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im so tempted to switch permanently to consoles

A lot of people seem to be missing the affordability part of his concerns.

Console is the cheapest entry point to next gen. If cost is an important factor in a world of inflated gpu pricing, go console. Ps5 and Series X are good places to be.
 
I switched PC --> Console and so far, I'm enjoying it.

Gamed on PC from 2009-2016 and then took a break. Last fall, I got the 'itch' again and started researching a new build. After a week of reading and playing around with PC Part Picker, I said screw it and ordered a Series X. I realized I had no more time in life for mods, tweaking, nor Nvidia/AMD bullshit. Icing on the cake? No more Windows (except for the company laptop).

Gamepass + quick resume = lazy-ass, casual gaming bliss
 
MikeM said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the affordability part of his concerns.

Console is the cheapest entry point to next gen. If cost is an important factor in a world of inflated gpu pricing, go console. Ps5 and Series X are good places to be.
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Assuming you already had a gaming PC, you didnt need a new MB or CPU for the PS5/XSX, they have ~3600X level CPUs.
If you had/have anything near that level or above no need to upgrade.
The only thing you need to buy is a new GPU to keep up.

Which cost ~300 dollars....if you want to leave the consoles in the dust spend ~500.......if you want to go beyond spend ~800......


Even if you were starting fresh.
The cost of a gaming PC is like 800 dollars and itll play everything that comes out and do more.
And when the PS6 comes out, just upgrade your GPU for less money than the PS6 and continue gaming.
Any CPU and I mean any CPU since the launch of the next gen consoles even the lowly 12100 will run pretty much anything 9 times out of 10.
On socket upgrade to a 126 or 136K and you are riding out the entire generation likely most of next generation too.
AMD guys have it even sweeter, the 5800X3D is easily outlasting this generation, you just need to keep upgrading your GPU in your proce point to keep up with graphical needs......CPU workloads on average dont go up that much with gaming, especially as you aim for higher resolutions.
 
Considering all the cool mods I am playing The Witcher 3NG. Don't think I will.

Xbox Series X is basically my GTA Online machine at this point.

Also, you don't have to upgrade all the time.
 
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I can't believe what I'm reading.

Of all the console generations, this current one is absolutely not the one to ditch PC for. Christ. Everything on the consoles is coming to PC.
 
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I'm late and kinda sick from a cold so I'll just leave this here for the next thread, should be fun.

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Search your soul, you know the PC Gaming Wiki one is true, specially the further back the relesae date. Same with spending the first minutes of gameplay checking graphics settings and using FPS counter to get good performance, i think thats what most console people want to avoid. Personally the fact that i CAN troubleshoot and measure FPS with my PC is what makes me want to do it, my OCD impedes me from avoiding doing it =P

So i get both arguments, its cool the PC allows you to do all that stuff but the fact that you can kinda forces you to do it, at least for me. I get you rofif rofif
 
JakeWolf said:
Here's one simple test to see if you might prefer PC gaming or console gaming:

Question : Do you like the idea of turning on aim assist when playing an FPS?

Yes) If the answer is YES then it means you don't mind having the game taking some control away from you and nudge your point of aim from time to time. You also don't care much about headshots, as long as you're dealing damage that's good enough to you. You only want a good time afterall, who cares if the game helps you aim a little?

No) If the answer is NO then it means you prefer having freedom of control during gameplay and you don't mind putting in slightly more effort to aim. You also value the idea that you're able to hit a target without the game's help, you feel like a badass when you clear an entire room of badguys with 7 consecutive headshots.


Your answer pretty much sums up your gaming mind set, and that alone should affect your prefered platform.
I was the latter for a long time even though I only game on PS4 and eventually I got so frustrated by low FPS and terrible joystick deadzones (I fucking hate aim assist btw) that I ended up switching to PC entirely.
Turns out I'm meant to be a PC gamer.
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As someone who uses his pc for wow atm and have played fps with a controller on my xbox the last couple of months:

FPS games with a controller sucks. If you've been used to have a great aim and the mindset on pc, then the unprecise aiming, aim assist, and having to strafe instead of aiming, making stiff aiming, just sucks.

That's the main problem I have with consoles and the reason I can never go full console.
 
Your GPU is getting a bit old, and check if your mobo has a bios update for the 5000 series. If so, just get a 5800x or preferably a 5800x3d. Yea, you're going to spend some money, but figure a used 3080 and a used 5800x or 3d with a bios update and you're probably at about 800 and good for 4-6 years. 3000 and 5000 series share the same socket, so you will probably be fine if you bought a decent mobo. You don't need to upgrade every 3 years, you can typically follow the console cycle. I run a 1440p 240hz monitor, but like being able to drop it to 4k 120hz when I want with super sampling and then run dlss. It seems your biggest complaint is mobo and CPU, you should still be fine with that, just upgrade your GPU, but check for a bios update, if you have one for the 5000 series you can just do that upgrade later this year.
 
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cireza said:
Oh, so you do have to resort to aim assist in this case ;)
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I don't use aim assist on controllers, even in multiplayer games. Once you tune the deadzone down it's really not that hard to get good at it.
I've been playing COD on console without aim assist for years and my K/D is still in the green even with SBMM, I would even say that turn off aim assist gives advantages when it comes to muscle memory, meaning you're more likely to master your camera speed and momentum aka joystick accuracy & speed. BUT this is only for games with adequate deadzone settings like Modern Warfare & Battlefield 1 & V etc.

BTW I didn't play Destiny at all is because you cannot turn off aim assist (at least on PS4) and that really turned me off. Aim assist kills the fun of the aiming for me.
 
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rofif said:
Was it? It drops a lot in quality mode... but I couldn't care honestly. It was mostly fine. At least had less input lag than some 30fps games which use system level vsync like demons souls.

Again - Console for me is about just games. Simplicity and not being exposed to too many settings, forums, fixes and so on. On top of that, I find the pc culture very toxic recently.
People are very proud about their computers, which cost a lot of money.
I feel that I can appreciate some part of consoles because I have around 25 years of pc experience now. Starting with S3, then first 3dfx (which I just bought again!!!!!!) and so on.
After years and years, I kinda like simple consoles, even though there is nothing difficult or hard to understand on pc. It's not about lack of knowledge at all. It's about "ignorance is bliss"
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Dude i usually play with locked framerates on pc so yeah, having a non-stable 40 framerate in such a fast and acrobatic game with super fast camera movements was a disgrace.

Quality looked "the best" but framerate was shitty locked, rtx was the best of the bunch but it was kinda blurred and still not locked, and perf was straight up vaseline and still not locked.

So yeah, it was an error to buy the game on console, i know many console people can't even feel returnal losing 20-30 frames in every heated battle but many people feel these huge hiccups.

It was a disgrace both for visual clarity and framerate for a game that looks like a mid ps4 title except for the amount of particles in the final battle, not sure what is there to defend, and i was basically the only dude who kinda defended the game since they released the demo so clearly not an hater.

Was it unplayable? Hell no, but hardly a perfect experience.
 
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Lots of great reasons said already. Your concerns stem from hype cycles that push FOMO. Why do you need to upgrade every 2-3 years? You can achieve the same experience console players have by limiting yourself to only after each console cycle starts. That's like 5-7 years. Buy the tier of hardware that's a step or two above consoles, so you'll always be ahead of what console players get (which is what devs target anyway), but wait until prices drop, so you'll never pay too much. All your problems are solved, and you get to keep all the flexibilities in options and access to PC exclusives (which outnumber console exclusives by thousands). Why is that so hard?
 
SNG32 said:
I mean if simplicity will bring you peace of mind then by all means.

But you couldn't pay me to make that choice to abandoned PC. I don't even have a serious gaming rig and have a gaming laptop I can plug it into the tv, take it with me if I'm going on vacation, play emulators from Atari all the way up to Switch, mods, cheaper games, any gamepad I want, plus Microsoft and Sony release games on it. Yes the ports might be trash but games do get updates to run better.
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Theres like 20 Playstation games in total so far on the PC platform, out of its total library of 9-10.000 lol. PC is hardly a platform that will be considered an alternative to the Playstation just because it has a few exclusives which by the way release 2-3...even 4 years later on the PC.
 
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AeonGaidenRaiden said:
Theres like 20 Playstation games in total so far on the PC platform, out of its total library of 9-10.000 lol. PC is hardly a platform that will be considered an alternative to the Playstation just because it has a few exclusives which by the way release 2-3...even 4 years later on the PC.
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10000? Are you adding up all PS consoles/handhelds from 1994, without considering the multiplats that had native PC versions since then (including some of its "iconic" games like FFVII or MGS, never mind the vast majority up to PS3 can be emulated perfectly or improved) and more so now? How is it not an alternative to PS5 for many that don't want one because they have all the games they need there and then some, even with only some of the games you call exclusives when they aren't, lol. Last I checked PC gaming is pretty big and comparable to all consoles put together, not just PS4/5.
 
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Alexios said:
10000? Are you adding up all PS consoles/handhelds from 1994, without considering the multiplats that had native PC versions since then (including some of its "iconic" games like FFVII or MGS, never mind the vast majority up to PS3 can be emulated perfectly or improved) and more so now? How is it not an alternative to PS5 for many that don't want one because they have all the games they need there and then some, even with only some of the games you call exclusives when they aren't, lol. Last I checked PC gaming is pretty big and comparable to all consoles put together, not just PS4/5.
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Nobody is comparing platforms, Im comparing the stupid statement that somehow because there is 20 PS titles on the PC now, that the PC is still the way to go. Only a PC guy would say of course...with a lower spec personal PC so to him gaming is about dropping shadow quality, dropping the resolution, turn off AA...that person is talking about gaming and why its still better to have a PC.
 
If you don't enjoy what PC is all about (having your very own, maintaining it, modifying it, having so much more than just gaming, customizability, etc.) and you feel like it's just costing you time, then of course you should switch.
And of course having access to way, WAY more games than what is on consoles.

PC is a hobby in and off itself, which naturally costs time, and nobody should do a hobby unless they enjoy it (and can afford to).
 
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ThatOneGrunt said:
I can't believe what I'm reading.

Of all the console generations, this current one is absolutely not the one to ditch PC for. Christ. Everything on the consoles is coming to PC.
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Exactly. Back in 2003 I even sold my PC in order to get PS2 LOL :p because I wanted to play so many PS2 exclusives and I was extremely happy with my PS2 purchase (even to this day I havent played every PS2 exclusive, because there were so many). Now there are only like 3 games on PS5 that I really want to play and everything else is either on PS4 or PC. IMO buying a PS5 console makes sense if you don't have a PC, because then you don't have to spend nearly as much money in the first place and on top of that you can buy and sell games, so gaming on consoles is definitely more affordable. OP however has already a decent PC that can run PS5 ports with comparable results except for maybe RT games, so he will not win much, to be honest. I have even worse PC and I can still run PS5 ports with comparable results.
 
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Not being funny but you have a golden GPU. And something that's nigh on par with consoles in terms of power, if not slightly under. As in the 1080Ti is around the performance of a 2070 Super or slightly under, which is where the PS5's GPU lies. Its just missing some feature sets and of course RT performance - but you wouldn't turn them on anyway with that class of GPU. And you have things like XeSS and FSR to make up for performance. Your PC is fine, it doesn't need upgrading tbh. You could ride out this generation with that set up easy.

Skip the fomo and enjoy what you have. Consider consoles for exclusives. If OP wants to upgrade or get better performance for basically nothing.. sell that 3900X and get a 5700X. And that'll give you a nice boost in gaming performance for less than $50.
 
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samoilaaa said:
Right now i have a pc ( 3900x , 1080 ti , 32 gb ram ) , a ps4 pro and a xbox one x

I like gaming on the pc , its hooked to my tv so its not like i have to sit on my chair all the time , it just that i find it a little annoying that i constantly have to worry about upgrade , i like the easy use of consoles , just put the disk in and play , and you know 100% that the game will be optimized

with the pc now i have to change the gpu because its starting to show its age in 1440p , after 2 or 3 years i have to change cpu and mother board , and it keeps going , considering that i dont care about high fps the only disadvantage that i see is the graphics because i like high graphics and in 2 or 3 years i expect the consoles to struggle to reach medium settings

should i just pull the plug and game only on consoles ? i have reached a point in my life ( 33 years old ) where i just cant afford to spend all the money on gaming so i cant continue with all platforms
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The 1080TI is 6-7 years old though. My last computer started with an i7-6700 and my old GTX680 in 2015. I added a GTX1080 at launch and only now started to feel the age of the system. The average console generation is around 5 years and backwards compatibility wasn't a thing until recently. Upgrading isn't as important as enthusiasts make it out to be. You can enjoy PC gaming without buying i9 4090TI level stuff.
 
yeah,gaming on PC is not that good of an economic choice sadly

still , is not like the console market is that convenient either...we are in a bit of a rough period
 
Do it.. I' have a nice pc and nice gpu but I tend to lean towards consoles more.
Pc can be a total shit show at times of bugs , crashes, and windows update nonsense.
 
AeonGaidenRaiden said:
Theres like 20 Playstation games in total so far on the PC platform, out of its total library of 9-10.000 lol. PC is hardly a platform that will be considered an alternative to the Playstation just because it has a few exclusives which by the way release 2-3...even 4 years later on the PC.
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That won't always be the case eventually the release window will get smaller. But I get it you're a PlayStation guy. They being said you can still play way more games on PC then you could on a PS5.
 
22 minutes of issues and exceptions. Many of which are the case with most releases recently.


If You are bothered by things described here, get a pc. If you are fine with waiting or DF vids or fixing stuff yourself - you are good with pc
 
I went from console to PC for a few years then back to consoles. Consoles are just more convenient and less hassle for me personally. I'm not saying I'll never build a gaming PC again, but my ps5 isn't going anywhere.
 
This reads like an argument from 1999.

You can get a PC stronger than both XSX and PS5 for a similar price and keep it for 5 years without upgrading just like the other two, and have a better result.

Your are complaining about the OPTION of frequently upgrading like you have to do it.
 
Henry Panic said:
This reads like an argument from 1999.

You can get a PC stronger than both XSX and PS5 for a similar price and keep it for 5 years without upgrading just like the other two, and have a better result.

Your are complaining about the OPTION of frequently upgrading like you have to do it.
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Who's gonna tell him it's not 2019 anymore?
 
Henry Panic said:
This reads like an argument from 1999.

You can get a PC stronger than both XSX and PS5 for a similar price and keep it for 5 years without upgrading just like the other two, and have a better result.

Your are complaining about the OPTION of frequently upgrading like you have to do it.
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Can we get a breakdown of a similarly priced PC for $500 or even $400 if you count the PS5 digital?

One that can play Hogwarts legacy at 60 fps at 1440p on High/Ultra without RT like the consoles please and thank you.
 
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If you do and pretend to keep visiting Neogaf, don't go Xbox. There's a legion of gaffers scouring the web hourly to find any negative news on the MS console to post it here. So many negative threads everyday end up killing any enjoyment.
 
zomboden said:
Can we get a breakdown of a similarly priced PC for $500 or even $400 if you count the PS5 digital?

One that can play Hogwarts legacy at 60 fps at 1440p on High/Ultra without RT like the consoles please and thank you.
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ekhm... with peripherals since ps5 and xsx both include controllers akin to good mouse and keyboard set.
 
rofif said:
ps5 is 400 and uses 200watt :p It's apples to oranges.
yeah I barey use that 3080 but my pc is the ultimate dark souls trilogy 4k machine :p
I buy pc games. But new new releases I stick to ps5 recently. I think RE village was the last AAA pc release I've bought on pc at release.
But I still, only recently in last month or two, played crysis trilogy, metro rtx, far chbanging tides, saints row 3 remastered, stanley parable ultra deluxe, vampire survivors, venineth and few other. I use pc almost for everything aside from new AAA recently. but I still treat ps5 as my main platform now
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This may interest you in that case....

https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls3/mods/1579
 
You can do both. You don't have to be on top of the PC world. I'm fine with my 3060.

Console has extremely good value and packs a punch performance wise.

Not to mention I work all day on a PC. I don't care to game all that much on them and I really don't care for mods which is a big selling point.

Ultimately make a list of pros/cons of each and make a decision. Cant go wrong either way really.
 
Weren't places like GameStop offering good trade-ins for the ps4 pro and x1x to upgrade to the pS5 and XSX? You should take advantage of that and play your existing libraries better, plus you can game pass without dealing with the Xbox PC App.
 
Corporal.Hicks said:
Exactly. Back in 2003 I even sold my PC in order to get PS2 LOL :p because I wanted to play so many PS2 exclusives and I was extremely happy with my PS2 purchase. Now there are only like 3 games on PS5 that I really want to play and everything else is either on PS4 or coming to PC. I feel like buying PS5 make sense if you want to buy and sell games, but otherwise gaming on PC makes more sense. OP is talking about upgrading, but my ancient PC from 2012 CPU 3770K (and GTX1080 10.5TF from 2016) still can run PS5 ports with comparable results to PC, the only exception are RT games. OP has much better CPU that will easily last this enitre generation, and if he want to play all console ports with much higher settings (because the 1080ti already can match the results of the PS5 with the appropriate settings) he can upgrade only his GPU, because pascal GPUs are already old.
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Just a few weeks ago I was playing Persona 3 fes on my PC. With a Dualsense controller.

PC technology has come a long way.
 
I was practically forced to go back into console gaming only. Having two kids in a very exprensive country makes having a decent rig almost impossible.
 
PC gaming doesn't really appeal to my anymore. A $500 Xbox and $400 PS5 is good enough for me, covers the gamut of games I play. I have other hobbies that I spend my money on, ones that are far more expensive than PC gaming.
 
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