS3 was in more global markets and in many of those had much higher marketshare but collectively it barely ever maintained total marketshare over 360 (in terms of consoles sold, and on that note it never had marketshare advantage over the Wii), and in the largest growing market that mattered most at the time (United States), it was getting absolutely beaten by both Microsoft and Nintendo. Even the final LTD #s for PS3 are only a few million more than 360's, and that's with Microsoft cutting off 360 production earlier than Sony did PS3, having a direct correlation on said numbers.
Software library size? Well that is one area we can agree they have been mostly undisputed in, though they didn't have an out-and-out larger library from the jump of 1994. Especially with Japan region included PS1 and Saturn had very similarly sized libraries, it wasn't until around 1997 or so where the PS1's library of games readily outstripped Saturn's in terms of sheer number of titles.
In terms of 1P quality? Yeah this is an area Sony definitely were not leading from the jump starting 1994. Their launch Japanese PS1 1P games were rather abysmal actually, compared to Sega who had universally well-received games like Daytona, VF and Panzer Dragoon more or less out of the gate. Even with 1995 and into 1996 Sony's 1P content, while it got better, wasn't necessarily in the same league as Sega's with the Saturn or at the same frequency, and review scores from magazines of the period (I've done a lot of reading of these, particularly Next Generation Magazine) confirm this. They did have standouts at this point like Crash, Jumping Flash and Twisted Metal (and arguably Warhawk), but also more average fare like Jet Moto and Motor Toon Grand Prix, and actual bad games like Hermie Hammerhead. A lot of Sega's Saturn output from the '94-'96 period either reviewed better at the time, or hold up better today.
In fact it's maybe a bit controversial but I think Sony's 1P (purely 1P, as in studios they owned outright under their publishing arm) in PS1 gen wasn't clearly better than Sega or Nintendo's and in several instances both of them had better games overall. Nothing from Sony's 1P that gen was as industry-defining as Mario 64 or OoT, led the industry in its respective genre with new standards on home console like VF2 or was as artistically poignant as say Panzer Dragoon Saga...outside of Gran Turismo and Parappa (Parappa/UmJammer are certainly artistic but not poignant in a sophisticated sense TBH).
Sony wouldn't start doing that with some regular consistency until PS2.
If amd can put graphic cards on mobile it might be possible, considering mobile market is growing rabidly more than consoles. just 10 years ago, it was nokia. and now you have an iPhone 12, Samsung galaxy 10 that is like mini computer. You can use Galaxy 10 as a mini computer. Tried on my s9, and it was nice experience.The problem with handhelds is power. That's where the issue with Gamepass might come in. We all know that streaming games isn't something that works for most people.
Typing a lot doesn't change solid facts.
Now take out handhelds and focus on traditional home consoles.
Why am I getting vibes that Nintendo winning negates Xbox not winning?
if they hadn't been annoying and gimped the ram, the series s would have been perfect as a 1080p machine for a few years, I know I didn't buy one because I know that missing 6 will start to cause havok eventually, had one in the cart, they wouldn't sell out but decided not to because I know that is going to end up killing its usefulness.Xbox series S is still in stock at amazon. Series x is sold out. Extremely likely Series s demand will decrease as the time goes on.
I like how people keep pretending Microsoft announced 360 numbers and continue to use old numbers that were when sony was behind and went quiet.Undisputed how? In sales numbers? People forget that 50 million of PS2's LTD were sold after the PS3 came out, so in terms of LTD trajectory it was somewhat similar to PS1, though it did have a stronger start for obvious reasons.
Marketshare and revenue? Well, I mean the 360 happened. PS3 was in more global markets and in many of those had much higher marketshare but collectively it barely ever maintained total marketshare over 360 (in terms of consoles sold, and on that note it never had marketshare advantage over the Wii), and in the largest growing market that mattered most at the time (United States), it was getting absolutely beaten by both Microsoft and Nintendo. Even the final LTD #s for PS3 are only a few million more than 360's, and that's with Microsoft cutting off 360 production earlier than Sony did PS3, having a direct correlation on said numbers.
Software library size? Well that is one area we can agree they have been mostly undisputed in, though they didn't have an out-and-out larger library from the jump of 1994. Especially with Japan region included PS1 and Saturn had very similarly sized libraries, it wasn't until around 1997 or so where the PS1's library of games readily outstripped Saturn's in terms of sheer number of titles.
In terms of 1P quality? Yeah this is an area Sony definitely were not leading from the jump starting 1994. Their launch Japanese PS1 1P games were rather abysmal actually, compared to Sega who had universally well-received games like Daytona, VF and Panzer Dragoon more or less out of the gate. Even with 1995 and into 1996 Sony's 1P content, while it got better, wasn't necessarily in the same league as Sega's with the Saturn or at the same frequency, and review scores from magazines of the period (I've done a lot of reading of these, particularly Next Generation Magazine) confirm this. They did have standouts at this point like Crash, Jumping Flash and Twisted Metal (and arguably Warhawk), but also more average fare like Jet Moto and Motor Toon Grand Prix, and actual bad games like Hermie Hammerhead. A lot of Sega's Saturn output from the '94-'96 period either reviewed better at the time, or hold up better today.
In fact it's maybe a bit controversial but I think Sony's 1P (purely 1P, as in studios they owned outright under their publishing arm) in PS1 gen wasn't clearly better than Sega or Nintendo's and in several instances both of them had better games overall. Nothing from Sony's 1P that gen was as industry-defining as Mario 64 or OoT, led the industry in its respective genre with new standards on home console like VF2 or was as artistically poignant as say Panzer Dragoon Saga...outside of Gran Turismo and Parappa (Parappa/UmJammer are certainly artistic but not poignant in a sophisticated sense TBH).
Sony wouldn't start doing that with some regular consistency until PS2.
We have great taste here in Portugal.Was that Spain or Portugal?
So we are just making up 360 and Xbox One numbers now? Is this VGchartz? Also where Atari?I love Nintendo more than Xbox, but would rather buy Xbox Series S, or even Xbox One over it. Switch is just its own market with Wii, PSP, PS Vita. Another chart for reality check. Xbox best console can't beat Sony's worst console. So yes, for home consoles it's undisputed since 1994.
Pretty sure the PS4 outsold the XboxOne in both the UK and the US.The world that’s not US/UK - Sony
The world - Nintendo
US/UK - Microsoft
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It’s all due to the constant Xbox focus on English speaking countries… and the biggest gaming news websites are American and they will always are biased towards American companies.The world that’s not US/UK - Sony
The world - Nintendo
US/UK - Microsoft
there
The issue is not enough consoles.PS5 is outselling Xbox Series by just ~3.5:1
Last gen Ps4 was outselling Xbox One by ~10:1
I can say it is true! You can order online and get it in 1 to 2 weeks.Portugal hates Xbox. It's been widely available since launch, I heard.
I and my friend went into stores and no they did not, not even bundles. Maybe depends on the city it was.Out of curiosity i heard some reports of people in Portugal casualy walking into a store and asking if there was a PS5 avaible and they had a dozen bundles avaible for the MSRP (about 600ish euros with controller and game i think).
Guy explained that the store changed policies and was selling bundles only, people who was on waiting list were asked if they wanted or not and most declined the bundle offer, thats why it was store avaible.
Another anedoctal, for a couple weeks you can get a Xbox series X for shippng within 2-3 business day from the same major retailler.
I love Nintendo more than Xbox, but would rather buy Xbox Series S, or even Xbox One over it. Switch is just its own market with Wii, PSP, PS Vita. Another chart for reality check. Xbox best console can't beat Sony's worst console. So yes, for home consoles it's undisputed since 1994.
I like how people keep pretending Microsoft announced 360 numbers and continue to use old numbers that were when sony was behind and went quiet.
Also lol at Daytona and VF being well received on Saturn. Both those games were considered terrible rushed ports.
Also Crash wasn't 1p.
PS2 still the undisputed king.... One has to remember that it sold 150mi+ when gamming market was much smaller and generations were shorter.
PS5 is outselling Xbox Series by just ~3.5:1
Last gen Ps4 was outselling Xbox One by ~10:1
Yet both consoles are perpetually sold out everywhere?
I double checked it now and at least on their online stores, since some months ago Series S are always available in all major retailers: Game, Fnac, Carrefour, Media Markt, El Corte Inglés.Is it still 100% sold out? Early on numbers feel more like allottment measures than anything. Though I'm pretty sure PS5 will maintain a lead in Spain no doubt.
I love Nintendo more than Xbox, but would rather buy Xbox Series S, or even Xbox One over it. Switch is just its own market with Wii, PSP, PS Vita. Another chart for reality check. Xbox best console can't beat Sony's worst console. So yes, for home consoles it's undisputed since 1994.
Undisputed how? In sales numbers? People forget that 50 million of PS2's LTD were sold after the PS3 came out, so in terms of LTD trajectory it was somewhat similar to PS1, though it did have a stronger start for obvious reasons.
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EDIT: Never mind, I get what you're saying there.
Virtua Fighter sold pretty much 1:1 with Saturn in Japan and the fanbase enjoyed it a ton and it got strong reviews from Japanese gaming outlets of the time. VF Remix (which by the way is still VF1) was itself very well-received from Japanese and Western gaming outlets, so that point still stands.
Daytona as a port on Saturn had bad glitches on the graphics but the actual gameplay was pretty faithful to the arcade original, that was something pretty much every review of the time praised: the gameplay accuracy to the arcade version.
1P in the sense it was published by Sony and made exclusive to PS1, but it doesn't fit my following description of 1P I stated afterwards, fair enough. Though due to that, you actually helped strengthen my point in the paragraph above the one where I specified what context 1P was being discussed throughout that post.
It sold roughly 100+ million (just a little more than 100 million) during its commercial life when it was Sony's marquee gaming console (2000-2006). The additional 50 million came post-PS3 release, and that was at a time when the gaming market was rapidly growing in size.
Já marchava uns rojões à Alentejana ou uma feijoada à transmontana.We have great taste here in Portugal.
Anyone thinking Sony aren’t utterly dominant, should also take a look at this rather brilliant YouTube video:
If the PS3 was more successful at the start I doubt PS2 would have gotten that 50.
As for VF reviews mentioned the problems, remix was a rapid response so Sega felt the need to address them. Daytona also had mixed reviews and didn't sell as well as they hoped unlike VF.
They both needed more time, but honestly the launch window was not very attractive all around. Neither was PS1's mind, but they had an edge.
Everything...literally EVERYTHING you just said proves my pointThat`s absolutely wrong.
By ps2 era things were MUCH different than now. We didnt had worlwide releases and third world countries lagged behind by a lot.
When ps3 released the ps2 was stil the de-facto current gen in for many years to come in most parts of the globe.
I see this comment for every country (at least when comparing just PS to Xbox).Spain is SONYland, I'm a bit surprised PS5 isn't outselling Series X by 10:1
Not the same exactly perdido but it was 7:1.PS5 is outselling Xbox Series by just ~3.5:1
Last gen Ps4 was outselling Xbox One by ~10:1
It was on 360 era US and UK.I see this comment for every country (at least when comparing just PS to Xbox).
Where is XboxLand?
Yeah. It's 10:1 ltd now. It was lower at the start of the beginning and the gap increased over timeNot the same exactly perdido but it was 7:1.
BTW PS5 has more 4 months to reach these 360k numbers from PS4 at same period but it seems a bit hard.
The fact PS5 still have supply issues while PS4 was already being sold to everybody that wants it makes it hard.
Saying Switch competes with mobile devices is like saying PlayStation competes with PCs. The comparison doesn't make sense.Switch is competing with Android and iOS, and it's losing there.
There were a lot of games on PS2 that weren't on GameCube, but those devices still competed.Can't imagine someone picking up a switc high llgh if they want to play current gen games. I guess that's the issue that I'm having.
Nothing you said contradicts there point. PS2's sales came from it long legs rather than crazy crazy high numbersThat`s absolutely wrong.
By ps2 era things were MUCH different than now. We didnt had worlwide releases and third world countries lagged behind by a lot.
When ps3 released the ps2 was stil the de-facto current gen in for many years to come in most parts of the globe.
I see this comment for every country (at least when comparing just PS to Xbox).
Where is XboxLand?
There were a lot of games on PS2 that weren't on GameCube, but those devices still competed.
I agree that a lot of the big Western AAA games miss Switch, I just don't think that's a valid reason to say they don't compete. Switch, PS4, PS5, Xbox One and Xbox Series are all dedicated video game devices.True but it's hard for me to just stay with a Switch because I would miss out on a ton of games. The same can't be said about the XSX and the PS5.
The Switch is a great companion console though. I just wish Nintendo would start releasing Nintendo Selects again.
I agree that a lot of the big Western AAA games miss Switch, I just don't think that's a valid reason to say they don't compete. Switch, PS4, PS5, Xbox One and Xbox Series are all dedicated video game devices.