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IGN: Kinect only works/functions when you're standing up
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CrushDance
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Sorry, worded it wrong. I just find it unbelievable that MS of all companies tested the device, found it it didn't work properly sitting down and said: "That's fine. Lets show it off to the world!" I thought they would dominate E3 with great games for Natal after them saying how they were courting major publishers and so forth. Now it seems like Kinect has way too many problems(Simple thing like sitting down) and just isn't ready.TheOddOne said:
A delay would be better than rushing it.
echoshifting
Banned
Okay, ya know what...like most (at least among gamers), I think Kinect looks like a shitty product and I would never buy one...at least not for myself, if my daughter were a bit older it would be tough to escape Kinectimals...but come on. There is no way this won't be fixed for launch.
That said. Typical Microsoft, bringing shit to market before they really know what the hell they're doing or they have all the kinks figured out. They've been doing this pretty much since the first Xbox was announced and it keeps getting worse.
That said. Typical Microsoft, bringing shit to market before they really know what the hell they're doing or they have all the kinks figured out. They've been doing this pretty much since the first Xbox was announced and it keeps getting worse.
Zombie James
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Wu-Gambino
Banned
Don't laugh, this is great
Once it flops they'll go back to making games
Once it flops they'll go back to making games
CrushDance
Banned
...Dude. The majority of their Natal stuff was recorded footage.Cynar said:
DevilWillcry
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:lol:lol:lol
I just cannot buy they'd release it if you can't even navigate the menus sitting down. Like this is 'delay for another year until you sort that shit out' kind of fail.
There's just no way,
it'd be hilarious if it were, but that's...just...that's right below 'doesn't work on black people' in terms of something they need to debunk right away.
There's just no way,
it'd be hilarious if it were, but that's...just...that's right below 'doesn't work on black people' in terms of something they need to debunk right away.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
On the fence.soldat7 said:
Jibber Hack said:
That's an awesome idea, hopefully someone can ask another in a position to answer this
CrushDance said:
yup, and it's pretty stupid to believe that the thing wouldn't work sitting down. We need more legitimate sources. I think it's crap but common sense says MS can't be this stupid.
Littleberu
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I'm not sure this is true. But, hate away, guys!
Graphics Horse
Member
TTP said:
Sad thing is it DOES have an IR sensor, isn't that heat vision already? But they only use it to track light reflected by their emitter.
Alx
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skyfinch said:
It didn't have to track it, all you saw was the raw depth data (with a small smoothering maybe), the camera detected something, but it didn't know it was a jacket or even a single object.
Anyway, people should stop thinking that MS just overlooked the case of people sitting, of course they didn't. But because it's a new product, they had many functions to develop, and some of them are not ready.
I'm confident in the possibility of tracking sitting people : the information is there, and as the processing is done by the console, they are not (too) limited by the hardware. Besides, separating an upper body from the background is not such a difficult task, and once it's done they're back to the same situation than with a standing body (even easier, since there are less degrees of freedom).
it's ok guys Dopeyfish said this thing is great especially for hardcore games, I'm sure standing is part of the package
probably a bulletpoint they'll put on the back, something they'd really want to advertise
"NOW INCLUDES THE INABILITY TO SIT DOWN WHILE PLAYING! STAY ALWAYS INVOLVED WITH KINECT*
*Seriously you can't sit down. Oh god what have we do--"
probably a bulletpoint they'll put on the back, something they'd really want to advertise
"NOW INCLUDES THE INABILITY TO SIT DOWN WHILE PLAYING! STAY ALWAYS INVOLVED WITH KINECT*
*Seriously you can't sit down. Oh god what have we do--"
Guy LeDouche
Banned
I was impressed by all the UI stuff yesterday, much more so than I expected, but I did think the guy on stage during the show looked super stiff as he waved to log in, hold his hand up to navigate the menus or dvd ff/rr, always with his legs super stiff and his arms straight at his sides.Vinci said:
looked, how you say? janky?
kyo_daikun
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JWong said:
What if it losses you because you blend into your furniture? Im guessing they are really going to struggle to get this working.
captmcblack
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There's no way this is really true; you'd think that this would be one of the first things they made sure would work before even demoing the thing to people. I need more evidence before the lulz are legit.
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Amir0x said:
STAY ERECT, STAY KINECT
Scalemail Ted
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Wario64 said:
even if it isn't a bullshot video .... looks like he's sitting in a low back office chair where his edge detection would still be completely possible!
echoshifting
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Amir0x said:
Seriously what happened to that dude? I haven't seen him in any of these threads since he proclaimed the Cirque do Soleil thing a grand success and guaranteed the rise of hardcore Kinecting
Air Zombie Meat
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echoshifting said:
He's busy trying to Kinect with reality.
Graphics Horse
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Alx said:
I thought that might be the case, but proper heat vision would be awesome.
Hopefully they'll have stereo heat vision cameras in the 3DSplus. :lol
NullPointer
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See how he has that wide stance, fully in view of the camera... and he's only sortof half-slouching?Zombie James said:
Kinect wants to see your crotch at all times it seems.
WINNER!Captain Pants said:
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
Yikes... this thread isn't going to go anywhere pleasant.
skyfinch said:
The Ubisoft demo didn't track anything when she took off her sweater:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-iZjILgm8E#t=00m40s
All the game is doing is displaying a visualization of the depth information from the IR camera. When she has the sweater on it's close enough to her body that it shows up in the "depth map" that they've used to edge detect her body in order to isolate and display it. The minute she throws the sweater away and it's obviously no longer part of the same mesh of depth information it simply disappears. That's not tracking diddly-squat, it's not saying to itself "oh she's taken off her sweater," it's saying to itself, "ooops, that obviously isn't actually part of her body so let me not display it anymore, I was confused because they were so close together to start with."
It's the same issue that would cause the problem with sitting in a comfy sofa and the software not being able to tell the sofa isn't part of your body.
professor_t
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alr1ghtstart said:
That's just about the only silver lining for me -- this will be such an unqualified disaster that MS will abandon it for the next generation of consoles.
I still don't see the funny, though.
Fake edit: Come to think of it, how many of you have played the Wii with bona fide casuals? I have -- quite a bit -- and all of them, every single one, for every single second, have stood while playing. It's not a defense -- I'm so bummed out by this Kinect bullshit -- just an observation.
Zombie James said:
Actually, the guy in the chair, from a complexity POV is probably one of the easier cases for them to address.
But the lady on the couch? Slumped into a big couch swaddled with another person (or cushion or...)? When you start thinking about that, and realising there isn't infinite precision in the depth data, I think you start to appreciate the potential for problems. The way the woman there is, particularly if the couch was bigger, and if she was slumped a bit more she would just look like a huge blob of noise to the camera I think. And given that there are really infinite possible combinations of setup here, how do you train it to parse out the person? When standing up, people pretty much look the same (just different sizes, which is irrelevant)..but sitting down and with furniture etc. it becomes a whole other problem I think.
That said, I doubt this is an insurmountable problem. Per Edge's article MS is trying to fix it. It does, though, really need to be fixed for day one.
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