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I just realized... future generations won't know CRT anymore

I'm pretty sure current generations already don't know CRT.

The nonexistent input lag, the perfect motion resolution, the extremely high refresh rates were all things we gave up when we moved to LCD. It's too bad that CRTs used enormous amounts of power and couldn't get very big before they were impossibly huge and heavy and unmanageable.

I understand that my 65" LCD TV would have to be a huge unmovable object rear projection set if it were a CRT, but sometimes I still feel sad about what we lost to get here.
 
There isnt one single damn thing I'll miss about those old TVs. My 46 inch Samsung LCD has such a great image and I have no plans to play old super nes games on it.

Xbox one and Blu-ray movies, never looking back! For any retro gaming that's what my PC is for.
 
This always comes from old people that severely overestimate how quickly people adopt new tech. I was born in 97 and guess what I know what floppy drives are, hell my little brother knows what a floppy drive is and he was born in the 2000s. We'll be seeing crts for a long ass time and media can enlighten kids on shitty formats and hardware in the future.

Edit: Unknown Soldier, I can assure you someone born in 2001 has seen a crt.
I see old crts from the 70s all the time.
 
They are going to be around for a while, hell, my parents still have one of those bigass screens that doubles as a shelf in their living room.
 
SalvaPot said:
They are going to be around for a while, hell, my parents still have one of those bigass screens that doubles as a shelf in their living room.
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My friends dad has a 100 ft long crt that has the picture quality of a toilet. His kids where born back in 05 too.
 
Think of how few kids these days know about film, much less wet plates. The evolution of technology doesn't naturally maintain quality/fidelity.
 
JoseLopez said:
Edit: Unknown Soldier, I can assure you someone born in 2001 has seen a crt.
I see old crts from the 70s all the time.
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My son was born in 2000, and although I had a crt when he was born he doesnt remember them.

Where do you see them all the time, I never see them anymore.
 
neerg said:
My son was born in 2000, and although I had a crt when he was born he doesnt remember them.

Where do you see them all the time, I never see them anymore.
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All my friends have parents born in the 60s that have appliances from the 90s and in HS all the TVS are crts. I'm sure your kid has seem them somewhere but just doesn't know the name.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
It's too bad that CRTs used enormous amounts of power and couldn't get very big before they were impossibly huge and heavy and unmanageable.
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Typical CRTs (20-30") use a lot less power than typical plasmas (40-50") and about the same as typical LCDs. The yearly dollar amount savings between CRT, plasma, LCD are negligible. Both of my 20" CRTs (Sony BVM and PVM) use 120-125W. Even if you're talking about a LED that uses 30W, we're talking about a difference of like $15/year. See here:
http://energyusecalculator.com/electricity_lcdleddisplay.htm

The single factor that killed CRTs was bulkiness and weight.
 
I have a 29" Trinitron I use exclusively for Saturn gaming (and soon, my PC Engine & CD-ROM/2, as soon as I get my IFU RGB-modded). Super duper clean and crisp visuals and proper 15kHz output, true, but the picture is offset to the left by about 7 mm (in RGB Game Mode) which is an unfortunate "feature" of most SCART TVs and is very annoying. I would call a TV repairman to fix it for me, but I don't know of any in my locality who even do CRTs anymore. Oh well, I guess I can deal, it's only 7mm.

I also have an old 20" CRT PC monitor that weighs more than I do, and a smaller Trinitron portable for when/if my current one follows the zeitgeist in the sky. So at least I'm set.
 
I have a small Hikona TV DVD combo still hooked in a spare room.
Has a Wii connected to it with a HDD with all my Wii/GC games on it and my two year old nephew uses it to watch Paw Patrol DVDs or sometimes use the Wii netflix.

Think I might connect the PS2 up to it as well, is it hard modding PS2s to run games off a HDD?
 
JoseLopez said:
All my friends have parents born in the 60s that have appliances from the 90s and in HS all the TVS are crts. I'm sure your kid has seem them somewhere but just doesn't know the name.
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Maybe a region thing, I live in the south of England. My parents were born in the 40's, went flat screen before I did. They also don't keep old electronics, especially something as bulky as a crt. None of my friends or their parents have one (that I'm aware of)
 
Rich! said:
As I said in the CRT thread, it always renders me near speechless when I go back to my 28" 4:3 RGB Sony Trinitron. There is no input lag. I press a button and the action occurs immediately. It's so hard to express in words or even recall until trying it again.

Why can't modern TVs be as responsive? Fucking shit.
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LED tvs can't. Plasma can and so can OLEDs. LCD won the TV segment war though and its the shittiest of all display technologies. Also CRTs had almost 5 decades to improve and reinvent themselves.

Can't wait until OLEDs are cheaper.
 
lol at all the people who loathe the weight of old CRTs. You're not supposed to move it around every other week.
 
watership said:
LED tvs can't. Plasma can and so can OLEDs. LCD won the TV segment war though and its the shittiest of all display technologies. Also CRTs had almost 5 decades to improve and reinvent themselves.
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In regard to input lag, CRT never had any. it didn't come as an improvement in the fifth decade, it's just that the technology was spot on to begin with. The only improvements CRTs had was colour, then many years later slim tubes and flat screen, which were not that great for geometry.

Plasma and OLED and any other modern tech cannot display an SD source without adding input lag. Any display with a fixed resolution has to upscale and add delay, it's just the way it is.
 
I love my CRT. I'm going to be keeping at least one for the rest of my gaming career as I'm extremely sensitive to input lag.

For those curious, I did an experiment once and found that certain (standard def!) CRTs actually have measurable amounts of lag, even when compared to another CRT. You can read about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/32a48x/not_all_crts_are_created_equal_detailsspeculation/

My quest for a component capable, truly lagless CRT continues.
 
My daughter will know. Gonna hang on to one last CRT for a while.

But it's a good thing she missed the dark days where CRT was dying out but LCD was fucking crap.
 
had to throw away 3 of them last year. pain.in.the.ass. one was my old sony, noooooooo

they were all broken. still pondering if i should get a replacement or not.
 
So the only downsides of crt was weight, heat and power consumption?Does LCD have any advantages to crt in terms of visuals?
 
So like do kids in school not have those A/V carts with the TV sets and the VCR's on them? Do classrooms now have TVs mounted to the walls?
 
Soltype said:
So the only downsides of crt was weight, heat and power consumption?Does LCD have any advantages to crt in terms of visuals?
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If form factor counts, that's the obvious one. You can feasible make LCDs both much smaller and much larger than CRTs.

Reconstruction filter is a tricky one. At a given resolution an LCD will usually be sharper than a CRT, but only because it's reconstructing pixels as hard rectangles, which is atrocious in terms of adding aliasing at the output.

LCDs tend to be capable of a wider chromaticity gamut.
 
They already don't know a world without online gaming or, at the most, a world of dial-up online gaming.

Nothing was more frustrating then playing some Doom Deathmatch only to have the game crash because someone called your house.
 
My son and daughter know CRT! Got 3 in the mancave, going strong. I've already ranted to them, old man style, on their benefits for my 2D stuff.
 
They won't know pay phones, writing letters by hand and waiting a week for reply, floppy discs, cassettes, VHS, and Beta... Or returning VHS and DVDs to a store filled wall to wall with them. They won't know cameras with film inside and 1 hour photo development.

This kinda development pace is kind of amazing, not just from my own perspective, but when I look back at my 90 YO grandfather as well. Light bulbs were a recent development that took years to proliferate in his part of the world. Auto mobiles and consumer grade chlorine (fucking Clorox!) as well. I like to think we're in a sort of Cambrian age (or maybe just before it) after the industrial revolution. We can look back in astonishment at how humanity ever got along more or less the same for several millennia before. In the span of... what? A few hundred years, we've dwarfed tenological achievements that took ages before. The south west of the US was known as the "Wild West..." My grandfather was born just 14 years after Arizona became a state.
 
HTupolev said:
If form factor counts, that's the obvious one. You can feasible make LCDs both much smaller and much larger than CRTs.

Reconstruction filter is a tricky one. At a given resolution an LCD will usually be sharper than a CRT, but only because it's reconstructing pixels as hard rectangles, which is atrocious in terms of adding aliasing at the output.

LCDs tend to be capable of a wider chromaticity gamut.
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It sounds like they are still very good for visuals, is it possible make the form factor smaller.It's just weird that the industry swept them away when the replacement wasn't as good.
 
where's the thread about buying old television channels SD pro equipment for great CRT gaming?

thinking of getting an 8" sony trinitron....
 
Soltype said:
It sounds like they are still very good for visuals, is it possible make the form factor smaller.It's just weird that the industry swept them away when the replacement wasn't as good.
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Also cost. LCD was much cheaper to produce. Also I'm not sure what the scalabilty in res was like. They might have had to gone SED to fix some of those.

Honestly OLED has the ability when mature to fix 95% percent of the issues the only thing CRT would be better on is multiple resolutions. But that isn't as bad as resolutions get higher as more resolutions tend to be devisable by the resolution.

Also I have an old 25 inch Samsun CRT in my room from the last of the CRT days. Thing must way 100+ lbs
 
Can you buy new CRTs anywhere? or used ones are the only way?
I really wanna have a good CRT one day again when i have the space.

Edit: Oooow, LAN parties!?...i miss them :(
No lag MP online is the best online, even if it was Quake 3 on 2006 :D
 
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