That was never confirmed to be the case. Please don't spread that stuff around. The fact remains, the nature of the second job is unknown and doesn't have to be known by anyone.
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IGDA doesnt let Nintendo off the hook for firing Alison Rapp
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That was never confirmed to be the case. Please don't spread that stuff around. The fact remains, the nature of the second job is unknown and doesn't have to be known by anyone.
Why do you call it a "lie"? So far as I know it's at least plausible that's what it was, I'll admit I didn't scrutinize every last post in the last mega-thread.
Hunh?
How about I just think people should act with some sort of understandable logic? I don't know what the IGDA is hoping to accomplish here, really, other than a cheap shot at some sort of moral superiority.
Honestly though I'm finding your statement hard to parse.
SolicitorPirate
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I love Nintendo and have defended nearly every weird thing they've done. But fuck them. Capitulating to a hate group? What gutless cowards.
NinjaCoachZ
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Very happy to see IGDA use their influence to call Nintendo out. They absolutely deserved the wakeup call of being condemned for their actions in this situation. This is the kind of thing we need to see from the industry - solidarity among developers and against harassers.
I think I made my thoughts pre clear on the situation itself in the last couple of threads :V
No it wasn't, that is completely made up. Her second job is private, so we should respect that.
I think I made my thoughts pre clear on the situation itself in the last couple of threads :V
No it wasn't, that is completely made up. Her second job is private, so we should respect that.
Seriously? Incorrect.
This latest event has really soured Nintendo for me. I've been a life long fan, owned every console. I was already on the fence about the NX, but now I'm probably not getting it. If I do it will be late in the life cycle for it. I'm even thinking pretty hard about selling my Wii U. I just don't really like Nintendo as a company much anymore.
Not saying that this is what happened sis but you really think a company like Nintendo would allow something like that if the person involved was a man? A company that produces a lot of products aimed at kids and young audiences in general?
Anyway, if this is not the case people should not throw unconfirmed rumours as facts since it doesnt help anybody =/
Doesn't Nintendo Japan have a much better track record with women than most Japanese companies? I'm not saying they're ideal, just that I was under the impression that they weren't like the average corporation over there.
She's pretty mute about saying what the second job was, though. And she said she had that job anonymously/under another name.
And having a second job was fine by Nintendo's book.
So while those pictures weren't the problem, there's not a whole lot of job you'd take under another name while the company you work for allows you to have a second job. Especially if that company is family-friendly like Nintendo.
It's none of mine or our business though.
Schnozberry
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This is never going to happen.
Can everyone quit pretending she was illegally fired? Feel free to make your own judgement on Nintendo's moral failings, but she's not a victim of an illegality.
I think they're the only ones that even push that forward, that said, there's a lot more female developers in the Japanese industry in general.
Mechanized
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I'm glad people aren't forgetting about this.
This isn't going to go to court because if it does go to court, it will inevitably reveal what Alison's second job was and apparently it's something she would prefer to keep private.
The more this story gets out and the more it gets reported on, the more light is going to get shined on the second job. For the sake of Alison's privacy, it really is better just to let it go.
The more this story gets out and the more it gets reported on, the more light is going to get shined on the second job. For the sake of Alison's privacy, it really is better just to let it go.
Awesome stuff.
You know, what a world it would be if no one's puritanical mindset drove them to care what her other job was, and its reveal didn't negatively affect a harassed woman who was fired for becoming nothing but a "complication" to a company's bottom line.
You know, what a world it would be if no one's puritanical mindset drove them to care what her other job was, and its reveal didn't negatively affect a harassed woman who was fired for becoming nothing but a "complication" to a company's bottom line.
This is the real problem, right here. What a bunch of cunts.
nrvalleytime
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Friend. You really took time to type this out and still manage to believe this drivel?
God grief.
James Scott
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Seemed pretty cut and dry to me.
She did something against company policy (something that Nintendo nor Alison hasn't revealed, likely for her own sake).
It might of been revealed by an anonymous GGer, but the statement issued says that it wasn't because of GG's campaigning.
Not too sure how else they could've handled the situation.
Alison said that she was doing it under a pseudonym but was ratted out.
it's not the photo shoot and nothing that's common knowledge so we don't know what it is nor do I think either would want the news getting out
As for whether or not it's legitimate by legal standards, I imagine so or Alison could sue or seem more pissed at the very least.
She did something against company policy (something that Nintendo nor Alison hasn't revealed, likely for her own sake).
It might of been revealed by an anonymous GGer, but the statement issued says that it wasn't because of GG's campaigning.
Not too sure how else they could've handled the situation.
The official statement from Nintendo and the clarification from Alison says it had to do with a second job that was against company policy.
Alison said that she was doing it under a pseudonym but was ratted out.
it's not the photo shoot and nothing that's common knowledge so we don't know what it is nor do I think either would want the news getting out
As for whether or not it's legitimate by legal standards, I imagine so or Alison could sue or seem more pissed at the very least.
KuwabaraTheMan
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She was also facing a horrendous and public harassment campaign. It's just as plausible that she was trying to hide from the harassers and not bring that baggage into her second job.
She hasn't said what the job was, but it's honestly not our business, so I don't think that necessarily means that it was something bad. She might just not want to reveal all of that stuff in public and maintain some sort of privacy.
That's kind of how I feel at this point, especially looking at all the misinformation in this trhead
Way to respect her wishes.
Gamer @ Heart
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Legitimate by legal standards.
The issue is all the online stuff that lead to the spotlight getting shined on her, up to the firing, makes Nintendo the bad guy
AcademicSaucer
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You dont know, I dont know, We dont know.
Doesnt matter how sure you are in your head, its still speculation.
CertifiedFP
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Everyone keeps saying NOA, but how are we sure that it wasn't NOJ calling the shots again? They've been the ones who have initiated every major Treehouse dismissal of the past year.
RIP.
RIP.
hprshredder
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Man, it's always going to be 100% one direction or the other on GAF huh?
Every thread posted having to do with this is horrendous. Please just stop, GAF.
Every thread posted having to do with this is horrendous. Please just stop, GAF.
Bear Force One
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Mechanized
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Someone found out what her second job was and ratted to Nintendo. This gave Nintendo a reason to fire her. Contractually employees of Nintendo are not allowed to moonlight, but according to Alison it is actually very common and nobody cares. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, trying to remember from tweets.
Schnozberry
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Yes, she violated their policy. Nintendo's refusal to join the video game culture war on her behalf is what people take issue with.
Do we actually know that as a fact? I doubt Pranger's firing needed to go all the way to NCL, considering that most of what he said were NOA-facing statements.
NHarmonic.
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Great statement. Everything about this situation is really bitter and Nintendo keeps letting people down with their shit...
She did professional photoshoots (in various states of undress) where she incorporated Nintendo products. She specifiaclly thanked some rando on her twitter for sending her a nighty he bought off of her amazon wishlist. All from her twitter account where she shouted from the heavens she was a nintendo employee. It sucks she was harrased and it sucks she got fired but let it go
SmoothRunningGun
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Why do people automatically accept her version of what happened? If they wrongfully terminated her she should sue but it's odd that all these people on the outside are taking either side at their word without knowing what really went on. Only they know.
Her wishes are such because of the way the world is, not how it should be. I realize it's not up to me, pal.
A second job is fine with Nintendo. It was the nature of her second job that caused the problem.
No, moonlighting was perfectly fine, it was the nature of the second job.
Juke Joint Jezebel
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Now I'm genuinely curious just what that second job was if the industry is fairly relaxed on it usually! Must've been something different from the norm, that's for sure!
Yes but they also didn't support her at all during the idiotic attacks against her. Also the timing was horrible they should have just moved her somewhere else in the company. It just encourages dick heads.
Soltype
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I don't understand why Nintendo is catching flak for this then.This is weird
Yeah I agree, Nintendo should have stepped in but if she did have a second job that did not go with their company then that is a separate issue.
DannyDanger
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They made statement....
Oh my gawsh they suuuure showed Nintendo
Oh my gawsh they suuuure showed Nintendo
don't the pictures speak for themselves?
Yeah, Kyogoku even talked about her team being 50/50 men and women and how much more creative and mind opening the experience has been. She's also commented on that more women are joining Nintendo and there's much more than there has been when she first joined.
This one here is more an NoA issue.
CertifiedFP
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Pranger's dismissal came shortly after his statements reached Japanese gaming-press resulting in quite a bit of outrage out there. His ill-mannered Xenoblade comments came across as bad-mouthing MonolithSoft through the way they were translated.
Bear Force One
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Keeping the pressure on is fantastic. Nintendo is shit tier here.
Does straight up propagating and implementing life-and-career-killing harassment in the name of baseless and vile misogyny really deserve to be waved away as a "culture war?"
Gamer @ Heart
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This. If she was a behind the scenes player, it likely wouldn't have caused an uproar. But she wasnt hired to be behind the scenes, she was hired to be one of the faces.
What is wrong with you? Why would you even publicly post that?
Good on the IGDA -- I have to agree with an earlier post, it's kind of soured my opinion of NOA.
Garrett Hawke
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So we don't know that as a fact then?
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