MidnightCowboy
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I will say though that it had some satisfying shooting mechanics, the bow was on point and the shotgun had a nice kick. I just wish there were more unique enemy types.
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I'm having a hard time playing Tomb Raider (2013)
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OP doesn't like gore? Must be 12.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I'm not saying it was well done by any means. I just think that's what they were going for. I think the environments were pretty enough though, and the gameplay was fairly fun.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Claiming Tomb Raider has no sense of exploration only to turn around and praise Uncharted. lolwut.
TR has actual exploration, especially as Lara gains more abilities allowing her to go back to previously inaccessible areas.
nah, not trying to praise Uncharted in that way, specifically talked about the character aspect cause that's what jumps to mind. Tomb Raider had the worst fucking cast ever and the writing is so serious that it feels like the writers thought they were doing some oscar-worthy stuff, Uncharted has some likeable characters and it never takes itself too seriously, giving it a much more fun and indy-like vibe
Wasn't too bothered by the qte or death stuff.
It's quite the game and one of the best releases last year. If I remember correctly the qte's aren't as frequent in the latter half of the game.
However, the game is very violent and it continues to be that way due to the nature of the island and it's inhabitants. If you're not feeling it I'd go back to something brighter, like a game you suggested.
It's quite the game and one of the best releases last year. If I remember correctly the qte's aren't as frequent in the latter half of the game.
However, the game is very violent and it continues to be that way due to the nature of the island and it's inhabitants. If you're not feeling it I'd go back to something brighter, like a game you suggested.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
We should have a thread of random GAF quotes regarding games, and have everyone try and guess which game the quote pertains to. This one would be a toughie!
lol, that's why I said its a game that fits with a bunch of stuff people complain about regarding games today
MidnightCowboy
Member
Something that bugged me about Tomb Raider was the dichotomy of the game presenting itself like a serious, real world scenario (despite the supernatural elements) while also having a massive amount of "gamey" elements. Why is there white rope everywhere? Why can Lara carry so much shit? Why do the rocks change color for climbable sections? Why does Lara's first kill phase her, but none of the other ones do? Why does she have to eat in the beginning but then never again?
I know it seems like nitpicking, but it bugged me. It wanted so much to not be a game.
I know it seems like nitpicking, but it bugged me. It wanted so much to not be a game.
TReboot's exploration was all optional, in previous entries you had to actually explore to progress rather than proceed in a linear fashion with optional areas off set from the main path to collect tons of useless diaries and desecrate old graves.
It has no context, when you explored in the classics you explored for a reason, here it just seems like an afterthought.
I agree about the melee. I'm so used to being able to do that in a game. I get that design wise it might be weird to have her fist fight the guys but she could still have been able to use the climbing thing more effectively.
I don't understand your last sentence though.
Manus
Member
I can't even make the comparison connection with this one.
I know right. How dare I compare a great TPS action game to the likes of TR. So many TPS were released this past generation and the one we get with the biggest budget is the most bland and boring one.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Sure, the writing is pretty bad in Tomb Raider but gameplay wise, I vastly prefer it over Uncharted (even if it took inspiration from Uncharted which ironically took inspiration from classic Tomb Raider)
It fell in to the Uncharted trap. Uncharted for all it's gamelessness is a masterclass in retaining that believability. Because of it's more simplistic controls and linear set up, Naughty Dog can create the illusion of choice while keeping you in that fantasy, especially with copious amounts and special weapons tied to more "plot.". Tomb Raider has you relying on resources a lot more forcing you to do gamey things, using your HUD, upgrading, all the while shoving a coming-of-sociopath tale down your throat.
Yep, they also reminded me a lot of Dead Space.The death scenes felt like a homage to Resident Evil 4, which i liked
I think they partly wanted the game to have a horror vibe, so that's probably why they did it.
They may be both TPS but in what way do they play alike? :/ BD is all out shooter for crying out loud!
Uncharted is one the weakest games (mechanically) I see people say is amazing. At least Tomb Raider got it's shooting mechanics down. At least Lara isn't a moron like Drake.
Yes, Tomb Raider 2013 feels tighter and more responsive to me.
Why wouldn't it be as good? It's a sequel, why would it get worse? I don't see Tomb Raider fans crying out for a patch to fix the aiming.
Did what well?
Prince of Persia Sands of Time did the whole platforming thing better.
Gears of War did cover based shooting better.
Resident Evil 4 did everything better.
All Uncharted did was borrow from countless other games and give us a "loose" less refined version of it.
Tomb Raider 2013 at the very least gave us none "sticky" based cover, that alone is more than Uncharted has ever contributed.
Isn't Nathan Drake all about stumbling everywhere and then delivering the usual "CRAP", "Oh Crap" & "Crap, crap crap" lines?
The final boss in Uncharted 2 chases you around in circles.
Wasn't Uncharted supposed to be "dude raider"? By copying Uncharted, aren't they technically copying... themselves?
Agreed although Tomb Raider Anniversary was great so we know Crystal Dynamics is capable. Besides, this is a reboot and Lara doesn't even like tombs yet. Now that the origin story is out of the way, I pretty much guarantee you that Tomb Raider 2 will have a big focus on .... RAIDING TOMBS.
Given your tone, I assumed that Tomb Raider 2013 was responsible for a death in your family or something.
Kocolino67
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Hehe, yes. Lara and Nathan are two perfect PSD candidates.
//very late edit: PTSD - sigh
This is what I wrote in a LTTP Tomb Raider 2013 thread. It's my opinion, and I haven't played pre-fixing U3 (aiming is still worse in U3 than 2, but whatever).
you are going down river full of deadly traps.. How is it out of place?
She is in a deadly island, fucking up will result in deadly deaths.. I realized I just said DEADLY DEATHS. LOL
it was an ok game. Some nice ideas and a nice amount of exploration. Interesting setting and story too. I liked the bow
The overly violent QTE stuff were cringe worthy at first and funny afterwards..not in a good way.
She goes from I can't believe I killed a man to mass murderer extraordinaire in a tiny amount of time...dumb
Supporting cast was a bore outside of that cook. He was a bit interesting but that's about it.
Lara Croft herself was an ok character in the game..she wasn't as likable as I thought she would be.
All in all an Ok game. I'm sure the sequel will be better.
The overly violent QTE stuff were cringe worthy at first and funny afterwards..not in a good way.
She goes from I can't believe I killed a man to mass murderer extraordinaire in a tiny amount of time...dumb
Supporting cast was a bore outside of that cook. He was a bit interesting but that's about it.
Lara Croft herself was an ok character in the game..she wasn't as likable as I thought she would be.
All in all an Ok game. I'm sure the sequel will be better.
Seriously? The hyperbole of hate is ridiculous. At very worst its just "average"
Tomb Raider is the OG of objectification in games. It's no secret about what her original character designs purpose was for. This series was seen by some as a way to "re-appropriate" her as a female role model, especially when a female writer was brought on for the script. What we got, is lame action origin story about a weak willed woman, who would be lost completely without her old male mentor. The entire game is her going through a series of test to become a man.
What I meant by the melee, is that since the ability to do so is from the start of the MP and is in single player, I figure if it is in Sp, it would be tied to some contrived plot point about where once again she has had enough and can now be even more brutal. Or maybe something more trivial, where it's just from scavenging and upgrading and camp sites. Either way it would suggest she has to work towards the ideal "tomb raider" ie her mentor.
At least in the original she was doing the shit for her own pleasure, like a cat burglar to the extreme. But now they're tying her name and legacy to some old guy who essential "creates" her.
Uncharted is completely linear, while Tomb Raider is at least partly open. Maybe you just a more linear level focus?
Kind of my point. TR played right into that demo and attempted absolutely nothing original or nothing that hadn't already been done--and done better--by a number of other studios.
Be careful as this is a pretty slippery slope of an argument. If you want to argue about realistic outcomes in the game I can list a lot of things that made no sense whatsoever. In which case such an argument would most likely end at the conclusion of 'well it's just a video game'
It was a design choice...they didn't have to make those deaths so violent. The intentions of the devs were clear
Uncharted Golden Abyss had worse death scenes when you fail qte late in game. Really enjoyed TR honestly. Got the same wow factor from deaths as Indiana Jones did for me. Guys face melting off getting eaten by gators ect. Not a big deal imo.
Would people like a setting on games where you never see death scenes or maybe chatacter never dies?
Would people like a setting on games where you never see death scenes or maybe chatacter never dies?
speculawyer
Member
Just wait until you get to the River. That one is disturbing.
Edit: Already been discussed to death. Lara's death.
Edit: Already been discussed to death. Lara's death.
I think it fit the intention they were going for, especially with the setting and context presented in the story. Whether one likes it or not is a different story but atleast it's generally consistent.
If you are going to nitpick on the gamey elements go ahead but the argument that it's a game actually works because they have to make the gameplay good and fun for the player, that's something that I think people should have been accostumed to by now, It's the kind of suspense of disbelief that comes with the medium.
I will argue that her deaths are a crucial element of the setting and the other oversights are irrelevant and/or inconsequential in comparison.(except the one where she becomes a mass murderer after her first kill)
Confidence Man
Member
It's averageness is what makes it terrible. It doesn't even try, it's only purpose for existing is to tick boxes and serve the mass market the gruel that sustains it.
I've had it with those mothereffin opinions on this motherf'in board!
Hobbestetrician
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I had to force myself to finish Uncharted 2, just did not enjoy it on any level really. However, I very much enjoyed Tomb Raider. I can't really explain why. Lara felt more capable than Drake, she had more in her arsenal than Drake and, while linear, gave you some bigger areas to look around in.
I will never play another Uncharted game but will be on board for another Tomb Raider.
I will never play another Uncharted game but will be on board for another Tomb Raider.
I wish uncharted controlled like tomb raider. I want a game with tomb raider controls and uncharted production values.
Now this is just silly. A dev can make a game fun while being consistent throughout all elements of a game. This theme of violent surroundings isn't consistent in game elements nor in the story. If you want to argue that it's realistic expectations that a character in such a situation, drifting down a waterfall in an island, gets impaled through her neck is a possibility, then you need to apply the same view point for characters, story, environments, weapons etc. if not that's not being consistent, that's just being consistent in QTE failure death animations. So tell me, you who pick one element of the game vs me who is arguing for the overall package, who is nitpicking again?
They try hard to go for character development of Lara and fails miserably too. This is a game that tries to create a bleak, violent world filled with dspair but it just doesn't do a good job at it. At no point in the game did I feel that Lara had the odds against her.
But wait, how are they inconsistent with the violent surroundings? Your claims are too vague, go into actual examples.
"If you want to argue that it's realistic expectations that a character in such a situation, drifting down a waterfall in an island, gets impaled through her neck is a possibility" - This is exactly what Im arguing.
The game does open up more as you go, and the beginning is packed with constant scripted sequences compared to the rest of the game. Give it a couple more hours and that should give you a perfect idea of what the rest of the game is like, and whether you'd want to shelve it or not. Overall, pretty good action game, though extremely lacking on tombs/puzzles.
You can't think of locations that didn't pose any major hurdles or threats to her life in the game? Outside of the QTE sections all areas were pretty safe to traverse in. The beach, the mountains, the camps, the caverns etc. Her life however was in danger the moment she fell into the ocean water (not all of it, just their way of making you not wonder too far off) or waterfall etc. It's a violent and dangerous island that was safe to traverse in.
edit: saw your edit. And I'm telling you, you need to apply that to the whole game then and not just QTE deaths which was a small part of the game. Hence why it's you who is nitpicking.
The Antitype
Banned
I had no problems with it. I find it a little odd that most gamers seem utterly fine with all manner of horrific, violent death for male characters - up to and including being chainsawed in half - but you replace the man with a woman and suddenly 'oh no, that's too far'.
Genuinely fantastic game, and I thought the brutality of it was one of it's many, many strengths.
Genuinely fantastic game, and I thought the brutality of it was one of it's many, many strengths.
GameAddict411
Member
try GOW3 & ascension, it will give you a different perspective to what violence means lol.
Im not feeling your assessment at all.. All those places felt deadly to me, I had a constant sense of danger while navigating these environments.
And your argument is also silly in a way, can't there be some safer zones inside an overall dangerous setting?