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[onesvenus]

This is going nowhere, you are just moving the conversation to another area, creating another avenue never mention from where it started, I have been very clear and concise on the facts and the purpose of this.

Read back, do some research on the subject and learn from it.

I'm sorry but technical terms have a very precise meaning and you are twisting it. Proxy meshes and tessellation in the context of computer graphics have a meaning. Even though you could fit what you are saying into their definition, I'd say no computer graphics or rendering engineer would use those terms the same way you do and would need clarification on why you use them here.

It's not a critique of the work you do on your videos, just a matter of being concise with the words you use.

 

[Sosokrates]

NXGamer at 19.50 you say uncharted 3, did you mean uncharted 4?

 

[funking giblet]

I have no beef with NxGamer here, I'm sorry If I derailed this thread. I just have particular interest in the inner workings of UE5 ( you can check my history )

 

[tommib]

NXGamer at 19.50 you say uncharted 3, did you mean uncharted 4?

Oh, now they got you NX!

 

[Sosokrates]

Oh, now they got you NX!

No, just a friendly question.

 

[NXGamer]

NXGamer at 19.50 you say uncharted 3, did you mean uncharted 4?

No 3, it was used to build the flood sequence and used the mesh, sim data for the fluid sim.



As you say, 4 also used this much more extravagantly with the Bike/Jeep chase.

 

[SlimySnake]

suprising ps5 perf advantage and defenitly bigger than 1fps suggested by df

Alex going out of his way to get into a slow ass SUV on the xsx was suspect from the beginning. Maybe heisenberg was right after all.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I need a Youtube link, I always watch at 1.5x speed and IGN doesn't do that for some reason.

 

[sircaw]

I need a Youtube link, I always watch at 1.5x speed and IGN doesn't do that for some reason.

They want you to suffer their pain, slowly

 

[MasterCornholio]

Alex going out of his way to get into a show ass SUV on the xsx was suspect from the beginning. Maybe heisenberg was right after all.

Haven't seen the video yet but how like for like is the comparison?

 

[Physiognomonics]

Haven't seen the video yet but how like for like is the comparison?

There is no like for like comparison.

 

[Loxus]

Haven't seen the video yet but how like for like is the comparison?

At 17:20 mark.

 

[Ezekiel_]

I hope they do something about the TSR shimmering. It would bug me in a real game seeing it all the time.

 

[intbal]

Whoever coded that IGN video player is... not good.

 

[ReBurn]

Where are the cars on ps5? Doesn't seem like exact conditions to me.

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

 

[Great Hair]

No YT version?

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

less polygons to render (on the left)

 

[tommib]

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

Where are the pedestrians on xbox? Doesn't seem like exact conditions to me.

 

[Darsxx82]

NXGamer explained that even with these differences in the video, it doesn't say much about the hardware as these are still tech demos. In fact, that the performance differs on the same console between every time you boot the demo tells a lot.

My thought or bet is that it's not that the performance changes every time I reboot, it has to do with the random nature of the demo. It can vary the performance in the same place things like the number of pedestrians, traffic jams of cars, and even the minimum variation of speed of the camera or when driving can mean a drop in fps.

And another thing I have found is that the performance varies greatly depending on the area where you are. For example, in the area near the sea with fewer agglomerated buildings, the performance is very very good and it does not matter the amount of traffic or speed of the flight or driving camera. Quite the opposite in the downtown areas and under the bridges.

 

[Loxus]

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

Yes, but the PS5 spends majority of the time throughout the video averaging 5fps above XBSX with up to a 10fps difference at times.

Like NX Gamer said, it's a demo and not to look at performance. But one have to wonder why it isn't the other way around.

 

[ReBurn]

Where are the pedestrians on xbox? Doesn't seem like exact conditions to me.

The thing about the free roam spaces is that at no place are they like for like comparisons. So turning this into a console war battleground is immeasurably stupid.

 

[Sosokrates]

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

While it does, I can confirm overall the PS5 does have a noticeable advantage.
But, Ive already said my thoughts on the matter, there not really much to discuss about apart from the fact that the PS5 version does perform better.

 

[SlimySnake]

Yes, but the PS5 spends majority of the time throughout the video averaging 5fps above XBSX with up to a 10fps difference at times.

Like NX Gamer said, it's a demo and not to look at performance. But one have to wonder why it isn't the other way around.

It's a demo that was optimized on the xsx and xss by a first party MS studio. The PS5 version got no such optimization. You have to wonder if Coalition didnt jump in to optimize the game for xbox series consoles, what the actual performance difference might have been.

I am guessing MS got wind of the demo performing poorly on the xsx and had Coalition go in and make some optimizations. Notice how they mention ray tracing optimizations. Something that was brought up in the locked thread and hinted at by NXgamer in this video.

So what exactly did the team at The Coalition do? A primary focus for them was on memory and performance optimizations to fully take advantage of both Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S. Because the experience features an incredibly large and dense world with a staggering amount of content, the first step was working on memory optimization. In that area, they worked with Epic to ensure the assets in the demo were set up to fully leverage virtual texture streaming and nanite wherever possible and tuned internal memory systems, especially on Xbox Series S, to ensure it all fit in the memory.

On the performance optimizations side, the teams made some threading improvements to improve utilization of the CPU cores. They also made some Xbox Raytracing optimizations, resulting in performance wins of about 0.5ms. Finally, they enabled Vertical Sync tuning to ensure a stable FPS throughout the experience.

How The Coalition Worked with Epic to Bring The Matrix Awakens to Life on Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire

Yesterday, in a surprise announcement at The Game Awards, Epic Games revealed that The Matrix Awakens: An Unreal Engine 5 Experience, a new playable Unreal Engine 5 technical demo, was available for everyone on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S. Created by members of the original “The Matrix”movie...

news.xbox.com

 

[intbal]

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

 

[Physiognomonics]

NXGamer could you tell us more about the difference of ray tracing between both versions?

 

[yewles1]

Yes, but the PS5 spends majority of the time throughout the video averaging 5fps above XBSX with up to a 10fps difference at times.

Like NX Gamer said, it's a demo and not to look at performance. But one have to wonder why it isn't the other way around.

 

[Caio]

PS5 has a noticeable performance advantage over XSX while flying and driving apparently.

I only know I deleted this thing from my Console(Matrix), before it crashes my brand new Jewel. As much as it looks impressive, I decided to get rid of it.

 

[adamsapple]

tommib

look at what you've done ..

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on topic. Love NXGamer 's content but that IGN player sucks. Hope this video goes up on youtube soon.

edit: Thank you Great Hair

 

[avin]

Now there's a twist. Clearly, my XSX is going to struggle to keep up with my XSS this generation.

avin

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Alex going out of his way to get into a slow ass SUV on the xsx was suspect from the beginning. Maybe heisenberg was right after all.

would like to see vgtech with his stats now (preferably separating walking, driving same car, and camera flying)

 

[Riky]

Now there's a twist. Clearly, my XSX is going to struggle to keep up with my XSS this generation.

avin

 

[onQ123]

why only now we see noticeable difference in performance PS5 with 5fps advantage at times and better reflections
DF didn't show this said PS5 have 1fps advantage irc.

I called this out weeks ago

Alex downplayed the PS5 advantage as 1fps better then when driving the car he went slower when driving on Xbox Series X not showing the slowdowns from driving fast & crashing lol

 

[onQ123]

Don't worry, it goes the other way too.

Xbox is missing a bumper & a Bridge #bridegate

 

[tommib]

tommib

look at what you've done ..

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on topic. Love NXGamer 's content but that IGN player sucks. Hope this video goes up on youtube soon.

edit: Thank you Great Hair

Hey, I've seen all sorts of good hearted threads being ruined by framerate comparison screenshots. Revenge was mine today.

 

[adamsapple]

Alex going out of his way to get into a slow ass SUV on the xsx was suspect from the beginning. Maybe heisenberg was right after all.

 

[onQ123]

Now there's a twist. Clearly, my XSX is going to struggle to keep up with my XSS this generation.

avin

If push come to shove Series S will have advantages with lower settings & resolution if Series X is using the same settings as PS5 but Series S has free range to use different settings.

 

[adamsapple]

I need a Youtube link, I always watch at 1.5x speed and IGN doesn't do that for some reason.

Get the YouTube Enhancer extension and watch YT videos at 2.5x, the way god intended it.

 

[TheGodfather07]

So PS5 really is just easier and smoother to work with. Pretty impressive performance for a weak 9 teraflop RDNA 1.5 console.

 

[Clear]

The only issue I have with this is the lack of support for animated meshes in Nanite. Basically it means that as soon as you try and do something with heavy vegetation, you're looking at a potentially very large performance hit if you want any motion in the scene.

Its going to be interesting to see if we are going to end up with the "look" of the gen being dominated by rocky and arid landcapes...

 

[Loxus]

It's a demo that was optimized on the xsx and xss by a first party MS studio. The PS5 version got no such optimization. You have to wonder if Coalition didnt jump in to optimize the game for xbox series consoles, what the actual performance difference might have been.

I am guessing MS got wind of the demo performing poorly on the xsx and had Coalition go in and make some optimizations. Notice how they mention ray tracing optimizations. Something that was brought up in the locked thread and hinted at by NXgamer in this video.

How The Coalition Worked with Epic to Bring The Matrix Awakens to Life on Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire

Yesterday, in a surprise announcement at The Game Awards, Epic Games revealed that The Matrix Awakens: An Unreal Engine 5 Experience, a new playable Unreal Engine 5 technical demo, was available for everyone on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S. Created by members of the original “The Matrix”movie...

news.xbox.com

This certainly explains the minor RT differences.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So PS5 really is just easier and smoother to work with. Pretty impressive performance for a weak 9 teraflop RDNA 1.5 console.

It's almost like PS5 has the same dev environment as the PS4 while Xbox switched from XDK to GDK.

 

[oldergamer]

The demo was running at 15 fps on both consoles before optimizations.

Also its already been determined there are visual differences depending on each run that also shows performance changes.

Trying to claim it runs better on one console is a moot point when you are comparing two different scenes with different amounts of traffic and pedestrians.

 

[Topher]

It's almost like PS5 has the same dev environment as the PS4 while Xbox switched from XDK to GDK.

Tools again?

 

[Riky]

The demo was running at 15 fps on both consoles before optimizations.

Also its already been determined there are visual differences depending on each run that also shows performance changes.

Trying to claim it runs better on one console is a moot point when you are comparing two different scenes with different amounts of traffic and pedestrians.

Especially when the best performing version is Series S, looks like The Coalition did a great job.

 

[Tripolygon]

It's almost like PS5 has the same dev environment as the PS4 while Xbox switched from XDK to GDK.

PS5 and PS4 do not use the same dev environment, they are just similar. GDK is more like combining Windows, Xbox into a common dev environment. It is largely the same programming model devs have been using for years with some new APIs like IO and storage APIs.

I'd rather believe in facts than magical Cerny hardware

The fact is Sony has been on point with their SDK support since the PS4 generation started. Xbox One had issues with their SDK as well which was fixed over time. It is not magic.

 

[Negotiator101]

What's this supposed to prove?

 

[DeepEnigma]

What's this supposed to prove?

That each camp gets upset when these out of context shots are posted, but revel in them when it's their team?

Spoiler

Also, it was posted as a joke about those who post them. Keep reading futher.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

PS5 and PS4 do not use the same dev environment, they are just similar. GDK is more like combining Windows, Xbox into a common dev environment. It is largely the same programming model devs have been using for years with some new APIs like IO and storage APIs.

I know. And devs have stated that they had issues adopting to the new GDK. Stuff takes time.

The fact is Sony has been on point with their SDK support since the PS4 generation started. Xbox One had issues with their SDK as well which was fixed over time. It is not magic.

Exactly. But some people think it's hardware magic since they don't buy the tools argument at all, or is there any other explanation? Not sure why my post was nuked, I wasn't trying to be antagonistic.

 

[tommib]

What's this supposed to prove?

Easy warrior. Take a deep breath.

 

[Loxus]

Tools again?

Can't be tools, not this time.

 

[Negotiator101]

Easy warrior. Take a deep breath.

Are you mental?