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I found a vagina in Watch Dogs 2 and Sony suspended me (Update: Ban lifted)

Aces&Eights

Aces&Eights

Member
The irony here is Sony is more going to give this much more attention in the press them if they had just emailed OP and told him that the pic was not appropriate. Reddit probably has memes all ready being posted of Sony vaginas.

What a PR blunder. If you don't have the foresight to prevent this stuff, Sony, ban your Whats New programmer, not the end user. Christ.
 
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The Xtortionist

Member
In 2007 I was proud of beating CoD4 on Veteran and getting the "Deep and Hard" achievement. So I changed my motto to "Deep and Hard" (this was a long time ago ok), and Xbox Live banned me for three days. Like wtf, it's the name of an achievement that you fucking approved and everyone can see.

Same thing here, just reactionary bullshit. Get your shit together, game companies.
 
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Moon_frogger

Member
Muffdraul said:
It would be no different from going to an "18+ ONLY" porn website, taking jpegs from their vids, and posting them on twitter. It's taking mature content out of the M rated source and putting it somewhere with no age restrictions or guidelines. Can't believe this needs to be explained.
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So wait by this logic any m rated game cannot have its content shared through sonys share function? Why do they allow it to be shared then? Why isn't it disabled? You haven't explained a thing
 
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The Albatross

Member
CamHostage said:
Yes, the content is in the game, but if you subvert the content or use the content for TOS-violating purposes, then action is perfectly fair. If you are intentionally snapping confederate flags in a civil war / Dukes of Hazard game, or intentionally collecting a gallery of snaps of say just dead black-skinned NPCs, and then sharing that filtered stream of content to your racist friends, Sony would likely step in. Or if you had a collection of fail videos and of you team-killing or hassling somebody you know, and you posted it to your school chums who all harrass that person and know his PSN ID, that's Sony's business to shut down. Even super-violent or explicitly sexual content, according to the TOS, is potentially a strike, so although we are seeing a case of nudity banned while multitudes of cases of violence are flying through the filter, it is in Sony's right to crack down should they choose to do so if complaints hit a threshold.
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In so far as there are no examples of Sony banning people for killing black NPCs, or banning people for photos of confederate flags in a civil war game, I think it's a real stretch to try to justify this Or... team killing and posting it to high school chums...... Those are all a real stretch.

The player isn't breaking any rules or trying to play the game any differently than it's intended to be played. He's not exploiting the game to do anything vulgar that isn't already in the game. He killed an NPC and the NPC has a visible vagina on screen, and the player shared it using Sony's built in sharing technology.
 
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Boke1879

Member
Angel_DvA said:
lol Sony, what a terrible year for them, everything they have done this year pissed me of or disappointed the hell out of me, it's incredible how disrespectful they can be with their fan base too, I'm not saying arrogant Sony is back but it's far for the greatness they were around PS4 launch, it's probably time for this company to get their shit together.
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This is shit and needs to be fixed but I'm failing to see how this has been a terrible year for Sony simply because they pissed you off.
 
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Akai__

Member
A week would have been okay to make it clear that nudity is not okay to be shared on their services, but doubling down on it AFTER it gets more media attention and increasing the ban to a month is the worst thing you could do. Beyond stupid and #4theplayers my ass.

I feel sorry for you OP. Guess that will be a hard month.
 
SystemUser

SystemUser

Member
The first ban reminds me of how CoD often has weed references like the "blunt force" stuff have weed leaves on it, but people have been banned form XBL and PSN for "drug references" in their gamertag while playing that game.



Sony's second ban for this is a whole new level though.
 
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Gai Murakumo

Member
A week ban was pretty bad but extending it to a month after some exposure that is ridiculous. C'mon Sony you should know better than this, you cannot get away with doing this kind of shit anymore.
 
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Lemaitre

Banned
HawksWinStanley said:
By Sony's logic making it public via Kotaku would result in extending the ban to a year.
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I would think OP would be fine with that considering how poorly he has been treated thus far. I wouldn't want to play software from a company that would do something so petty to me.

Also it's not really up to OP anymore.
 
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Ibuki

Banned
Ubisoft has apologized and will remove it from the model.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

We’re aware that one of the NPC models in Watch Dogs 2 is rendered in a way that is particularly explicit. While Watch Dogs 2 is a mature-rated game, we apologize and will update this NPC model to make it more consistent with other NPC models in the game in a patch to be released this week. We also are working with our first-party partners to ensure that players can continue to play and share all content from the game within the bounds of the first parties’ respective codes of conduct.
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Aenima

Aenima

Member
LukasTaves said:
The tos is stupid that's what I'm saying.

That's like putting the burden of taking control over what's shared on the user playing a game released on a closed platform, when in fact they are the last who should be hold accountable.

Either the system should block sharing pictures from M rated games, or a way to people to block mature content from their feeds (and honestly, the burden should fall first on people who don't want to see this content or don't want their children to see it to configure their accounts to hide this content).

Any way, there's plenty of already established tools to solve this other than banning the user for using a system feature on a game allowed on the platform.
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Is it that hard to use ur brain and have a sence of resposability? I have a 7 year old nephew and i sure dont like it to come in my PS4 and see a flood of penis and vaginas screen shots all over the news feeds. You can share stuff without posting it on the PSN feeds, so just because its mature i dont want a block on the ability to share it cuz i can record it to a USB and share it on foruns or other places.
Im glad Sony is doing something about it. They could be less strict and just pass a warning to 1st offenders.

In the case of the OP, the extended ban sounds more like a mistake by some PSN moderator, so he should try contact Sony about that saying he was already banned yesterday and explain the situation.
 
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Chris_Rivera

Member
I bet Sony respondes eventually. They will say they have to make an effort to keep the service clean as its teeming with minors. Doesn't matter if it seems hypocritical, they can't let it alienate a large number of the customer base. It's their service, you agreed to their terms. The world ain't fair, champ.

Also a moderator can't just let shit slide, if it's their job. Nothing philosophical about it.
 
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jax

Banned
So someone at Sony read this GAF thread, and increased the ban? I haven't seen this on any other news sites.

Wow. Just wow. Disposable behavior from Sony on display.
 
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YianGaruga

Banned
The Albatross said:
Also quite fitting that this is Playstation's Twitter page right now:

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Like... they're heavily promoting this game on twitter, a player uploads content from the game to twitter, and they ban him for it.
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Wanderer5

Member
-griffy- said:
Again, this isn't because of the post on Twitter, but presumably because he posted it to Twitter through the share functionality of the PS4, which also makes a post on the What's New section of the PS4, and that post is what would have been determined to break the TOS for PSN. This is still problematic (especially with the lengthening of the ban), but I think it's important to know what exactly happened here.
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Yeah I could definitely see Sony taking some action of sort in that case. Still the extension of the ban in particular is lame.
 
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The Albatross

Member
Muffdraul said:
It would be no different from going to an "18+ ONLY" porn website, taking jpegs from their vids, and posting them on twitter. It's taking mature content out of the M rated source and putting it somewhere with no age restrictions or guidelines. Can't believe this needs to be explained.
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THis would be true if Sony were distributing and marketing 18+ Porn videos on PSN. If PSN were an 18+ Porn service that was uploading videos, then I'd hope that posting one of those videos on your Twitter account would not get you banned from the service.

In the actual case we're talking about, Sony is promoting a game. The user took a screenshot of the game and uploaded it to Twitter. Sony is banning a user for using the service as it's intended to be used. And then quadrupling his ban because they fucked up and got embarrassed

Ibuki said:
Ubisoft has apologized and will remove it from the model.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Sony should remove the OPs ban. Ubi is, rightly, taking fault. Sony is doubling down (or, really, quadrupling down)
 
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kjacobson

Neo Member
To me personally I think it's kind of funny that of all games, this happens with Watch_Dogs which you could say embodies the hacker idea of sharing and no censorship (while I get the fact that sharing nude pictures is a touchy subject - this is the game I'm talking about) and not letting the powers that be control you.
 
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jax

Banned
Chris_Rivera said:
I bet Sony respondes eventually. They will say they have to make an effort to keep the service clean as its teeming with minors. Doesn't matter if it seems hypocritical, they can't let it alienate a large number of the customer base. It's their service, you agreed to their terms. The world ain't fair, champ.

Also a moderator can't just let shit slide, if it's their job. Nothing philosophical about it.
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And extending the ban after it hit news websites, that's not philosophical either? Jeez, the Sony defense force is too much for me sometimes.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Sony doubling down on the ban is absolutely ridiculous. Posting about it on forums is now a violation? Last I checked they down own GAF or Twitter.. :/
 
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JABEE

Member
Who makes the decision that Vagina is bad, but a headshot in Call of Duty is okay?

If Sony doesn't want children viewing the screenshots or videos from M-Rated titles, then they should spend money to develop a content-filter as part of their parental controls.

OP's content was captured using Sony's tools from a game approved by Sony to be published on their closed system. This seems to be an unjust banning. OP is being deprived of the service he purchased on the basis of a long-form contract created and designed in bad faith with the intention of circumventing legitimate legal review and counseling for each customer.

If it's in the game, it's in the game. I rest my case.
 
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Ibuki

Banned
My post is going to be quoted into oblivion, but it was slightly misleading.

Ubi didn't say they are removing the model, just changing it so that could mean anything.
 
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