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[Makariel]

[...] (particularly in the US) [...]

I guess that's part of the issue, different counties and cultures find very different things offensive. For example, if you grew up in a country with no history of slavery, it's difficult to grasp how this history is affecting people in the US. But you will be treated by the color of your skin regardless of your origin, which is quite frankly puzzling for non - Americans. And it doesn't help that US citizen quite often act as if no other part of the planet matters as much as theirs.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

We don't defeat the PC police by playing their own game. Just ignore them. The upside to the crazy identitarians is they're going to non-breed themselves out of existence. It's a problem that solves itself, much like the heroin epidemic.

 

[Moze]

Is this the level of discussion going on here now? Shocking.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Lmfao.

 

[Panda1]

if you grew up in a country with no history of slavery, it's difficult to grasp how this history is affecting people in the US. B..

Which mythological country is this?

 

[Makariel]

Which mythological country is this?

Fair enough, pretty much every country on continent had slavery at some point in the past. Humans are shit.

 

[Spladam]

But I'm white, so I can at least say Ginga with an "a" right?
I usually call your kind "day walkers" anyway.
Nice try though.

 

[llien]

Man...I know exactly why you're making this thread and I was going to make some kind of snarky comment about how redheads were never demonized over their red hair...and then I remember that we used to literally burn people alive because we thought they were witches and I held back.

While we indeed burned people (of both genders) for being "witches", did it ever have something to do with hair color?

 

[Baskin Robbins]

While we indeed burned people (of both genders) for being "witches", did it ever have something to do with hair color?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

Brutal shit.

 

[Codes 208]

So youre saying I cant say *bleep*?

Which brings up another question...i was born blonde but it darkened into a dark brown when i was a toddler. Does that make me a brunette or artificial intelligence?

 

[llien]

Brutal shit.

Thanks for the link but I have still missed the hair color playing any role in it.

 

[Keylime]

Thanks for the link but I have still missed the hair color playing any role in it.

https://howtobearedhead.com/8-historical-facts-about-redheads-and-witchcraft/

https://glocalpundit.com/2017/01/26...brief-history-of-the-persecution-of-redheads/

...basically, people thought people with red hair were demons and witches by default so during the hunt for witches, they'd get targeted and burned or buried alive in much greater quantities.

 

[BANGS]

If you really think Ginger and Nigger have a similar connotation....

Absolutely, both are derogatory names based on someone's physical characteristics.

I was waiting for someone to say this, we can break down the history of both terms if you like.

History doesn't really matter when defining a word today...

 

[Panda1]

Absolutely, both are derogatory names based on someone's physical characteristics.


History doesn't really matter when defining a word today...

I think the point has been made. Consistency and actual principles and logic rather than towing the party line

 

[KingT731]

Absolutely, both are derogatory names based on someone's physical characteristics.


History doesn't really matter when defining a word today...

Little hint. One of them is actually a word. The other is literally a made up derogatory term for blacks

 

[BANGS]

One of them is actually a word. The other is literally a made up

All words are made up...

 

[llien]

https://howtobearedhead.com/8-historical-facts-about-redheads-and-witchcraft/

https://glocalpundit.com/2017/01/26...brief-history-of-the-persecution-of-redheads/

...basically, people thought people with red hair were demons and witches by default so during the hunt for witches, they'd get targeted and burned or buried alive in much greater quantities.

Thanks for the links. It was, perhaps, a factor, but of a moderate scale, i.e. there was no "ginger people genocide" (Irish wouldn't survive else)

 

[Vicetrailia]

Little hint. One of them is actually a word. The other is literally a made up derogatory term for blacks

Don't bother dude, it's a troll thread. It's made for bitching, not debating.

 

[Zog]

Little hint. One of them is actually a word. The other is literally a made up derogatory term for blacks

It's a word and it's in the dictionary.

 

[RokkanStoned]

Don't bother dude, it's a troll thread. It's made for bitching, not debating.

It's kind of a mix of originally a trolling, antagonistic thread, then turned into a joke thread and now someone is seemingly wanting to debate it as well. Debating it I feel is better in a wider debate on the principle of exclusionary language, rather than targeting a specific type.

The guy you quoted is also wrong about the origin of the N-word. It was originally non-derogatory term for people with black skin, from the roots of the latin word niger. More so you have him weirdly thinking that there are "actual words" and "made up words", which is problematic itself, since words are all originally made up.

 

[TrainedRage]

Don't bother dude, it's a troll thread. It's made for bitching, not debating.

Debate me bro!

 

[NickFire]

Don't bother dude, it's a troll thread. It's made for bitching, not debating.

I see lots of satire but very little trolling. Perhaps the satire bites too harshly and its easier to call it trolling than debating the fundamental message. I don't know, but the intention is clearly satirical.

 

[Vicetrailia]

The guy you quoted is also wrong about the origin of the N-word. It was originally non-derogatory term for people with black skin, from the roots of the latin word niger.

Indeed, people seem to miss this a lot.

I see lots of satire but very little trolling. Perhaps the satire bites too harshly and its easier to call it trolling than debating the fundamental message. I don't know, but the intention is clearly satirical.

All of that was already discussed on the first page.

 

[Zog]

We don't defeat the PC police by playing their own game. Just ignore them. The upside to the crazy identitarians is they're going to non-breed themselves out of existence. It's a problem that solves itself, much like the heroin epidemic.

Ignore them? The squeaky wheel gets the grease and allowing the squeaky wheel to go unopposed is only helping them.

 

[KingT731]

It's a word and it's in the dictionary.

And so is bootylicious.

The guy you quoted is also wrong about the origin of the N-word. It was originally non-derogatory term for people with black skin, from the roots of the latin word niger. More so you have him weirdly thinking that there are "actual words" and "made up words", which is problematic itself, since words are all originally made up.

1. It's not the Latin term for black skin. In the definition of the word there is nothing denoting skin color. In its original English language usage, nigger (then spelled niger) was a word for a dark-skinned individual.
2. Define Nigger. What does it say? Is there an alternate definition?

 

[TrainedRage]

I don't get why people are going off topic? If you want to make a history of the N word thread, feel free to make your own OT.

This is a thread for talking about the slur "ginger".

 

[RokkanStoned]

And so is bootylicious.


1. It's not the Latin term for black skin. In the definition of the word there is nothing denoting skin color. In its original English language usage, nigger (then spelled niger) was a word for a dark-skinned individual.
2. Define Nigger. What does it say? Is there an alternate definition?

1. The term has a whole historie speaking about the "nigers", in regards to people from Africa. . It's wholly a consequence of latin languages' influence. It has had much development over the years, since the 16th century. The modern day usage is as far as I can remember something that evolved from the end of the 18th century and onwards.
2. Now you're conflating the current day meaning, with its historical development. More so, words only have the power we give them or the influence culture enforces upon us in regards to them. Words are just things we give power, by leaning on artifacts of history, on our upbringing and the emotional connection we have to it in context of history. Languages evolve, many words that we have originally meant something different, either completely different or something rather similar.

 

[CreamCream]

I don't get why people are going off topic? If you want to make a history of the N word thread, feel free to make your own OT.

This is a thread for talking about the slur "ginger".

Lmao you never disappoint.

 

[bitbydeath]

I don't get why people are going off topic? If you want to make a history of the N word thread, feel free to make your own OT.

This is a thread for talking about the slur "ginger".

I think I saw a ginger pube in my McDonalds the other day, does that count?

 

[KonradLaw]

Well, it's rude, but that's it. Let's not pretend redheads are opressed group or something. It's not any different from any other rude thing to say like "idiot" or "fatass"

 

[Grinchy]

Well, it's rude, but that's it. Let's not pretend redheads are opressed group or something. It's not any different from any other rude thing to say like "idiot" or "fatass"

User banned for 3 weeks: Belittling the struggles of a minority class, whataboutism, intelligence-shaming, fat-shaming, history of similar infractions.

 

[BANGS]

Let's not pretend redheads are opressed group or something

If only that logic applied to all Americans...

 

[TrainedRage]

Lmao you never disappoint.

How do you know me? Do I know you from another site? Are you compiling a list of people with red hair or something? This is alarming.

 

[The Giant]

I'm a Aussie wog. I can say the word wog and you can't.

 

[BANGS]

I'm a Aussie wog. I can say the word wog and you can't.

Binya Binya!

 

[infinitys_7th]

As a serious post, isn't red hair considered a sign of being Jewish? I'm sure there was some historical anti-Semitism linked to it.

IIRC, it is even speculated that the Irish are descendents of Dan.

 

[CreamCream]

People here trying to say this is "satire" not trolling, to make it sound less shitty, I guess?

But what exactly are you "satirizing"? The way black people react to the n-word? Sorry that the reaction to a damaging dehumanizing slur, created by their oppressors and given to them after their entire culture and identity was stripped and beaten out of them, replaced with only that word as their sole identitify. Less than human. An object, a tool.

If a red haired person asked that I not say ginger around them, I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't mock them for expressing the discomfort, pain and trauma that comes from something like, I don't know, over 400 years of nothing but oppression, for example. I wouldn't do this, because I don't know what's it's like to be a redhead, so I'd have to be a real asshole to think I can be assured that the thing they think is a big deal, isn't actually a big deal, so I'm not an asshole for mocking it.

It's really easy to turn everything into a joke if you pretend context doesn't exist.

People who respond to this post by going "I don't know what you're talking about. This thread is about the slur ginger!" , are just proving my point that they refuse to be empathetic.

 

[NickFire]

People here trying to say this is "satire" not trolling, to make it sound less shitty, I guess?

But what exactly are you "satirizing"? The way black people react to the n-word? Sorry that the reaction to a damaging dehumanizing slur, created by their oppressors and given to them after their entire culture and identity was stripped and beaten out of them, replaced with only that word as their sole identitify. Less than human. An object, a tool.

If a red haired person asked that I not say ginger around them, I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't mock them for expressing the discomfort, pain and trauma that comes from something like, I don't know, over 400 years of nothing but oppression, for example. I wouldn't do this, because I don't know what's it's like to be a redhead, so I'd have to be a real asshole to think I can be assured that the thing they think is a big deal, isn't actually a big deal, so I'm not an asshole for mocking it.

It's really easy to turn everything into a joke if you pretend context doesn't exist.

People who respond to this post by going "I don't know what you're talking about. This thread is about the slur ginger!" , are just proving my point that they refuse to be empathetic.

People can be emphatic and tired of the the double standard at the same time. And good people can believe that the word should either be banished altogether (by everyone) or no longer given any significance, because racism will never go away as long as people are treated differently due to skin color. Whether you agree or not, the undeniable fact is you are chastising people for objecting to a double standard based on skin color, which most people's modern upbringing taught us is always wrong as we are all equals. Sorry, but there is no moral high ground there.

 

[BANGS]

But what exactly are you "satirizing"? The way black people react to the n-word? Sorry that the reaction to a damaging dehumanizing slur, created by their oppressors and given to them after their entire culture and identity was stripped and beaten out of them, replaced with only that word as their sole identitify. Less than human. An object, a tool.

Basically, yeah. These over reactions are pathetic and the double standard is sad. Especially when you guy throw the word around casually like it's a fucking piece of gum. Get real...

 

[CreamCream]

Basically, yeah. These over reactions are pathetic and the double standard is sad. Especially when you guy throw the word around casually like it's a fucking piece of gum. Get real...

There's no double standard. You keep calling it an "overreaction" despite not understanding the reality and history of the word and how it has been used against black people. Even though it's clearly been explained to you many times, and anyone with a brain a basic understanding of history seems to get why it's a big deal.

What part of "created by their oppressors, entire culture and identity taken from them, replaced with only that word as their sole identity, literally owned, abused and oppressed because of that identity for over 400 years" are you having trouble with?

 

[BANGS]

What part of "created by their oppressors, entire culture and identity taken from them, replaced with only that word as their sole identity, literally owned, abused and oppressed because of that identity for over 400 years" are you having trouble with?

Because I'm wondering when any of that happened to people born in America after the civil war and therefor relevant... My ancestors been through some shit too but I don't keep a chip on my shoulder and certainly don't get upset when someone calls me a mick...

 

[CreamCream]

Because I'm wondering when any of that happened to people born in America after the civil war and therefor relevant... My ancestors been through some shit too but I don't keep a chip on my shoulder and certainly don't get upset when someone calls me a mick...

I'm sorry that you wish for all cultures to behave exactly the same but that's not how human society works I'm afraid. We do not all have to act under the same rules. I'm not sure how your culture works, but at least in black history, as far as I know, things that happened in the past have an effect on the present.

And newsflash, the word was still being used against us after the civil war. KKK didn't even exist until after we were free.

I think you should think long and hard about why you feel righteous in mocking a minority for a cultural signifier they have been forced to carry.

The fact of the matter is that it makes us upset. And we have a lot of history that got us to that point. You have the freedom to be considerate of that or not.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Because I'm wondering when any of that happened to people born in America after the civil war and therefor relevant... My ancestors been through some shit too but I don't keep a chip on my shoulder and certainly don't get upset when someone calls me a mick...

It was until 1965 that rights got squared away, and really until the 70's the rights were better fulfilled.

But just because you have the right doesn't mean you get the right.

The civil rights movement for African Americans did not end with the passage of the Voting Rights Act in 1965. For the last fifty years, the African American community has faced challenges related to both past and current discrimination; progress on both fronts remains slow, uneven, and often frustrating.

Legacies of the de jure segregation of the past remain in much of the United States. Many African Americans still live in predominantly black neighborhoods where their ancestors were forced by laws and housing covenants to live.

And much more.

 

[BANGS]

It was until 1965 that rights got squared away, and really until the 70's the rights were better fulfilled.

Exactly, so pretty much everyone on the internet partaking in these debates in just an entitled ingrate... Unless you happen to be in you 50s or older at least...

edit: also creamy, nsfw dude...

 

[CreamCream]

Exactly, so pretty much everyone on the internet partaking in these debates in just an entitled ingrate... Unless you happen to be in you 50s or older at least...

edit: also creamy, nsfw dude...

Black peoplr are still being oppressed systemically and denigrated to this very day. This is a fact.

And you do realize many black people's parents and grandparents, you know the people whose livelihood determines their childrens, were alive during that time right?

Stop being obtuse.

I posted many images showing the different ways in which the n-word was used against us over the years. It was deleted by a mod. If you have trouble seeing how that's relevsnt to this discussion, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm sorry history is so uncomfortable to you. But this is my history.

 

[King of Foxes]

There's no double standard. You keep calling it an "overreaction" despite not understanding the reality and history of the word and how it has been used against black people. Even though it's clearly been explained to you many times, and anyone with a brain a basic understanding of history seems to get why it's a big deal.

What part of "created by their oppressors, entire culture and identity taken from them, replaced with only that word as their sole identity, literally owned, abused and oppressed because of that identity for over 400 years" are you having trouble with?

And where does it stop?

I'm Latvian (Baltic) my people have been killed, deported, made second class citizens until as recently as 1991, my family was scattered throughout the USSR just because of our culture, i'm sure I know more about oppression than you ever will.

Do I get to bitch and moan about a fucking word, a fucking word thrown around in popular culture like its no persons business?

NO.

I go on, I and my people endure, even free we speak the language of our former oppressors in our daily lives, we tolerate the Russians still living here celebrating the day they conquered us.

You are over reacting, your people made the word popular to all peoples. You don't get to bitch and moan now.

You are being too sensitive, get over yourself and stop trying to be a victim and i'm saying this as someone who grew up under REAL oppression.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

And where does it stop?

I'm Latvian (Baltic) my people have been killed, deported, made second class citizens until as recently as 1991, my family was scattered throughout the USSR just because of our culture, i'm sure I know more about oppression than you ever will.

Do I get to bitch and moan about a fucking word, a fucking word thrown around in popular culture like its no persons business?

NO.

I go on, I and my people endure, even free we speak the language of our former oppressors in our daily lives, we tolerate the Russians still living here celebrating the day they conquered us.

You are over reacting, your people made the word popular to all peoples. You don't get to bitch and moan now.

You are being too sensitive, get over yourself and stop trying to be a victim and i'm saying this as someone who grew up under REAL oppression.

Babe just don't. Cream was banned from reset for being a troll, the sites voat and thebore have both claimed cream was a troll account being used by them.
Dont fall for such obvious trolling.

 

[CreamCream]

And where does it stop?

I'm Latvian (Baltic) my people have been killed, deported, made second class citizens until as recently as 1991, my family was scattered throughout the USSR just because of our culture, i'm sure I know more about oppression than you ever will.

Do I get to bitch and moan about a fucking word, a fucking word thrown around in popular culture like its no persons business?

NO.

I go on, I and my people endure, even free we speak the language of our former oppressors in our daily lives, we tolerate the Russians still living here celebrating the day they conquered us.

You are over reacting, your people made the word popular to all peoples. You don't get to bitch and moan now.

You are being too sensitive, get over yourself and stop trying to be a victim and i'm saying this as someone who grew up under REAL oppression.

Probably not a good idea to not make assumptions about the lives of other people.

I grew up poor as shit, black, in Baltimore in the 90s.

No need to play oppression Olympics to make the cliché, centuries-old "argument" that black people aren't actually oppressed and just complain too much. I question the instinct that makes you feel like assuming that I actually have an easy life, and I don't have legitimate things to be upset about or feel I'm treated unfairly. If there was a subject that was sensitive to you because of the hardships you or your people have faced or continue to face, I would respect that. All I ask is that you do the same, in acknowledging and respecting the fact that both historically, and to this day, black people have remained an oppressed people and the n-word is used to denigrate us further.

Most people in normal American society, that aren't racists, don't really have this problem that so many on the internet seem to have, where they get so furious at this word making black people upset when white people use it.

I would think the history and social context speaks for itself and would make it obvious why this is the case, and to many people it is! But alas, neoGAF is not like "many people".

 

[CreamCream]

Babe just don't. Cream was banned from reset for being a troll, the sites voat and thebore have both claimed cream was a troll account being used by them.
Dont fall for such obvious trolling.

A lot of people on voat and the bore have tried to say they are me, and I am a troll. I've never been on voat.

I guarantee you, I am the genuine article.

I was banned from Era for calling out transphobic posters by name at a moment when that was uncalled for and inflammatory.

 

[infinitys_7th]

There's no double standard. You keep calling it an "overreaction" despite not understanding the reality and history of the word and how it has been used against black people. Even though it's clearly been explained to you many times, and anyone with a brain a basic understanding of history seems to get why it's a big deal.

What part of "created by their oppressors, entire culture and identity taken from them, replaced with only that word as their sole identity, literally owned, abused and oppressed because of that identity for over 400 years" are you having trouble with?

Maybe a black person should not have asked a white person to read a word black people do not want white people to read.