GoofsterStud
Member
Steam did a great job deleting those. It was obvious when you watched how fast they were deleted and the problem was everywhere.
I love corporate cover ups.
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Steam did a great job deleting those. It was obvious when you watched how fast they were deleted and the problem was everywhere.
I love corporate cover ups.
GoofsterStud
Member
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Steam did a great job deleting those. It was obvious when you watched how fast they were deleted and the problem was everywhere.
I love corporate cover ups.
If Steam accounts were being banned for SPUF posts, people would be aware of it.
Just like most people (except you apparently) are aware that EA were doing that.
Steam did a great job deleting those. It was obvious when you watched how fast they were deleted and the problem was everywhere.
I love corporate cover ups.
If "the problem was everywhere", I'm sure it can't be hard to dig up at least one claim. My Google-Fu certainly isn't up to the task, but perhaps yours is.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Steam did a great job deleting those. It was obvious when you watched how fast they were deleted and the problem was everywhere.
I love corporate cover ups.
Buddy.
I think you'll find that even the people that think this is a huge issue are going to stop and slowly start walking away from you when you start talking about how Valve is doing black hat hackjobs and furiously deleting threads and forum posts.
Oh, and that Valve is corporate.
You are aware that Valve is an independent company, right?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Steam © 2012 Valve Corporation
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yeah, I walked right into that one. It sounded like they were posting in more of a "stockholders" response.
GoofsterStud
Member
Just go to
Steam EULA (7-31-2012) discussion, all other related threads will be locked/merged
Crap I'm tired. Looks like you were right and I'm not level headed.
They were clearly threatening people who were going to do charge-backs, but then this stuff started happening.
"Going off what's been posted, now it just gets it put into a locked down state, you can play, but can't trade, buy, ect ect. Not sure on if it's true or not. "
So those who agree to the terms and do a charge-back have more privileges in Steam then those that don't agree. I don't get it.
Night, Night.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yes, that's really threatening. They are locking or merging all related threads. There's nothing common to internet forums about that at all.
Just because something sounds like it backs up your claims, doesn't mean that it does. The worst thing you could possibly do is start linking to things just because they are related to the topic. Don't get so caught up in the chase that you start going out and trying to find new things to hunt.
Yeah, I've mentioned as much before, and, moral standpoint aside, it's the reason why I'm against the SSA being tethered to account access. Given the underlying functionality exists, declining the SSA should result in a restricted account mode until such a time that the user wishes to change his/her mind -- nothing more, nothing less.
Valve isn't going to comment unless its stance on the SSA and account access changes.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Someone will. It's too high profile.
But will they answer? They might. I mean, they've publicly stated you will be given your Steam Games if Steam ever gets destroyed.
Teletraan1
Banned
How can they guarantee that. Are the games even theirs to give away? If the games you paid for aren't yours they sure as hell aren't valves unless it is only the valve games they were talking about. Do you have the quote for this?
faceless007
Member
To my knowledge it's never been outwardly confirmed. Supposedly Gabe posted it on the Steam forums years ago but it's since been deleted; I'm not sure anyone ever saw it firsthand, just a screenshot that floats around.
Even so, if they had implemented a mass DRM-stripping patch years ago, doesn't prove they still plan on using it today or that it would even still work today. It's not even clear if they would have the authority to do it for games not published by them. Valve certainly hasn't made much effort to make it explicit on any support pages or on any customer-facing sites.
Even so, if they had implemented a mass DRM-stripping patch years ago, doesn't prove they still plan on using it today or that it would even still work today. It's not even clear if they would have the authority to do it for games not published by them. Valve certainly hasn't made much effort to make it explicit on any support pages or on any customer-facing sites.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Oh, okay. Didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Afaik the whole Steam unlocking thing is a complete urban myth. Nothing has ever been publicly stated afaik. There is no official mention of it anywhere. Seems like wishful thinking from fans at best and deliberate misinformation by Valve to soothe concerns at worst.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Which is it? Valve didn't say it, or Valve did say it but they're being sneaky liars?
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
i thought it would be obvious that it was the wishful thinking part.
You know, after checking the topic that GoofsterStar suggested, I see no evidence of people being banned from Steam just because they were banned on the forums. Yes, people are being banned from the forum, but that's probably because they were breaking the forum rules. The only reason why the topic GoofsterStar suggested is relegated to being the only topic is to prevent people peeved at Valve from spamming their forums and instead have an actual discussion on the subject. If they can't log into Steam, that's because they haven't accepted the new Subscriber's Agreement yet.
CrookedRain
Member
Don't the Steam forums use a completely separate login?
Why would they do that?
It destroys their entire (extremely successful) business model.
Delusibeta
Banned
This is correct. It's pretty much a common or garden Vbulletin forum. GoofsterStar is talking out his/her arse.
They do.
water_wendi said:
Plenty of statements were made before Steam got big. They don't exist anymore for various obvious reasons.
GoofsterStud
Member
Corporate Greed.
It wouldn't be the first time a seemingly consumer friendly company turned into the biggest money grubber.
Dude I was tired and out of it. I even posted that I was wrong before I went to bed. Why are we still talking about this? I admit my mistakes. I am no coward.
Note: A lot has been removed by Steam moderators sense the incident. It is still possible that I did read it before it was deleted. Even if I did read it on the forums, it looks like that was not the case. I don't see the problem. Steam was in overdrive when this bomb hit and so were the consumers.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Your
XOMTOR
Member
I will admit that I love Steam but this issue does reinforce the notion that going forward, there needs to be more legislation enacted to protect consumers when it comes to "purchasing" digital content. DD is still in its infancy with all mediums but hopefully consumer protection will eventually reach parity with retail. Of course I imagine it'll take some congressman or senator to get burned in order to really get the ball rolling but in the meantime, threads like these can help cast a spotlight on these issues. There does seem to be plenty of pressure/lobbying to enact laws for digital content but it's all coming from the content producers' side and we know where there interests lie.
In the case of Valve, I have faith/hope they'll do the right thing and somehow enable you to decline new TOS agreements but keep access to your back catalog. They already do this for banned accounts do they not?
In the case of Valve, I have faith/hope they'll do the right thing and somehow enable you to decline new TOS agreements but keep access to your back catalog. They already do this for banned accounts do they not?
You're going off the deep end with that kind of extreme slippery slope argument. There's not 1 shred of evidence that Valve is even thinking about doing something like that so why even bring it up?
GoofsterStud
Member
The argument isn't that they are doing it. The argument is that they could. That is the whole reason people are bent out of shape in the first place. The holding your games hostage card has been played. There is no way to remove the impression.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Its not been the only wrong thing you've said. You take WaterWendi's anti Valve and Steam attitude to the extreme which is a feat in of itself. Congrats Wendi, you've lost your #1 anti Valve koo koo card.
There wasn't any indication of EA installing spyware on your PC either. It's all about the money. Who knows what will happen to Valve in 10 years?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Who knows if you will die tomorrow when walking out of your door? Bet you will still walk out.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
The point is relevant when you bring up a 10 year possibility. You still live your life without knowing what tomorrow brings. I am not going to live my life worrying about Valve turning evil in a decade. Sorry.
Who knows indeed. So why waste time worrying about what might not (probably not in all likelihood) happen to the point where you boycott the best thing going for PC gamers right now?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Yep. Exactly.
GoofsterStud
Member
Except we are boycotting the fact Steam can/will hold your previous purchases random card has been played. I really don't trust a company that goes back on previous statements and pulls a card no other company has dared to hold previously purchased content as leverage to get you to do what they want.
Reality is harsh. This isn't the same Steam we want to remember.
There is no reason to say Steam is consumer friendly anymore. If they truly were a consumer friendly company, this would have been fixed a long time ago. People would be playing there previously purchased games on a restricted client just like every other DD service. That is not the case. Steam has not fixed the issue.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Lol. Want to remember? How long have you been using Steam?
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Too much centralized control for my taste. Especially when you consider that the "generation" will never end. In console or hardware cycles there is a reset period. This doesnt occur with Steam.
GoofsterStud
Member
Why would a Monopoly be the best thing for any industry?
I am just wasting my time at this point.
I am just wasting my time at this point.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Yes. Yes, you are.
It'd be much easier to take you serious if you weren't such a Chicken little.
Steam has basically been a monopoly (as close as any 1 company will get in this industry) for the last few years and all they've done is add more and more optional but neat features, continued to have massive sale events, and added more and more steamworks games that allow flexibility to the customer and they also don't make any money when steamworks games are bought off other stores. The competition has had plenty of time to play catch up or better yet innovate themselves, and they've failed to do anything. Steam, despite being #1 by far, has been doing all of the innovating despite being #1 for so long. To suggest maybe things will change one day, while a possibility (as is anything), it has no logical or factual basis right this second.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Well, it has a basis in uh... an awful lot of monopolies in other industries, which started out in the exact same way that Steam did.
Steam isn't exactly a monopoly. There just has not yet been any other service for PC games that comes close to being as good as Steam with or without DRM. Origin, GFWL, and UPlay each have bigger problems as services when compared to Steam, which does have their problems as well. GOG and Desura may be well liked, but both also cater primarily to a specific niche, classic games and indie games respectfully.
What I want to see is a Sega to Steam's Nintendo... A PlayStation 3 to Steam's 360... I want to see a company willing to just challenge Steam head-on and match it feature to feature. I want to see a service that will motivate Valve to have to improve themselves.