Was going to make a snarky comment about positive impressions, but this'll do just fine.
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I played around with an Xbox One today, some impressions (Controller, Forza 5, noise)
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Was going to make a snarky comment about positive impressions, but this'll do just fine.
DirgeExtinction
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bleachrude
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Er...this may sound silly but aren't these demo games the ones from E3 and Gamescom?
I think many people still don't understand how much trouble it is to create a demo....and assume any demo is the latest build of the game...
I think many people still don't understand how much trouble it is to create a demo....and assume any demo is the latest build of the game...
SRTtoZ
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Probably not. Its a very very small difference. The bigger difference will be the newer/final 'builds', not the actual power they've added to the system.
TheChewyWaffles
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No, is it yours?
Forza 4 was already 60 FPS, vsynced, and had 2X AA. I hoped this would be a nonissue this gen, but they say maybe when we have 4k consoles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqZ4UtBhF0
mickcenary
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Having played with the XB1 at the EB Expo, I can confirm that the triggers are pretty wonderful and definitely a step up; very smooth and with a great balance of resistance/'clickyness'.
The bumpers, on the other hand, are atrocious. And this is coming from someone who adores the 360 controller. They're just far too spongy and require such effort to get them to register. The problem is that the 'sweet spot' - more the 'acceptable spot', actually - of the bumper doesn't lie underneath where any average sized hand's fingers would rest. You have to make a conscious effort to hook your finger inwards and press the outermost point of the bumper to get the click. It is repugnant to good ergonomics.
I played around with a 360 controller immediately after and the difference was night and day. Quite sad, regardless of your console loyalty.
The bumpers, on the other hand, are atrocious. And this is coming from someone who adores the 360 controller. They're just far too spongy and require such effort to get them to register. The problem is that the 'sweet spot' - more the 'acceptable spot', actually - of the bumper doesn't lie underneath where any average sized hand's fingers would rest. You have to make a conscious effort to hook your finger inwards and press the outermost point of the bumper to get the click. It is repugnant to good ergonomics.
I played around with a 360 controller immediately after and the difference was night and day. Quite sad, regardless of your console loyalty.
mullet2000
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There's been a couple articles lately with negative impressions. Easy to miss them if you weren't on GAF that day or something.
There definitely won't be the issue you cited with this d-pad, no way.
Same here
A little touchy?
I'm just asking since you seem pretty disappointed by launch games visuals.
What did you expect? They're launch games, it's always been this way.
zackmorris
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I'm getting a PS4 but am really interested in feeling out the new Xbox
mickcenary
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In a nutshell, I would say that the ergonomics of the 360 controller are better than both. The prongs on the X1 are angled outward a bit too much for my liking and the DS4 is still that little bit too small to be considered perfect.
Where the next gen controllers seem to absolutely slay their current gen counterparts is in the smoothness and more finite movement of the joysticks and triggers.
Though the DS's layout has never been an issue for me, I'm definitely #teamasymmetricalsticks, but on first impressions, the bumpers are as 'deal breaker' as a controller component can get; more so than the 360 d-pad.
3rdamention
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In the other threads, many are saying the jaggies and appearance of Forza are problems with the calibration of the televisions. Maybe the television was all jacked up and was producing the jaggies and making it not as impressive as you would have hoped? That seems to be a common thought in the other threads.
And also Penello said you should not base really base your opinions on the operating system, Kinect functionality, or quality of the games based on these early demo units they have set up for people. They are using older builds of everything. He says the latest updates he has played, looks and functions much better than you are going to find on these demo units or on the Xbox Truck.
And also Penello said you should not base really base your opinions on the operating system, Kinect functionality, or quality of the games based on these early demo units they have set up for people. They are using older builds of everything. He says the latest updates he has played, looks and functions much better than you are going to find on these demo units or on the Xbox Truck.
SRTtoZ
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They are "hoping" its a sharpness issue but I would highly doubt that's the case.
LifeIsLife
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I also got to play a XBOX One today, Cross Iron Mills Mall Xbox One Road Show.
I wanted to chime in that I agree with alot of what the OP said. The controller feels great. Its design, contours, weight etc all felt really nice. The analog sticks seem very similar to the ones that were put on the Silver 360 controllers with the twistable d-pad, but shorter. I was super impressed with the trigger rumble as well, it was a weird sensation when i first jammed on the breaks in forza and the feedback in the trigger just added a little extra sense of conection with what was going on. This biggest example i can think of, is when the PS3 launched and was lacking rumble, even though its somthing subtle, I had become accustomed to that small amount of feedback from impact in scenes and now that it was missing i noticed it. I feel the same way about the one controller.
I got to see and play with Forza 5, Killer instinct and the dashboard. I do like the forza series, im not a hardcore racing person but this series did enough to draw me in. In all honesty, I couldnt tell much of a difference between Forza 4 and this. Im sure side by side there is, but the graphical leap that this generation is offering in launch titles didnt blow me away. The amount of, or for a better term, lack of aliasing in Forza 5 was also super distracting. Maybe this is a early build or maybe this is a caveat of making launch but i was seriously hoping we were done with these types of issues for next gen.
Killer instinct, i just think by its nature is kinda hard to be a wow factor. I thought the game looked and played super smooth and fast, but if you had told me this was a 360 game, i wouldn't be hard to find fault. I'm not trying to diss the game but it can be very hard to make a fighting game show off the graphical powers of a system.
the dashboard seemed super responsive and for what it was functional, however its not the final release, it even said something like "XBox One Kiosk Dash" on it and there was very little functionality to it outside of popping in and out of the game.
I wanted to chime in that I agree with alot of what the OP said. The controller feels great. Its design, contours, weight etc all felt really nice. The analog sticks seem very similar to the ones that were put on the Silver 360 controllers with the twistable d-pad, but shorter. I was super impressed with the trigger rumble as well, it was a weird sensation when i first jammed on the breaks in forza and the feedback in the trigger just added a little extra sense of conection with what was going on. This biggest example i can think of, is when the PS3 launched and was lacking rumble, even though its somthing subtle, I had become accustomed to that small amount of feedback from impact in scenes and now that it was missing i noticed it. I feel the same way about the one controller.
I got to see and play with Forza 5, Killer instinct and the dashboard. I do like the forza series, im not a hardcore racing person but this series did enough to draw me in. In all honesty, I couldnt tell much of a difference between Forza 4 and this. Im sure side by side there is, but the graphical leap that this generation is offering in launch titles didnt blow me away. The amount of, or for a better term, lack of aliasing in Forza 5 was also super distracting. Maybe this is a early build or maybe this is a caveat of making launch but i was seriously hoping we were done with these types of issues for next gen.
Killer instinct, i just think by its nature is kinda hard to be a wow factor. I thought the game looked and played super smooth and fast, but if you had told me this was a 360 game, i wouldn't be hard to find fault. I'm not trying to diss the game but it can be very hard to make a fighting game show off the graphical powers of a system.
the dashboard seemed super responsive and for what it was functional, however its not the final release, it even said something like "XBox One Kiosk Dash" on it and there was very little functionality to it outside of popping in and out of the game.
Agent Matt
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That's the first think I noticed when picking up the Xbone controller for the first time. I have fairly large hands and my pointer fingers can rest comfortably on the 360 bumpers. However, on the Xbone I have to bend my fingers upwards quite a bit to hit the bumpers. It's extremely awkward and uncomfortable.
I am surprised more people aren't talking about this issue. I pointed it out to the people I was with when I test drove the controller and they all agreed the bumpers were a step back compared to 360.
I don't recall the exact link - I think one was Wired and the other CNET? Maybe?
One came out the day of the announcement, the other a few days before. The ones with the shots of all the printed controllers, another one had a shot of the room with the special foam silencing fins.
Good articles, it's obvious MS is at least trying damned hard to produce a reliable / quiet console. We'll see if it pans out, for their sake I hope so.
Chaostar
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Must've missed them.
Guess you can't please everyone though, I assume the bone pad will be great. Only thing that might trip it up is the weird trigger/shoulder config noted in the OP.
Pound_lb003
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Just.... Be patient and give it some time man. You'll only go and spend a grand on getting a rig that struggles with the second wave next-gen titles.
Muppet of a Man
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What is that line again? If it don't need fixin', ...
I think it might be because there is no mechanical actuator. Rather it activates via a electromagnetic field or something like that.
SneakyStephan
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Yeah no that last part isn't gona happen.
HDDs rarely last for ten years of regular use, let alone ten years of 24/7 on time.
I doubt they put in expensive high end server grade hard drives, probably some generic hitachi 500GB drive.
The DVR functionality will also significantly reduce the lifetime of the HDD
I'm on my 3rd DVR in 5 years time, and both time I went in for a replacement at my local TV provider store there was a line of people doing the same.
Mechanical parts never have a long life unless they are overengineered (and expensive)
Garrus Vakarian
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Wait do your really think this is the case? I am trying to make the same decision now, when should we be looking at upgrading then?
What he said was that the games demoed are old builds from E3 and Gamescom.
Damn.
My mind is sorta blown on how Microsoft messed with the bumpers so much. Were they built and designed that way due to the trigger rumble feature? That's the only reason why them changing up the bumper design so much makes any sense.
Yep. The triggers/bumpers had to be fattened up for the stupid rumble bullshit.
Very disappointed about the jaggies plaguing games still.
Pound_lb003
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Given the PC spec on some of these early gen (read: cross gen) titles, damn right I think that's the case.
And if you weren't around for last gen then it was the same thing.
I used a (£1000) PC just after the 360 came out... Worst decision ever, games on the 360 look way better than I could get them to run.
yeah. this is what i meant by my reference to his quote. simply that they are older builds. i think Ryse is evidence enough that these games have been making great strides in overall polish
unsure. not discounting anything though as im not very technically knowledgeable.
Project Alice
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Project Alice
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They don't make new builds every couple of weeks leading up to launch. They're busy finishing the games. Hence, you get to demo old builds. Not the end of the world. It's understandable.
I fixed your post for you.
Also I have a box of hard drives here all of them working, all of them 6 to 15 years old.
Sure, 10 years may see a few drop off but it's far more likely that an Xbox One will last 10 years, than a launch Xbox 360.
Caayn
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It takes time to create a new build. Time is very, very, valuable right now as developers have very limited time to get their games ready for the launch.
Sephiroth_VII
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Weren't there some people here on GAF saying that the small size of the eSRAM meant that doing decent AA on 1080p titles would be problematic? Perhaps that's what we're seeing here?
PumpkinPie
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Hmm I can't imagine liking a higher ridge around the analog sticks. I prefer the convex surface of the Wii U sticks to the 360 as it is.
Joke post? We all know how reliable the launch 360s were...
Phat Michael
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Have you looked at SF4, Injustice, MK9 and any other fighter on a 360 and then compare it? I really find this hard to believe. Not saying you have an agenda but ive seen the hi res 60fps videos of KI and they look miles ahead of anything on the current gen systems in terms of fighting games.
Phat Michael
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He's saying that because the launch 360s were so unrealiable that MS would make every extra effort to make sure it doesnt happen again.
Since the guy has actually played KI on an Xbox one and you've only seen videos i think I'm more inclined to believe him.
Just for clarification on your post OP, I went through your post history. Apparently that's how NeoGAF members determine whether you are trolling or being serious.
The only public showcase of the Xbox One in Australia has been at the EB Games Expo. Other than that, I don't think us Aussies will be getting any hands-on with the console prior to launch.
From what I've read and heard, the Xbox One controller isn't as amazing as the Xbox 360 controller. I guess people just got use to what they had and don't want change, just like how a lot of 'em (or just gamers in general) had a massive bitch about what Microsoft wanted to implement into the Xbox One.
Here's hoping that their opinions are just biased based on their Xbox 360 experience, or are simply being negative because they have nothing better to do with their time and feed the fanboys their daily vitamins.
The only public showcase of the Xbox One in Australia has been at the EB Games Expo. Other than that, I don't think us Aussies will be getting any hands-on with the console prior to launch.
From what I've read and heard, the Xbox One controller isn't as amazing as the Xbox 360 controller. I guess people just got use to what they had and don't want change, just like how a lot of 'em (or just gamers in general) had a massive bitch about what Microsoft wanted to implement into the Xbox One.
Here's hoping that their opinions are just biased based on their Xbox 360 experience, or are simply being negative because they have nothing better to do with their time and feed the fanboys their daily vitamins.
I think you're misunderstanding my point, Microsoft specifically want to focus on reliability, due to the issues with the 360.
So I had a go as well. There was no one so o took my time with it. It was my first time and as soon as I picked up the Xbox one controller I felt right at home. I agree with mostly everything said in OP about the controller, but most of the small complaints are such non issues. I had no problems whatsoever. It really is a case of nitpicking just for the sake of it. The controller is great and anyone picking up a xb1 will be happy and satisfied.
About forza 5, the demo was very meh but clearly an old build. I mean it was Laguna seca for crying out loud. I've seen this track a million times... and yeah looks good but wtv. I found the colors extremely bright and everything looked sharp. Yes there were a few jaggies but that's because I was an arm length away from the TV.
My biggest surprise was how small the Xbox was and how the Kinect now doesn't look like a toy compared to the previous one.
Oh and I found it funny how the a 10 year old kid was only asking questions to the rep about call of duty lol.
About forza 5, the demo was very meh but clearly an old build. I mean it was Laguna seca for crying out loud. I've seen this track a million times... and yeah looks good but wtv. I found the colors extremely bright and everything looked sharp. Yes there were a few jaggies but that's because I was an arm length away from the TV.
My biggest surprise was how small the Xbox was and how the Kinect now doesn't look like a toy compared to the previous one.
Oh and I found it funny how the a 10 year old kid was only asking questions to the rep about call of duty lol.