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If Peggle: Extreme Fever isn't no. 1 I'm gonna leave a flaming bag of dogshit by the door to their offices.
 
TheSpaceBetween said:
Yeah, but it also invalidates their own reviewers opinion. That is what is embarrassing.
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You can't "invalidate" opinions. They're just opinions.
So the guy who reviewed it thought was a 10. Maybe it's in his personal top 5. But maybe 5 other staff thought it was utter shit.

And this is why reviews, or "top X" lists shouldn't be taken that seriously. They're just, like, people's opinions, man.
 
Raist said:
You can't "invalidate" opinions. They're just opinions.
So the guy who reviewed it thought was a 10. Maybe it's in his personal top 5. But maybe 5 other staff thought it was utter shit.

And this is why reviews, or "top X" lists shouldn't be taken that seriously. They're just, like, people's opinions, man.
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Incorrect. IGN is a brand. It is not supposed to represent a collection of people's divergent opinions. I have (misguided) friends who see an IGN review and associate it with a degree of quality. That isn't because they know the reviewer who wrote it, it's because they know the brand.

This is a simple misunderstanding, and it leads a lot of people to let these publications off the hook. These voices represent IGN. They are not hobby blogs. By publicizing a review you are endorsing that opinion under the umbrella of your brand.
If IGN shits on their own reviews down the road, not only does it invalidate the reviewer, it invalidates their brand. That's more important.
 
ohlawd said:
not only did Ni no Kuni (this garbage ass game) place in the list, it beat Xenoblade.
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i think this is less about ign literally liking it more in a side by side comparison and more a question of xenoblade releasing on a system which ign editors had stopped playing games on by its release, whereas ninokuni was on ps3 which was still popular.
 
I'll be interested to see how many halo titles are in the top 50, and which developer has the most titles in the top 100/50/25
 
TIGER-COOL said:
Incorrect. IGN is a brand. It is not supposed to represent a collection of people's divergent opinions. I have (misguided) friends who see an IGN review and associate it with a degree of quality. That isn't because they know the reviewer who wrote it, it's because they know the brand.

This is a simple misunderstanding, and it leads a lot of people to let these publications off the hook. These voices represent IGN. They are not hobby blogs. By publicizing a review you are endorsing that opinion under the umbrella of your brand.
If IGN shits on their own reviews down the road, not only does it invalidate the reviewer, it invalidates their brand. That's more important.
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You're part of the problem because you're talking of "brands" and "homogeneity" and so on. Reviews are by nature one man's opinion. Zelda might have not scored anywhere near a 10 if they had asked 20 people. You can't make everyone agree on opinions, which is what reviews or lists are. It's insane to expect so. I bet you there's shitload of divergent opinion within one journal / website. That's in the nature of things.

So the fact that Zelda is so "low" on that list is only a problem to people who don't accept what reviews are, and want to give them some absolute "worth" and trust factor. But they have none. IGN's review has no more value than your average gaming enthusiast's.
 
Wii Music better be in the top 10, but with the way IGN are placing thing I honestly have no hope for their taste.
 
Raist said:
You're part of the problem because you're talking of "brands" and "homogeneity" and so on. Reviews are by nature one man's opinion. Zelda might have not scored anywhere near a 10 if they had asked 20 people. You can't make everyone agree on opinions, which is what reviews or lists are. It's insane to expect so. I bet you there's shitload of divergent opinion within one journal / website. That's in the nature of things.

So the fact that Zelda is so "low" on that list is only a problem to people who don't accept what reviews are, and want to give them some absolute "worth" and trust factor. But they have none. IGN's review has no more value than your average gaming enthusiast's.
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When I said it is a brand, and not a collection of divergent opinions, I didn't mean to imply that there are no divergent opinions found on gaming websites and publications. That would be absurd. However, the people chosen to represent that brand are selected on the quality of their opinions. They are supposed to be the "experts" in their field. That's why people go to a website like IGN. Because it's supposed to be held to a higher standard than the enthusiast gaming population's opinion.

I feel like you're just throwing your hands up and saying "well, reviews suck". They shouldn't though. People are being paid to write them. They're influencing the decisions of countless enthusiasts who spent a lot of money on these products. It isn't just Bob McBob's review of Skyward Sword on the Bob McBob blog. It's IGN. Whether you like it or not, that's a seal of professionalism and quality.

If this were simply a matter of someone saying, "Oh, I think this game should be ranked 6th instead of 10th", then so be it. That's not even close to the case, though. We're talking about a professional, paid reviewer who stated that it was literally the best game made in a series that is perhaps the most critically acclaimed and illustrious in gaming. If three years after this release you're placing it in a list behind a Lego game, you seriously need to reevaluate your process. And this is by no means a one off with IGN.
 
Stumpokapow said:
I believe Persona 5 is the last significant previous-gen release to come out, so probably after that if someone wants to run one PROPERLY.
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Ah yeah. Forgot about that. Can´t help but think releasing so late will somewhat hurt the title, at least in the West. Especially without BC on the PS4.

My own top 10 (consoles only):

1. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
2. Mass Effect
3. Assassin's Creed 2
4. The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess
5. GRID
6. Resident Evil 5
7. Super Mario Galaxy
8. Rocksmith 2014
9. Red Dead Redemption
10 The Saboteur
 
Stumpokapow said:
Would love to see anyone here make a Top 100 list of games last gen, ranked or un-ranked.
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I don't think I've even played 100 games of last gen. I could do a top 10-20 easily. Well if you count DS/PSP things get a bit easier but still...
 
Ehh. I sincerely doubt they'll put A Crack in Time and Valkyria Chronicles ahead of games like Demon's Souls and God of War III. So I'm beginning to think they missed the list entirely. Hope I'm wrong, but.... :/

Nice to see Rayman represented though.
 
Nibel said:
Reach shits on Halo 3 from a great height

Halo-GAF doesn't know what's good
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Yes, random bloom when shooting shits on skill-based precision. Clearly.
 
TIGER-COOL said:
When I said it is a brand, and not a collection of divergent opinions, I didn't mean to imply that there are no divergent opinions found on gaming websites and publications. That would be absurd. However, the people chosen to represent that brand are selected on the quality of their opinions. They are supposed to be the "experts" in their field. That's why people go to a website like IGN. Because it's supposed to be held to a higher standard than the enthusiast gaming population's opinion.

I feel like you're just throwing your hands up and saying "well, reviews suck". They shouldn't though. People are being paid to write them. They're influencing the decisions of countless enthusiasts who spent a lot of money on these products. It isn't just Bob McBob's review of Skyward Sword on the Bob McBob blog. It's IGN. Whether you like it or not, that's a seal of professionalism and quality.

If this were simply a matter of someone saying, "Oh, I think this game should be ranked 6th instead of 10th", then so be it. That's not even close to the case, though. We're talking about a professional, paid reviewer who stated that it was literally the best game made in a series that is perhaps the most critically acclaimed and illustrious in gaming. If three years after this release you're placing it in a list behind a Lego game, you seriously need to reevaluate your process. And this is by no means a one off with IGN.
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What's a good vs a bad opinion, tell me?
It's a vicious circle. You see "invalidated opinions" and inconsistency because you're putting too much weight into a review. There's no inconsistency as soon as you realize that a review is one man's opinion, be it from IGN, Edge or a random blog.

What you'd qualify as a "good" opinion is one which would fit yours, I'm sure. But that's not how it works. Similarly, there are no "experts" when it comes to reviews. These are not factual statements which can be objectively proved wrong or right. So there's no inconsistency when the opinion of 20 does not 100% match the opinion of one. This just perfectly highlights the fact that a review should not be taken at face value. If you think there's a problem with Zelda being low on the top 100 while someone gave it a 10, then in a way you realize that reviews are not 100% objective truthfacts.

Reviews are at best informative, and that requires reading them and not stopping at an arbitrary score. Lists like this, which are an agregate of several people's opinions, are actually potentially more useful than just one man's review, because they're closer to being more objective. Besides, IGN would likely not give a Zelda game to review to someone who couldn't care less about A-RPG, or someone who just hates Zelda in general.

As for the bolded, it seems fairly unlogical for you to have a problem with this.
 
is there a reasonable justification for lack of handheld titles? I read IGN's teaser and it only says it has to have been released on Wii, 360 and PS3.

I could do a top 100 but it has to span over 5 platforms. I can't even list 40 games from console games alone without putting in filler.

Empty said:
i think this is less about ign literally liking it more in a side by side comparison and more a question of xenoblade releasing on a system which ign editors had stopped playing games on by its release, whereas ninokuni was on ps3 which was still popular.
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yeah I can see that happening sadly.
 
The best JRPG from that generation is going to be beaten by another JRPG.

Black Ops over Xenoblade breaks my heart.
Even considering that BLOPs is my Favorite COD
 
Dishonored at #67. Supposedly 66 games that are better than Dishonored. Sigh, I don't even know what to say.


Also, despite not liking it that much, Demon's Souls at #68. Shots will be (or have been) fired.



But let's just agree to disagree with IGN. Nothing we can do about it.
 
Heavy Rain better than Vanquish the fuck outta here. That taste is awful at best, I'm not even going to use an adjective for at worst.
 
TIGER-COOL said:
If this were simply a matter of someone saying, "Oh, I think this game should be ranked 6th instead of 10th", then so be it. That's not even close to the case, though. We're talking about a professional, paid reviewer who stated that it was literally the best game made in a series that is perhaps the most critically acclaimed and illustrious in gaming. If three years after this release you're placing it in a list behind a Lego game, you seriously need to reevaluate your process. And this is by no means a one off with IGN.
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In the Review standards of IGN you'll see that they agree with both you and the other poster. It's possible for them to stand behind the review as a measure of quality of the game at that time while also using a list like this to compile the varied opinions of the staff (both local and international).

Because it's a mixture of various IGN staff and due to the different qualifiers they used there are going to be games that either are higher or lower than other games with different scores. The point is to encourage discussion and show the varying opinions of their writers, if they wanted to just use IGN Brand Approved scores they could just link to the Metacritic page that lists their review scores from high to low and copy/paste into a list. Which would be boring.

Also, as much as I loved Skyward Sword and think it's a fantastic game, Marvel and LEGO have had arguably more influence and impact both in pop culture and in the games then Zelda has in some time.
 
MYeager said:
In the Review standards of IGN you'll see that they agree with both you and the other poster. It's possible for them to stand behind the review as a measure of quality of the game at that time while also using a list like this to compile the varied opinions of the staff (both local and international).

Because it's a mixture of various IGN staff and due to the different qualifiers they used there are going to be games that either are higher or lower than other games with different scores. The point is to encourage discussion and show the varying opinions of their writers, if they wanted to just use IGN Brand Approved scores they could just link to the Metacritic page that lists their review scores from high to low and copy/paste into a list. Which would be boring.

Also, as much as I loved Skyward Sword and think it's a fantastic game, Marvel and LEGO have had arguably more influence and impact both in pop culture and in the games then Zelda has in some time.
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That would be pointless as they're be a massive overlap in scores.
 
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