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[JRW]

My main gaming TV used to be the last (consumer/retail) Sony CRT model produced and it was great (34" XBR960N) but I'm happy with its replacement which is a 50" Kuro Plasma, it actually has a brighter picture and better ANSI contrast which surprised me to say the least. (especially combined with the awesome black levels Kuro's are known for).

Gaming wise the Plasma has around 22ms input lag which is borderline but really hasn't been a noticeable problem over the years of playing 360,PS3,Wii and currently X1/PS4.

The analog connections on the TV do have higher lag tho so for example moving the wiimote around the screen has more of a delay than you'd expect but I played through many wii games without it being a real issue (hooked up via Component cables) I'm assuming Wii-U wouldn't have as much lag being it has HDMI support, when I tested PC connected via analog(VGA) it was around 45ms lag vs. 22ms over HDMI.

CRT definitely has the advantage here for the older / analog output consoles when it comes to input lag.

 

[clem84]

What I miss are light gun games. Without CRTs it's more complicated to pull off. The ones who released in the last 10 years were all based on some kind of motion control technology, which is usually very laggy. Light gun games on old CRTs played perfectly.

Maybe they'll come up with something that performs better at some point.

 

[Sakura]

I'm not sure why they would never know about it. Black and white TVs were long before my generation, but I still know about them.

 

[brawly]

They won't know CTR either

The bigger crime

 

[vocab]

Good. CRT's were a pain in the ass.

 

[Mivey]

They won't know CTR either

Competitive trail riding? I never really got into equestrian sport, unfortunately.

 

[nateify]

I'm rather young (under twenty) and my lust for retro gaming had me get a modest CRT at a thrift shop. I think there may be just a few more young people who will discover a hidden desire for phosphor masks and scanlines.

But I believe there will come a time where too many CRTs have died out to make buying another one feasible. Could take decades with PVMs, but those are already a bitch to find.

 

[ElCidTmax]

I used to carry this thing to LAN parties. Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2040u Diamondtron Natural Flat 22" CRT Monitor:

That was a great monitor for gaming - played a lot of Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament with that thing.

68.3 pounds!

 

[Nuu]

Never got the love for CRTs. Bulky, heavy, and small. I only appreciate them for pixel art and even then emulation can do a reasonably good job of well emulating the experience.

 

[Rich!]

Aren't they? I've never noticed a difference and I still play PS1 games on my old CRT. It's just as responsive as my LCD, which is to say instant.

Honestly. And I'm a massive fan of emulation, as my many threads prove.

Whenever I plug in my JP megadrive and play Sonic 2 on my CRT I am amazed at just how responsive it is. And I've tested it too via hardware. CRT beats my TV hands down - and my TV was chosen specifically as a model with the least lag possible.

One thing I absolutely do not miss from the CRT era though is the migraines. I suffer from cluster headaches, and one particularly bad spell can wipe out two days for me (thank fuck my work understands)

Back in the mid to late 90s I used to spend hours upon hours on my PC, messing with custom tech in DOS, hacking NES games through homebrew and NESticle, etc. And it hurt like hell. Oh god, that shit burnt through my eyeballs

 

[SpiceMelange]

I don't know what your point is

There's not gonna be many 1ms panels with input lag, though I know response time and input lag are different things.

Point is, pointing out ghosting of a monitor tell us nothing of actual input lag. They are completely different things. And from what I've seen from displaylag.com, the best LEDs still aren't close to CRTs.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

well I can't see why top CS:GO, Dota, Street Fighter, etc players would use the 1ms panels over CRTs if they weren't

I had an old Sony trinitron CRT that went to 120hz but why would I play CS at 4:3 120hz when I can play 1920x1080 @ 144hz

Here are some of the resolutions my old CRT can do

• 2560x1600 at 60hz
• 2304x1440 at 80hz
• 1920x1200 at 96hz
• 1680x1050 at 100hz
• 1152x720 at 160hz

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Unless Nintendo pulls out Melee HD, CRTs are still gonna be kicking.

Where are people going to get them from though? No new ones are being manufactured, and they all break sooner or later.

 

[Swarna]

no

1ms 144hz LEDs are better than CRTs

They don't match or come close to CRT's in input lag. Just because they are labelled as having 1 ms response doesn't mean it's exactly just 1 ms lag.

Competitive players don't use CRT's because CRT's aren't even available anymore. dafuq with that logic lmaoo

 

[Rich!]

CRTs are instant. no lag.

nothing beats a fucking laser. nothing. and, as I learnt being an employee of a Sony Centre near twenty years ago, Trinitron TVs had three lasers burning into your eyeballs. Awesome.

 

[EoinOL]

Where are people going to get them from though? No new ones are being manufactured, and they all break sooner or later.

Their lifetimes are often decades though, even for cheaper models. There'll be a supply for many years to come.

 

[Rich!]

Their lifetimes are often decades though, even for cheaper models. There'll be a supply for many years to come.

My 28" 4:3 Sony is as good as the day it was manufactured (and the technican menu states it was 1994). RGB native input via SCART. It's fantastic. And it cost me £5.

 

[Coda]

I love my 20 inch Sony WEGA CRT. Amazing picture for retro games and component consoles such as the PS2 and original XBOX.

 

[PreyingShark]

Point is, pointing out ghosting of a monitor tell us nothing of actual input lag. They are completely different things. And from what I've seen from displaylag.com, the best LEDs still aren't close to CRTs.

What we've seen from displaylag.com shows us that the best LCDs are close to CRTs. CRTs would get about 8ms for the AVG measurements and about 15 ms for the BTM measurements. The device that site uses measures in terms of absolute input lag, not relative to CRTs.

EDIT: For reference on what I mean, look here. Leo Bodnar is the lag tester, while the camera is the relative number. See how the camera's number is much lower?

 

[ahoyhoy]

My Dad used to call the 37" CRT in our sun room the "neutron star". For some reason it felt like we moved it like every other month.

Good riddance.

 

[Credo]

I really need to find a smaller CRT to keep in storage. Every time I see games like Virtua Cop or Point Blank, it makes me sad that I won't be able to play any of them if I ever decide I want to.

 

[Giever]

CRTs are instant. no lag.

nothing beats a fucking laser. nothing. and, as I learnt being an employee of a Sony Centre near twenty years ago, Trinitron TVs had three lasers burning into your eyeballs. Awesome.

 

[_Ryo_]

I have a crappy offbrand Durabrand Digital TV CRT to play my og xbox, ps2, dreamcast, etc on.

I love it, games look and play great. And TV looks awesome as well. Very clear and not fuzzy like a lot of supposedly LCD HDTVs.

 

[KiraXD]

at least my daughter will... i have a great CRT ive kept for snes/genesis stuff.

 

[pottuvoi]

The youth will never know the struggle of carrying 25 kg monitors to LANs, the glassfront which you had to clean all the time... the demagnetizing sound that was oddly satisfying and of course the radiation that fucked with your eyes after x hours

The >100hz CRT were amazing, such a great image especially in motion.
Sadly I can see flickering quite well so <80hz is unimaginable for me. (Demoscene and being graphics nut did it in for me..)

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

What we've seen from displaylag.com shows us that the best LCDs are close to CRTs. CRTs would get about 8ms for the AVG measurements and about 15 ms for the BTM measurements. The device that site uses measures in terms of absolute input lag, not relative to CRTs.

EDIT: For reference on what I mean, look here. Leo Bodnar is the lag tester, while the camera is the relative number. See how the camera's number is much lower?

Neat site, but if they are testing CRT lag they may have issues if the device being used is HDMI. CRT's must convert digital signals (HDMI) to analog before anything can be sent to the display, thus creating lag. Using Component or Scart will bypass this lag.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

CRTs will live on in Sonic games.

 

[pineapplepizza]

It had to be posted:

 

[FyreWulff]

It had to be posted:

the desk required to hold that beast up also doubled as a bed

 

[KaYotiX]

Still remember my old CRT and old 32" Sony TV.....things needed a damn forklift to carry around

Also a huge as desk and entertainment center to hold em.

 

[ApharmdX]

I miss my Sony FW900, da gawd. Current displays still do a poor job at motion and input lag. You won't even notice how bad it is if you've been on LCD for years, though.

On the down side, perfect focus and geometry was tough to achieve on the big flat-tube displays.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Nothing more satisfying than the degauss sound.

In my high school programming class two rows of students did it at the same time. It was wonderful.

 

[Dishwalla]

Where are people going to get them from though? No new ones are being manufactured, and they all break sooner or later.

You can still get them for free off Craigslist in most areas. Seriously, check the free listings on your local Craigslist.

If not that, check local thrift stores, not Goodwill though because they are cutting back on accepting/stocking them.

 

[Brokun]

My first tv experience was on a tiny little CRT. When I was a teenager we upgraded to a 19" CRT and eventually got another 21". I thought these were HUGE.

My 3 year old sons first tv experience was on a 55" samsung LED. Welp.

 

[Sub_Level]

Moving CRTs up stairs and through doorways is what puts hairs on your chest.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Don't worry, I'm sure Melee players in the future won't stop talking about it.

 

[King Gilga]

melee is still a huge game so they know

Yes.

I imagine speedrunners for several games would still use older TV sets too, but I don't really know.

Neither if these things matter or are relevant to 99.999999% of people.

So no.

 

[Qassim]

whoa technology gets better as time passes


















mind blown

 

[Sesuadra]

I wish I could get my hands on a 15" CRT. but it is close to impossible. ;_;

 

[Luigi87]

*hugs 14" Toshiba CRT from 2005*
Bought it a month ago for $15. Love it.

 

[pineapplepizza]

the desk required to hold that beast up also doubled as a bed

Lmao 2in1

 

[PreyingShark]

Neat site, but if they are testing CRT lag they may have issues if the device being used is HDMI. CRT's must convert digital signals (HDMI) to analog before anything can be sent to the display, thus creating lag. Using Component or Scart will bypass this lag.

They haven't tested CRT lag, probably for that reason. My "measurements" for what a CRT would get is based on a knowledge of how they work combined with comparing lag tester measurements to those done with high FPS cameras (since as you could probably guess, 60 FPS cameras can be off quite a bit). They could be off by a couple ms but they should be pretty close, since most CRT TVs work the same. Sorry, should've clarified that

 

[Gerugamesh]

They also won't know the desperation of keeping your console on 24/7 because they don't have a memory card. Truly we are the blessed generation.

 

[Luigi87]

Also relevant

 

[Mega]

no

1ms 144hz LEDs are better than CRTs

No, they're not. LEDs have worse black levels, higher input lag and not yet fully resolved issues with eye-induced motion blur due to the persistent image between refreshes.

Pro-grade OLED monitors ($xx,000+) have finally bested the contrast/black levels of CRTs but fail in the other areas mentioned. While some gamer monitors are good enough, they still have not surpassed CRTs where it matters most.

Remember Zip Drives?

I purchased a USB Zip drive on eBay yesterday. I have a 250MB disk from my school days and I want to extract the contents.

Plasmas have substantial input lag. My Panasonic is great looking, but calibration on Rock Band indicates more than double the input lag of the old LCD TV, and playing fighting games on it puts me at a noticeable disadvantage online. You're thinking of pixel refresh, which is indeed superior on plasmas.

Agreed. My Panny plasma has great colors, contrast and not terrible blur (still obvious and present), but the input lag is terrible and ultimately pushed me into CRT gaming last year.

 

[palpabl_purpura]

My first tv experience was on a tiny little CRT. When I was a teenager we upgraded to a 19" CRT and eventually got another 21". I thought these were HUGE.

My 3 year old sons first tv experience was on a 55" samsung LED. Welp.

Nothing beats a 350 lb behemoth that is RPCRT, mine was 65 inches. It just died last year at the age of 15. I remember when I bought that thing- couldn't get it up the stairs into my apartment. Then, I figured out the top and bottom cabinets separated- still needed two people to get each compartment up the stairs.

 

[mStudios]

CRT needs to die already.

 

[HTupolev]

The panel technology that caused CRT to die needs to functionally catch up to CRT already.

FTFY

 

[Jin]

This was my beast and i adored playing the OG Xbox on it. Moving it? Not so much.

My friend got stuck moving this up the stairs. It was a humongous CRT and he and his buddy got halfway up the stairs and for whatever reason got stuck and had to call another friend to come to help.

 

[Conduit]

Grandpa :

Long time ago there was Sony Trinitron CRT TV.