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I just discovered the horror of overscan and my blood is boiling

AuthenticM

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For those who don't know what this is: you might be a victim of overscan from your television without even knowing it. Overscan is a feature some (all ?) televisions have that makes it so the image being displayed is zoomed-in just a little bit. Why does this feature exist ? Well, from what I've gathered, it's because, apparently, watching cable or over-the-air broadcast without overscan could result in weird broadcast signals being displayed on your television. By having overscan on your television, those weird signals are hidden outside the screen. How thoughtful of television manufacturers to have included such a feature, right ? Great, right ?

Well NOT WHEN YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF IT'S NOT.

My 32" TV has overscan and there are no options whatsoever to turn it off. I've searched my TV model number and found that, indeed, overscan cannot be turned off on my television. My question is: why the FUCK would any self-respecting TV company ship and sell a television, to consumers, that has part of its image permanently hidden ?

Why would they do that ? What were they thinking ?! Other televisions have the option to turn off overscan in their settings, but not mine ?

Oh my GOD. I am so pissed right now. I've been playing games on my Sony HDTV for the past five-and-a-half years and I am just discovering that, for all of this time, parts of the image was not being transmitted to my eye ?

FUCK YOU, SONY.

edit: my TV model number is KDL-32L4000

edit2: here are some examples of what overscan does to your image:

 

Speevy

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Try to find something in your diagnostic mode. Be careful, but check it.

Also, is your TV 1080p?
 

pants

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This is why I aint even mad when games ask you to do screen calibration before the game starts.
 
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For those who don't know what this is: you might be a victim of overscan from your television without even knowing it. Overscan is a feature some (all ?) televisions have that makes it so the image being displayed is zoomed-in just a little bit. Why does this feature exist ? Well, from what I've gathered, it's because, apparently, watching cable or over-the-air broadcast without overscan could result in weird broadcast signals being displayed on your television. By having overscan on your television, those weird signals are hidden outside the screen. How thoughtful of television manufacturers to have included such a feature, right ? Great, right ?

Well NOT WHEN YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF IT'S NOT.

My 32" TV has overscan and there are no options whatsoever to turn it off. I've searched my TV model number and found that, indeed, overscan cannot be turned off on my television. My question is: why the FUCK would any self-respecting TV company ship and sell a television, to consumers, that has part of its image permanently hidden ?

Why would they do that ? What were they thinking ?! Other televisions have the option to turn off overscan in their settings, but not mine ?

Oh my GOD. I am so pissed right now. I've been playing games on my Sony HDTV for the past five-and-a-half years and I am just discovering that, for all of this time, parts of the image was not being transmitted to my eye ?

FUCK YOU, SONY.
My super old 32 inch Sony had the same problem. I hope the newer sets don't have the same issue.
 

Anion

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Since it's 5 years old, I don't know how "smart" it is, but is there like an updated firmware?
 

xn0

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Nearly every elderly person I know has their overscan turned on because they want that "full" picture to fill up their screen regardless. I have gotten so accustom to it I can notice it immediately when looking at a TV. Its the same way I trained myself how to instantly see magiceye pictures :)
 

Speevy

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My Dad turns on the zoom because of how screwed up his Dish stuff looks on the TV.

I want to get him a TV just to alleviate this.
 

SirMossyBloke

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Nearly every elderly person I know has their overscan turned on because they want that "full" picture to fill up their screen regardless. I have gotten so accustom to it I can notice it immediately when looking at a TV. Its the same way I trained myself how to instantly see magiceye pictures :)
Sounds like you're talking about screen stretch, not overscan.
 

NSider

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Nearly every elderly person I know has their overscan turned on because they want that "full" picture to fill up their screen regardless. I have gotten so accustom to it I can notice it immediately when looking at a TV. Its the same way I trained myself how to instantly see magiceye pictures :)
That's not overscan though.

Edit: Beaten.
 

TAJ

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This is why I aint even mad when games ask you to do screen calibration before the game starts.
You may be able to see everything then, but you're still getting less resolution.
 

Speevy

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I wish I could show some of you the horrible overscan from my previous TV.

All those beautiful PS3 wallpapers were cut off an inch or more at the edges.
 

Venfayth

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Oh my GOD. I am so pissed right now. I've been playing games on my Sony HDTV for the past five-and-a-half years and I am just discovering that, for all of this time, parts of the image was not being transmitted to my eye ?
Are you a cyclops?
 

AuthenticM

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Try to find something in your diagnostic mode. Be careful, but check it.

Also, is your TV 1080p?
What's diagnostic mode and how do I access it ?

I can set my PS3 to 1080p and my television will display the image, but nothing is smaller; everything is the same. My TV is a 2008 (possibly 2007) model, 32", that cost less than 1000$. I don't think it's really 1080p.

This is why I aint even mad when games ask you to do screen calibration before the game starts.
yeah, I am now just realizing why so many games ask the player to resize the image when you boot it for the first time. And each and every time, I had to resize the image and was left scratching my head as to why the game simply didn't display the image properly in the first place.

I cannot believe that permanent overscan is a decision that was made by supposedly sane-minded individuals at the head of billion-dollar corporations.

Un-fucking-believable.
 

REDRZA

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For those who don't know what this is: you might be a victim of overscan from your television without even knowing it. Overscan is a feature some (all ?) televisions have that makes it so the image being displayed is zoomed-in just a little bit. Why does this feature exist ? Well, from what I've gathered, it's because, apparently, watching cable or over-the-air broadcast without overscan could result in weird broadcast signals being displayed on your television. By having overscan on your television, those weird signals are hidden outside the screen. How thoughtful of television manufacturers to have included such a feature, right ? Great, right ?

Well NOT WHEN YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF IT'S NOT.

My 32" TV has overscan and there are no options whatsoever to turn it off. I've searched my TV model number and found that, indeed, overscan cannot be turned off on my television. My question is: why the FUCK would any self-respecting TV company ship and sell a television, to consumers, that has part of its image permanently hidden ?

Why would they do that ? What were they thinking ?! Other televisions have the option to turn off overscan in their settings, but not mine ?

Oh my GOD. I am so pissed right now. I've been playing games on my Sony HDTV for the past five-and-a-half years and I am just discovering that, for all of this time, parts of the image was not being transmitted to my eye ?

FUCK YOU, SONY.
Do you have the screen set to "full pixel"?
 

bobbychalkers

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I have a really old tube HDTV. I remember picking my Wii U up and connecting everything to discover the horror. Luckily they patched in some screen adjustment settings. I never noticed it before with my PS3 but now I just use the service menu to fix the problem there, you might want to give that a shot.
 
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I had an old 720p Hitachi with the same problem. I tried everything to fix it but to no avail. Can't you fix overscan in the console settings?
 

AuthenticM

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Since it's 5 years old, I don't know how "smart" it is, but is there like an updated firmware?
None. It's not a smart TV. There isn't even a USB port on it and Sony isn't offering new firmwares for it on their website. I've checked.

You didn't notice this in the past 5 years?
No. Why would I, really ? Why, in seven hells, would I suspect a worldwide multimedia powerhouse to sell me a television (i.e. a device existing for the sole purpose of transmitting video) that did not display everything for which it was intended ?
 

Outtrigger888

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My tv has "screen fit" which corrects the issue. If I have it set to 16x9 it zooms in the pic a little bit. I have a samsung btw
 
I can't disable sharpening on my set :(

It's always on. The only way to disable it is to set it to pc mode but as a consequence it makes it impossible to adjust brightness and contrast settings. The settings exist and can be adjusted but any time you change inputs or turn the TV off it reset's the settings. It retains the number value, saying contrast is at 35, but it really isn't. =/
 

Sean*O

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Check to see if it crops on all inputs or all input types. If so, look around for "service menu" access for your set and see if you can access the geometry settings, but be careful in there.
 

Roto13

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If you didn't notice it for five and a half years, maybe it's not worth having a big fit over.
 

Paz

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Not totally related but somewhat related, I was super impressed with the PS4 having OS level overscan settings - That alone should be able to solve a shitload of technical requirement stuff and player visibility problems we had to deal with in past generations :D

Sorry about your TV :( It's fairly common in smaller or non 1080p TV's to not have 1:1 pixel mapping options :/
 

infinityBCRT

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For those who don't know what this is: you might be a victim of overscan from your television without even knowing it. Overscan is a feature some (all ?) televisions have that makes it so the image being displayed is zoomed-in just a little bit. Why does this feature exist ? Well, from what I've gathered, it's because, apparently, watching cable or over-the-air broadcast without overscan could result in weird broadcast signals being displayed on your television. By having overscan on your television, those weird signals are hidden outside the screen. How thoughtful of television manufacturers to have included such a feature, right ? Great, right ?

Well NOT WHEN YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF IT'S NOT.

My 32" TV has overscan and there are no options whatsoever to turn it off. I've searched my TV model number and found that, indeed, overscan cannot be turned off on my television. My question is: why the FUCK would any self-respecting TV company ship and sell a television, to consumers, that has part of its image permanently hidden ?

Why would they do that ? What were they thinking ?! Other televisions have the option to turn off overscan in their settings, but not mine ?

Oh my GOD. I am so pissed right now. I've been playing games on my Sony HDTV for the past five-and-a-half years and I am just discovering that, for all of this time, parts of the image was not being transmitted to my eye ?

FUCK YOU, SONY.
Are you 100% sure theres no way to turn off overscan? On some TV's, renaming the Input to "PC" usually turns off all processing including overscan.
 

imadinosaur

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Hey, at least it's not as bad when you wanna watch a movie and your stupid friend decides to stretch the older format fullscreen movie to widescreen.

"Hey, dude. Why'd you do that? Now they look like they got squashed by a steamroller."

"What are you talking about? It's fine."

"Dude, are you blind? LOOK AT HIS FACE. LOOK AT IT"
 

Schrade

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Why haven't you posted the make and model of the TV yet. With information searches can be done to find out if it supports getting rid of the overscan or not.
 

dangeROSS

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I'm dealing with overscan issues with hooking my PC up to my Vizio TV right now. For the life of me I can't figure out a way to make the image fit the screen. No real options on the TV itself to correct things, and Nvidia control center doesn't seem to fix things either. Lame.
 

pants

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You may be able to see everything then, but you're still getting less resolution.
A better option than having half one's HUD rendering into the ether. That said though, only one of my televisions have this issue and it's the one I typically watch telly on, so not that much of an issue for me.
 

hlhbk

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Does anyone know if the PS4 has image adjustment? I know my TV has overscan that can't be turned off.
 

Krusenstern

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If you didn't notice it for five and a half years, maybe it's not worth having a big fit over.
I just found out I was living in a house full of a health-damaging asbestos but I didn't notice it all the years. So why bother now?

That really sucks OP. I would buy a new TV if there is no way to calibrate that.
 

staticneuron

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What's diagnostic mode and how do I access it ?

I can set my PS3 to 1080p and my television will display the image, but nothing is smaller; everything is the same. My TV is a 2008 (possibly 2007) model, 32", that cost less than 1000$. I don't think it's really 1080p.



yeah, I am now just realizing why so many games ask the player to resize the image when you boot it for the first time. And each and every time, I had to resize the image and was left scratching my head as to why the game simply didn't display the image properly in the first place.

I cannot believe that permanent overscan is a decision that was made by supposedly sane-minded individuals at the head of billion-dollar corporations.

Un-fucking-believable.
There you have it. Features, options, accurate light, color, and pixel representation are all things that get added as the price goes up. You purchase a TV that long ago at that price point you are not going to get the best options there. In 2007 I purchased a 56 inch DLP Samsung for quite a bit.... and it still had overscan. You had to go into the service menu to calibrate it (something like mute 187 when the tv was off iirc).

I purchased a Sony XBR led in 2012. Beautiful beast does not have that issue at all.
 

androvsky

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Does anyone know if the PS4 has image adjustment? I know my TV has overscan that can't be turned off.
Gloriously, the PS4 has overscan adjustment as a system-wide setting! Set it once on your TV and never have to worry about it again!!

And the web browser on the PS4 completely ignores it. :/
 

HTupolev

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Hey, at least it's not as bad when you wanna watch a movie and your stupid friend decides to stretch the older format fullscreen movie to widescreen.

"Hey, dude. Why'd you do that? Now they look like they got squashed by a steamroller."

"What are you talking about? It's fine."

"Dude, are you blind? LOOK AT HIS FACE. LOOK AT IT"
The kicker is when you correct it and they complain that the image is now squished.

Yay acclimation.
 

Schrade

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Why haven't you posted the make and model of the TV yet. With information searches can be done to find out if it supports getting rid of the overscan or not.
Going to quote myself here. Give us info.
 

aspiegamer

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If it's overscan overscan and not some weird kind of automatic zooming, it's a very small amount of screen. 10-20px per side, maybe?