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IGN rumour: PS4 to have '2 GPUs' - one APU based + one discrete
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Yap ! So Sony should work extra hard.
OldJadedGamer
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The fact that MS sold more consoles than Sony did last year with basically being totally dead in Japan shows you just how important that region is. Also, to huge publishers like Activision and EA Japan doesn't really affect them because of the lack of sales for their games in that region. When these companies look at total units sold they really aren't looking at JPN sales thinking that it's a potential customer for them.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the 360 outsell the PS3 last year WW?
Quick question, would an APU help with OS processing a lot? I know it can't make an enormous difference visually so would it allow for a lot of extra, RAM/power hungry OS level features like cross game chat without having too much of an impact on gameplay? I know they're more for media features so if the main GPU got boosted a bit from these rumors (which if they're true and they're based on devkits will likely happen) it could allow for the OS to be much faster and well integrated into the system, something that is kind of lacking on the PS3 with trophy delays and slow loading in game. I could be completely off base so hopefully someone who knows more about this kind of configuration can clarify. If that's true, then maybe the APU could also be used for the Move/Kinect processing.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
StevieP, since you're in the know:
Are we looking at an exact re-run of 2006 or is the gap between the Sony/MS systems and the Wii U smaller?
Just curious because I find it fascinating how this is playing out.
Are we looking at an exact re-run of 2006 or is the gap between the Sony/MS systems and the Wii U smaller?
Just curious because I find it fascinating how this is playing out.
OldJadedGamer
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When you are a huge company like EA trying to sell the next Madden game.
I dont understand the problem to be honest. We saw some pretty awesome visuals this gen. The rsx achieved god of war 3 graphics...as shity and outdated as the rsx is...god of war 3 remains the best looking console game ever...if not the best looking game on the market.
Expect a significant upgrade of visuals and physics with these rumoured specs.
I aint complaining.
Expect a significant upgrade of visuals and physics with these rumoured specs.
I aint complaining.
Proelite
Member
You saw his tag right?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
LOL...I did.
It's all heresay at this point. You'd have to get a developer to break an NDA for more specifics, and that's not going to happen for a little while I'd gather.
Hilariously, however, the least known elephant in the room is the Wii U (in terms of leaks, which are all over the place) and where it falls into in regards to how much of a stop-gap in-between it is. It's got an OoO CPU with triple the cache of the 360's, a GPU that is *heavily* modified from its base chip (which was speculated to be the 4770 or 4830 in the first kits), and double-to-triple the memory of current generation. That's all we know. It's still going to fall behind, though.
As brain_stew has previously mentioned, Kotaku's information comes from known targets
(edit: yes I'm aware that targets can change as the consoles get to the final stages, in either direction)
(edit: their Wii U info came from the initial off-the-shelf version-parts of the kits, not the final targets - that could be one way that this makes sense in this case as it could be from their same source)
lol what? Since when does MS have better studios then Sony?
OldJadedGamer
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MS's best first party studio is the one making the actual OS for the system. Think about the OS of the 360 when it launched and think about the PS3 OS when it launched a full year later.
Online services and the OS experience will be huge factors next gen so Sony really needs to step up their game (no pun intended). They need to match features for MS's new system out of the gate... all for free or they risk pissing off a vast majority of their current core users that will upgrade sight unseen.
There is a Blu-ray consortium. There is not a Direct X consortium.
Comparative to what Orbis and Durango should be, they are something along the line of Goten and Trunks. Yes, that much weak.
Pimpbaa
Member
How is the Vita hard to work for? It's almost all standard mobile parts.
Anything with 9's in it is not going in a console, period.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Ok then, 2X customise 6670 this is it.
Hopefully, we will see in real deal this E3. I don't think we will see anything from MS E3.
I'm sure MS would gladly license the Windows OS for Sony to use in PSNext. Sony would never do it, but no one would be happier than MS
Glorified G
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If this is coming out in late 2013, how much of a spec jump we would expect a year from now? I assume they're working on very early dev kits. Seems like these parts are gonna be very dated by the time ps4 actually releases.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
so if they combine they'll be even more powerful?
See definition of markets that matter.
If those are the specs, with an optional hard drive they can pretty much launch at mass market price, 299$ for the top SKU.
By the end of 2013 this thing will be so outdated, it's roughly 5X the PS3 (being generous), 7 years later. Also it would mean 2GB main memory + 1GB VRAM.
I hope the IGN source is completely wrong. I don't want a 599$ system again but I expect to see a real leap from a previous console released so many years earlier.
By the end of 2013 this thing will be so outdated, it's roughly 5X the PS3 (being generous), 7 years later. Also it would mean 2GB main memory + 1GB VRAM.
I hope the IGN source is completely wrong. I don't want a 599$ system again but I expect to see a real leap from a previous console released so many years earlier.
OldJadedGamer
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I'm sure MS would gladly license the Windows OS for Sony to use in PSNext. Sony would never do it, but no one would be happier than MS
MS previously already stated that Sony is their biggest customer. Kaz Hirai is in charge of the division that must compete as well as the different division that works with MS for different aspects.
bgassassin
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IGN needs some new MS and Sony sauces.
As far as I know, the 7670 is literally just a rebranded 6670, the only difference is that it is OEM-only (as in, not sold directly to consumers at retail).
I'd be shocked if Durango has either a 6990 or two 6670s. I haven't really been following the rumours so I could be wrong, but I think it's much more realistic that it ends up with a GPU+APU combo than two dedicated GPUs. Although the 6670 should be dirt cheap these days so I guess it's not impossible.
Like I've always said...bless the chips. Sony engineers are something special.
I'm sure MS would gladly license the Windows OS for Sony to use in PSNext. Sony would never do it, but no one would be happier than MS
Thinking on it, you're probably right, assuming MS makes more money that way.
Honestly if Wii U will be as powerful as devs are claiming-
Why can't MS and Sony wait till 2014? Tahiti performance, double ram densities, and a "visual jump" worth waiting for...
The magical 2.5 teraflops number will be achieved, 4 GB of ram, 4 GB of system ram, and 3D stacking. Come on GAF, is no one with me?
Why can't MS and Sony wait till 2014? Tahiti performance, double ram densities, and a "visual jump" worth waiting for...
The magical 2.5 teraflops number will be achieved, 4 GB of ram, 4 GB of system ram, and 3D stacking. Come on GAF
, is no one with me?Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
EricDiesel
Member
WiiU Hype Train
PS4 Hype Train
Nah, I think it's more like
Next-Gen Console Hype Train:
I get the feeling most people are going to be disappointed with the specs of both consoles if they seriously expect some 2x Kepler GPU 8Gb RAM monstrosity. I'm setting my expectations far lower, and for the sake of the industry I hope my expectations are closer to what we get.
We don't need more studios shutting down. We need less drastic leaps in power and more importantly some serious industry restructuring. We're in big trouble if things just keep going down the standard path. Unless you want our generation's version of the Atari 5200 scenario. I don't.
Glorified G
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Some people really believe the ps3 was the only powerful console Sony's put out. I have no idea why.
All of them?
OldJadedGamer
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Peoples memory only goes back one gen.
H_Prestige
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PS1 was cutting edge, and so was the PS2. And the PSP.
SwimmingwithChickenz
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Logic would dictate that a console manufacturer would go for a strong GPU above all else, given how GPUs have advance in recent times. Entry level GPUs from 2010 simply do not make any sense whatsoever. This has to be some sort of low range devkit that will be improved as final hardware nears completion. Because as it stands, these type of cards will not produce a marketable difference from current gen consoles enough to warrant a purchase. If this is true, MS and Sony are making a monumental mistake.
PS1 was REALLY cutting edge. It was actually better than arcade at the time of release, which was shocker.
But anyway what's the point of having APU and separate video card? As far as I know there is very small performance increase for this route.
Just put SoC with decent, fast Ram on it.
But anyway what's the point of having APU and separate video card? As far as I know there is very small performance increase for this route.
Just put SoC with decent, fast Ram on it.
Nah, I think it's more like
Next-Gen Console Hype Train:
I get the feeling most people are going to be disappointed with the specs of both consoles if they seriously expect some 2x Kepler GPU 8Gb RAM monstrosity. I'm setting my expectations far lower, and for the sake of the industry I hope my expectations are closer to what we get.
We don't need more studios shutting down. We need less drastic leaps in power and more importantly some serious industry restructuring. We're in big trouble if things just keep going down the standard path. Unless you want our generation's version of the Atari 5200 scenario. I don't.
What the hell are you talking about?
James Sawyer Ford
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They've already done that, and then some, with the Vita. So, I'd expect that the PS4 will continue that trend. They've learned from their PS3 mistake.
Mid-range card from 2010 can do 1080p 60fps without a sweat, and with optimization, 16x AA can be applied too.
Seriously, you are vastly underestimating modern GPUs. They are way way ahead of current GPUs in consoles. Even the low level ones are way superior than RSX.
So far from the actual truth and anyone who has actually played with the system knows this.
specialguy
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Well like everybody else probably, I rushed to look up the specs on these parts...
At first when I looked up the 3850, I found an article that said it's graphics was comparable to a HD6450. So I looked that up and found it to have 160 stream processors, and wrote my comments on that.
However then I did better googling, and found the 3850 actually has 400 stream processors! Quite an increase in beef and much better. Again consider Xenos to have something like 240 stream processors (though Xenos doesn't have SP's mind you)
7670 is an OEM only part, the most shocking thing though was it IS a 6670 according to one website. Look here
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-releases-oem-radeon-hd-7670/14441.html
This is about 3X xenos power by Gflops. Again maybe give it some more advantage based on it being a lot more advanced.
That said, the fact 7670 IS a 6670 makes me wonder if IGN got their systems wrong when they claimed Xbox would have a 6670...
That or they're IGN and have no idea what they're talking about...at least Scott Lowe didn't write it LOL.
It does jive with a few things...the Pastebin guy said PS4 was like a crappy Emachines or something...well, a crappy emachines would probably come with a AMD 3850...lol.
Just weirdness.
Edit: So all told you're looking at 400 SP's on the 3850 and another 480 SP's on the GPU, or 880 SP's, which is not a bad number at all....assuming they can use them together like SLI. If any of this is true of course.
It sounds like something Sony would do LOL, kind of a convoluted setup with a lot of power on the CPU SP's...sound familiar?
At first when I looked up the 3850, I found an article that said it's graphics was comparable to a HD6450. So I looked that up and found it to have 160 stream processors, and wrote my comments on that.
However then I did better googling, and found the 3850 actually has 400 stream processors! Quite an increase in beef and much better. Again consider Xenos to have something like 240 stream processors (though Xenos doesn't have SP's mind you)
7670 is an OEM only part, the most shocking thing though was it IS a 6670 according to one website. Look here
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-releases-oem-radeon-hd-7670/14441.html
This is about 3X xenos power by Gflops. Again maybe give it some more advantage based on it being a lot more advanced.
That said, the fact 7670 IS a 6670 makes me wonder if IGN got their systems wrong when they claimed Xbox would have a 6670...
That or they're IGN and have no idea what they're talking about...at least Scott Lowe didn't write it LOL.
It does jive with a few things...the Pastebin guy said PS4 was like a crappy Emachines or something...well, a crappy emachines would probably come with a AMD 3850...lol.
Just weirdness.
Edit: So all told you're looking at 400 SP's on the 3850 and another 480 SP's on the GPU, or 880 SP's, which is not a bad number at all....assuming they can use them together like SLI. If any of this is true of course.
It sounds like something Sony would do LOL, kind of a convoluted setup with a lot of power on the CPU SP's...sound familiar?