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[Kamina]

I switched to console almost completely. PC is just for playing TES3 Morrowind

 

[R6Rider]

I switched to console almost completely. PC is just for playing TES3 Morrowind

 

[Danknugz]

Right now i have a pc ( 3900x , 1080 ti , 32 gb ram ) , a ps4 pro and a xbox one x

I like gaming on the pc , its hooked to my tv so its not like i have to sit on my chair all the time , it just that i find it a little annoying that i constantly have to worry about upgrade , i like the easy use of consoles , just put the disk in and play , and you know 100% that the game will be optimized

with the pc now i have to change the gpu because its starting to show its age in 1440p , after 2 or 3 years i have to change cpu and mother board , and it keeps going , considering that i dont care about high fps the only disadvantage that i see is the graphics because i like high graphics and in 2 or 3 years i expect the consoles to struggle to reach medium settings

should i just pull the plug and game only on consoles ? i have reached a point in my life ( 33 years old ) where i just cant afford to spend all the money on gaming so i cant continue with all platforms

This is exactly what I did around 2003-2004 for a few years when I got fed up with how much better games ran on console back then. But that time was a whole different animal and it was practically accepted that PC gaming was riddled with all kinds of technicalities that only tech people really would be willing to deal with.

I'd reckon PC gaming only really started to be accepted as a mainstream gaming platform since the late 2000s.

 

[Skifi28]

PC for emulation, older games, mods, genres that are PC-centric and console for new releases. This has worked great for the past 3 years, in the future when/if GPUs are back to sane levels I might even double dip on some stuff.

As much as I love many aspects of PC, the simplicity of not having to worry about anything and stuff just working right away on console has been an amazing experience and sometimes it's hard to go back to wasting time tinkering, troubleshooting and hoping stuff works. In the past, consoles were a huge compromise in terms of visuals and framerate, but these days with most stuff being 60fps at 1440p+ I don't feel like I'm really missing out.

 

[littlepooch21]

PC gaming doesn't really appeal to my anymore. A $500 Xbox and $400 PS5 is good enough for me, covers the gamut of games I play. I have other hobbies that I spend my money on, ones that are far more expensive than PC gaming.

Threw that money together and you have a decent PC

 

[bentanchorbolt]

Threw that money together and you have a decent PC

Drones and RC crawlers & bashers are expensive tho.

 

[Jaybe]

Do it

 

[NovaSe7en]

Why build a gaming PC that plays everything with anything when you can artificially limit your options and have a stake in the console wars?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Consoles are better than they ever have been IMHO

Lots of easy options (30 fps quality, 40 fps medium, and 60 fps perf) with little to no tweaking, fast load times, good price, great performance for value, and with PS5 you also get a High End VR option if that interests you

The console compromises in terms of framerate or resolution used to be a lot worse. But we are kind of getting to diminishing returns on resolution. The fact of the matter is that even spending thousands of dollars on a monster rig will unlikely dramatically influence your enjoyment of games. Performance used to be the biggest factor

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

U sure OP your problem is the tinkering with PC stuff and not, let's say, a stressful life you desperately want to simplify? I don't think consoles will fix that. If you're on your way to a burnout situation, or you're unhappy with your life, your job sucks etc consoles won't change that. Think about it. Does the little extra time spent on PC tinkering really make that much of a difference in your life?

 

[samoilaaa]

U sure OP your problem is the tinkering with PC stuff and not, let's say, a stressful life you desperately want to simplify? I don't think consoles will fix that. If you're on your way to a burnout situation, or you're unhappy with your life, your job sucks etc consoles won't change that. Think about it. Does the little extra time spent on PC tinkering really make that much of a difference in your life?

i dont know , i dont think so , i mean my job is hard sometimes ( 70% of the time it isnt ) and it pays really well , i am not married with no kids , no girlfriend , i dont have any disease ( to my knowledge ) , i mean there arnt alot of stresfull factors in my life

if there are they might be buried in my subconscious and i dont notice them , thing is that there was a time where i could afford to buy any platform and play any game i wanted , now i started investing more in going to the gym in my diet and i cant afford to buy and expensive gpu a ps5 and a series x , i have to limit myself to one platform

i like pc for high graphics , i have a 65 inch tv and a game maxed out looks amazing on it but its starting to feel like i cant keep up anymore , i would really like to make console my main platform because i come home from work go to the gym then get home , cook some dinner and then just start the console and play , no worrying that when a new game comes out it might not run great , it might have stutters , it might crash alot , stuff like that

like i said the only thing that i would sacrifice is high graphics , dont get me wrong ps5/XSX look amazing right now but in 2 or 3 years i doubt that games will look and run as good as now

 

[chromhound]

 

[Banjo64]

Wait for the PS5 revision that's hopefully coming this year and then yeah, do it.

 

[rofif]

i dont know , i dont think so , i mean my job is hard sometimes ( 70% of the time it isnt ) and it pays really well , i am not married with no kids , no girlfriend , i dont have any disease ( to my knowledge ) , i mean there arnt alot of stresfull factors in my life

if there are they might be buried in my subconscious and i dont notice them , thing is that there was a time where i could afford to buy any platform and play any game i wanted , now i started investing more in going to the gym in my diet and i cant afford to buy and expensive gpu a ps5 and a series x , i have to limit myself to one platform

i like pc for high graphics , i have a 65 inch tv and a game maxed out looks amazing on it but its starting to feel like i cant keep up anymore , i would really like to make console my main platform because i come home from work go to the gym then get home , cook some dinner and then just start the console and play , no worrying that when a new game comes out it might not run great , it might have stutters , it might crash alot , stuff like that

like i said the only thing that i would sacrifice is high graphics , dont get me wrong ps5/XSX look amazing right now but in 2 or 3 years i doubt that games will look and run as good as now

Sounds like you want something else than another work after coming back from work. That's fine. if you work with a computer, I can see it being tiresome

 

[samoilaaa]

Wait for the PS5 revision that's hopefully coming this year and then yeah, do it.

u mean the ps5 pro ?

 

[MH3M3D]

Part of the PC experience is researching and upgrading parts. Just how certain people like working on their cars. If you don't care about that and wont miss any PC exclusives, then go right ahead.

 

[THE DUCK]

Consoles need upgrades, patches and shit aswell.

They are hardly as plug and play as they were in the past.

You can just turn on the pc and play with a non updated steam\graphic driver without major problems in most of the cases.

This is so far from reality it's staggering. All upgrades and patches basically happen automatically. They are 99.9% just as plug and play as the past.

Then there is pc, no matter how many times people spout bs that everything is just fine, then you get a corrupted file, or an anti cheat that won't load, or random crashing.
While pc is far, far easier than it was years ago, it still has tons more issues.

From what OP has stated, consoles make more sense.

 

[TheTony316]

Idk about you but i prefer my PS5 over my gaming PC. My PC blows the PS5 out of the water but i just like the convenience and simplicity of a console, especially in a living room setup. I'm also a big FF and Sony first party fan and i just don't want to wait a year or two for PC ports. Oh, and i just hate shader compilation issues that more and more AAA PC games are plagued with these days.

 

[Banjo64]

u mean the ps5 pro ?

Think it's just rumoured to be a slim mate, but I have a PS5 and I find it to be monstrous in design and size. If that doesn't bother you, I'd recommend one.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Buy a PS5 like I did. It's a great gaming companion, well optimised games and of course the first party line up is the best. I wouldn't expect day and date releases for those on PC, anyone who does is going to be disappointed.

Having a PC on the side is always a good idea granted you have the financial resources, you'll have an entire catalog of games to play, especially Xbox exclusives. Plus so many other things.

 

[GymWolf]

This is so far from reality it's staggering. All upgrades and patches basically happen automatically. They are 99.9% just as plug and play as the past.

Then there is pc, no matter how many times people spout bs that everything is just fine, then you get a corrupted file, or an anti cheat that won't load, or random crashing.
While pc is far, far easier than it was years ago, it still has tons more issues.

From what OP has stated, consoles make more sense.

If you leave the console in rest mode sure, you still have to wait for the long ass copy when you install from disk, at least on ps5.

And all the upgrades and patches are automatic on pc aswell, you just need to keep steam active, and since many people do other things with their pc, it is very easy to download all the patches etc. While you do something else, i turn on steam first thing so it does its things while i do mines, and it's not like you have patches every day...

I'm an absolute noob when it comes to solving pc problems, many gaffers can confirm how fucking bad i am, i can assure you that if pc gaming was problematic like you said, i would have abandoned pc gaming years ago to become a console only player.

Pc gaming if you have a good hardware and a clean pc without internal problems (very easy to achieve if you don't install any shit that comes to mind) is 90% hassle free.

 

[Filben]

Why switch and not add?

With the system you have you upgrade your GPU (like 2070/Super for under 300EUR) and are good to go. Think on how long your 1080 Ti lasts. That GPU is 6 years old.

PC has so many great games, indies with very affordable prices. Also think about the best backwards compatibility there is.

I mostly buy major AAA titles for console this generation because devs stopped caring for frame pacing and stutter and many titles won't support the DualSense. But almost every other game, indies, RTS, point and click, shooters, etc. I buy for PC (but I also have the Steam Deck and want the option to play smaller games on the go).

Overall, PC and PS5 is a great combo.

Just buy a new GPU (but no enthusiast's model) and add a console to your setup later. Or keep your GPU and play less demanding games on it while the most modern ones on a console.

 

[scarlet0pimp]

Id probably get a console now then a new graphics card in 18 months, yours isn't that bad yet. PC graphics cards market right now is crazy unless you have 1k to spend.

 

[The_Mike]

And what if I have no interest in FPS to begin with ?

Do you like the idea of not having analog triggers and joysticks for movement when playing on PC ?

Yeah I hate junky controls.

That, and with the low framerate locks in some games just makes it hard for a pc gamer to go full console.

 

[rofif]

If you leave the console in rest mode sure, you still have to wait for the long ass copy when you install from disk, at least on ps5.

And all the upgrades and patches are automatic on pc aswell, you just need to keep steam active, and since many people do other things with their pc, it is very easy to download all the patches etc. While you do something else, i turn on steam first thing so it does its things while i do mines, and it's not like you have patches every day...

I'm an absolute noob when it comes to solving pc problems, many gaffers can confirm how fucking bad i am, i can assure you that if pc gaming was problematic like you said, i would have abandoned pc gaming years ago to become a console only player.

Pc gaming if you have a good hardware and a clean pc without internal problems (very easy to achieve if you don't install any shit that comes to mind) is 90% hassle free.

Keeping rest mode using 1watt of power is less of a hassle than having steam on lol.
But that said, steam is so much faster with downloads

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I did that a few years ago… but I did make sure to keep a laptop with a middle of the road gpu for the occasional game of dota or other pc centric games.

Despite the supposed benefits of pc gaming, I'm super happy.

But not everyone is the same so maybe it's not right for you.

 

[BlackTron]

The utility of the PC is immense so you must have a very specific gaming needs/tastes to go full console only. To me personally it seems insane. I think if I had to choose 1 hardware it would be PC and if I could have 2 I'd add a Nintendo. Xbox and PS are sort of extra luxuries to me but if there was no PC they'd be extremely important lol.

But when you look at my fav games and genres like RTS, FPS, platformers and local party games it seems obvious and impossible to separate from PC/Nintendo. I'm also a big controller snob and like being able to choose the right tool for the right game. I would continue using current hardware for that stuff even if I could no longer afford new PC and needed a console just for new Square and Ubisoft games lol.

If you are maintaining a crazy PC just to max out settings on new games. The cost/benefit of PC might not really be there. You might feel better just letting a console run it as well as it can and enjoy the simpler life and deeper pockets. Many of PC's benefits are there for the taking even on a GTX1060 it's a question of whether you want to use it.

 

[THE DUCK]

If you leave the console in rest mode sure, you still have to wait for the long ass copy when you install from disk, at least on ps5.

And all the upgrades and patches are automatic on pc aswell, you just need to keep steam active, and since many people do other things with their pc, it is very easy to download all the patches etc. While you do something else, i turn on steam first thing so it does its things while i do mines, and it's not like you have patches every day...

I'm an absolute noob when it comes to solving pc problems, many gaffers can confirm how fucking bad i am, i can assure you that if pc gaming was problematic like you said, i would have abandoned pc gaming years ago to become a console only player.

Pc gaming if you have a good hardware and a clean pc without internal problems (very easy to achieve if you don't install any shit that comes to mind) is 90% hassle free.

I don't use disks so for me the download process is the same, with two very large disadvantages on PC
- Sometimes the PC version won't run
- Sometimes you have to install multiple launchers depending on what you want to play, Epic Games, Xbox, Steam, etc.......

You must live a charmed life, there has been multiple gaming PC's in my house over the past few years and not a single one of them is immune from at least some crashing, a bad install, anti cheat refusing to load, or some other stupid random thing happening from time to time.
No doubt some arrogant PC elitist will run in to answer saying you don't know how to operate a PC, that's just not true.
I'm fine with people using either (I do both myself), but the plug and play factor is just not equal.

 

[Guwop]

See ya. And sure in the hell wouldn't wanna be ya.

 

[darrylgorn]

If you're currently gaming on a 1080ti and your preference is convenience over power, then yeah, you'll want to go the console route.

 

[DryvBy]

I grew up PC gaming 99% of the time, and LAN was a big part of that. Gaming on PC felt like the proper way to do with better quality experiences every time. Today? I can play Horizon or God of War on a $500 box vs paying near triple that to run it as smooth. More games on console support mouse and keyboard, mods, crossplay, etc.

This trend of PCs becoming way too pricey is thanks to the MSRP being jacked for graphic cards and CPUs.

 

[Kataploom]

I don't use disks so for me the download process is the same, with two very large disadvantages on PC
- Sometimes the PC version won't run
- Sometimes you have to install multiple launchers depending on what you want to play, Epic Games, Xbox, Steam, etc.......

You must live a charmed life, there has been multiple gaming PC's in my house over the past few years and not a single one of them is immune from at least some crashing, a bad install, anti cheat refusing to load, or some other stupid random thing happening from time to time.
No doubt some arrogant PC elitist will run in to answer saying you don't know how to operate a PC, that's just not true.
I'm fine with people using either (I do both myself), but the plug and play factor is just not equal.

There are only two games that I haven't been able to run on my PC in the last 12 years: Sonic All-stars Racing Transformed and Sonic Generations... Both this year, you know what I did?... Run them on compatibility mode and they magically ran. Now, how do those games run on PS5?

You only have to tinker on PC if you want a very custom experience, you have the choice to do that or just eat what's been provided, you know, as you do on consoles... How much tinkering the consoles let you do in order to optimize the experience for you?

I have a Switch alongside PC, I wish I could run some games at 720p in order to get better performance sometimes, or disable the absolutely horrible AA on Xenoblade 2, but well, they won't allow me because it's a console and I have to eat what they serve, no complaints accepted.

You want to update drivers automatically without any hassle? Just leave them configured to download and install automatically, like you do on a console.

You don't want to risk drivers issues? Disable auto install, keep your current drivers and hold a couple weeks to see how they've behaved on the internet, no game will stop launching because of that like, you know... what happens on consoles if you don't have the proper update.

Seems like these arguments are "platform warring", but I'm just responding to some misunderstanding regarding PC gaming... Yeah, it's not for everyone, in fact, some of you may look at "tinkering" and customizing the experience as a hassle and "disadvantage of PC gaming", but some of us see it otherwise, I just updated my GPU because A Plague Tale: Requiem didn't run above 40 fps properly, was thinking on switching to console but it's same there with no options, I currently running the game at better visuals than consoles and 60 fps.

TL;DR: To each their own but stop spreading false BS

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The utility of the PC is immense so you must have a very specific gaming needs/tastes to go full console only.

The utility of a bare bones non-gaming PC, you mean.

Many people have ancient PCs and no need to add a modern GPU to it whatsoever. My PS5 outclasses my PC substantially

 

[AlphaMale]

I'm 100% for pure console play.
With consoles, you KNOW the other players are also using same controller you are, they are running the same frame rate you are, same graphics, etc. So if you lose to an 11-year old on console, chances are he's just better. lol
(I get that there are still cheaters, but I also think it's less prevalent on consoles versus aimbots and other cheat tools and mods on PC)

 

[Thirty7ven]

I'm a couch gaming kind of guy, my desktop days are over. When I was younger I wouldn't mind spending hours playing a game that way but that faded.

I have a good laptop for work and that's it.

Considered buying a desktop awhile ago and then I just went for a big Oled and a soundbar. Movies + Games on a big screen is my jam. I would've spent nearly the same amount of money on a PC + monitor and all I would really use it for would be gaming. I can see how that type of config is more desirable for people who are programmers or do video editing, something like that. Not for me.

And no I wouldn't put a PC next to the TV in the living room, that's just weird.

 

[R6Rider]

with consoles, you KNOW the other players are also using same controller you are

This isn't true with so many people scum running XIMs these days.

Take Siege for example. Can't find a single match without at least one.

 

[samoilaaa]

I'm a couch gaming kind of guy, my desktop days are over. When I was younger I wouldn't mind spending hours playing a game that way but that faded.

I have a good laptop for work and that's it.

Considered buying a desktop awhile ago and then I just went for a big Oled and a soundbar. Movies + Games on a big screen is my jam. I would've spent nearly the same amount of money on a PC + monitor and all I would really use it for would be gaming. I can see how that type of config is more desirable for people who are programmers or do video editing, something like that. Not for me.

And no I wouldn't put a PC next to the TV in the living room, that's just weird.

my pc is at a distance of 5m from the tv so it doesnt bother me

 

[Minsc]

I just play the games I want to play on the platform that I feel suits them best. Not sure why you need to go all in one way or the other.

I enjoy FPS much, much more with a KB/M at 120+ fps and other games I enjoy more on a handheld and others on a console on a TV with a controller.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Just do whatever you want.

You're going to get a bunch of people telling you that you are a fucking idiot for choosing consoles on PC because they are insecure PCMR twats. Play where you want.

That being said, if your question was the inverse I would say the same thing but reversed. Don't listen to anybody that is so stuck in their ways they can't possibly imagine anybody else preferring something other then them.

 

[Thirty7ven]

my pc is at a distance of 5m from the tv so it doesnt bother me

Makes sense if your living room also accommodates a work desk. In my case it's a living room/dining room so it just wouldn't work. Would have to go to the office to play PC games.

It's all a matter of use cases and living spaces.

 

[Luc2010]

The broad stroke thread by the op is hilarious. There will always be a reason to own a PC for the foreseeable future. Be it for emulation, mods, random exclusives, trainers, etc. There are a million reasons to keep PC gaming and consoles. You jump ship and then later your beating yourself up for going consoles only.

 

[Jigsaah]

Right now i have a pc ( 3900x , 1080 ti , 32 gb ram ) , a ps4 pro and a xbox one x

I like gaming on the pc , its hooked to my tv so its not like i have to sit on my chair all the time , it just that i find it a little annoying that i constantly have to worry about upgrade , i like the easy use of consoles , just put the disk in and play , and you know 100% that the game will be optimized

with the pc now i have to change the gpu because its starting to show its age in 1440p , after 2 or 3 years i have to change cpu and mother board , and it keeps going , considering that i dont care about high fps the only disadvantage that i see is the graphics because i like high graphics and in 2 or 3 years i expect the consoles to struggle to reach medium settings

should i just pull the plug and game only on consoles ? i have reached a point in my life ( 33 years old ) where i just cant afford to spend all the money on gaming so i cant continue with all platforms

Well I'll say that right now, PC gaming is more expensive than it's ever been. If consoles is what you can afford you may have answered your question just by that alone.

$500 for a console in the US...that will get you a 3080 used, but that doesnt help when you have to consider other components.

Do what you can afford, maybe work on improving your income then get back into PC gaming if you want. Consoles are great value for what they provide

 

[OLED_Gamer]

I'm 100% for pure console play.
With consoles, you KNOW the other players are also using same controller you are, they are running the same frame rate you are, same graphics, etc. So if you lose to an 11-year old on console, chances are he's just better. lol
(I get that there are still cheaters, but I also think it's less prevalent on consoles versus aimbots and other cheat tools and mods on PC)

You can use m+k on console FYI. Also, there are pro controllers out there too.

 

[BlackTron]

The utility of a bare bones non-gaming PC, you mean.

Many people have ancient PCs and no need to add a modern GPU to it whatsoever. My PS5 outclasses my PC substantially

Read the rest of my post man lol

 

[SNG32]

PC gaming is a never ending upgrading money pit.
I still prefer the simplified approach of consoles.

It really isn't you can enjoy hardware for years but the problem is that people think that if it's not hitting stable 60 fps at 1440p or 4K it is not worthy. Even if fps drops to 54 to 53 fps people feel disgusted and unworthy. When the human eye wouldn't notice the drop if you never had the counter. You can still enjoy PC even if you have to scale back settings that aren't always on Ultra and 4K.

 

[THE DUCK]

There are only two games that I haven't been able to run on my PC in the last 12 years: Sonic All-stars Racing Transformed and Sonic Generations... Both this year, you know what I did?... Run them on compatibility mode and they magically ran. Now, how do those games run on PS5?

You only have to tinker on PC if you want a very custom experience, you have the choice to do that or just eat what's been provided, you know, as you do on consoles... How much tinkering the consoles let you do in order to optimize the experience for you?

I have a Switch alongside PC, I wish I could run some games at 720p in order to get better performance sometimes, or disable the absolutely horrible AA on Xenoblade 2, but well, they won't allow me because it's a console and I have to eat what they serve, no complaints accepted.

You want to update drivers automatically without any hassle? Just leave them configured to download and install automatically, like you do on a console.

You don't want to risk drivers issues? Disable auto install, keep your current drivers and hold a couple weeks to see how they've behaved on the internet, no game will stop launching because of that like, you know... what happens on consoles if you don't have the proper update.

Seems like these arguments are "platform warring", but I'm just responding to some misunderstanding regarding PC gaming... Yeah, it's not for everyone, in fact, some of you may look at "tinkering" and customizing the experience as a hassle and "disadvantage of PC gaming", but some of us see it otherwise, I just updated my GPU because A Plague Tale: Requiem didn't run above 40 fps properly, was thinking on switching to console but it's same there with no options, I currently running the game at better visuals than consoles and 60 fps.

TL;DR: To each their own but stop spreading false BS

Good for you. I fought the anti cheat crap on Epic games for hours. Didn't magically run. Automatic drivers or manual drivers didn't have anything to do with it.
The one computer we had just liked to blue screen and crash. I eventually got to the problem, but it took plenty of troubleshooting.
The other computer we had didn't run some games. Didn't care about compatibility mode, didn't care what I tried. And we are talking a computer with a fresh install of windows and a 1060, so hardly anything exotic.

Your just another one of those arrogant posters I was talking about, assuming that people who have issues don't know what they are doing.

It's not platform warring to have an opinion, that's where this board keeps getting off track lately.
Please feel free to explain the "false BS" in my post. I am posting based off my experience, and that of a few friends or family that am usually the one helping on the technical side.
To say each his own and then deny or imply that my experience only exemplifies that you can't seem to handle an opinion that doesn't match with your own.

And to be clear, I am debating the ease of use function of PC only. Of course it has many other advantages, dual use for work, home based things, emulation, etc.
My primary PC has a 3060 (I know not a 4090) but I don't use it much as I prefer the consoles for the most part.

 

[JackSparr0w]

Drones and RC crawlers & bashers are expensive tho.

You edit your drone videos on your Ps5?

 

[Kataploom]

Good for you. I fought the anti cheat crap on Epic games for hours. Didn't magically run. Automatic drivers or manual drivers didn't have anything to do with it.
The one computer we had just liked to blue screen and crash. I eventually got to the problem, but it took plenty of troubleshooting.
The other computer we had didn't run some games. Didn't care about compatibility mode, didn't care what I tried. And we are talking a computer with a fresh install of windows and a 1060, so hardly anything exotic.

Your just another one of those arrogant posters I was talking about, assuming that people who have issues don't know what they are doing.

It's not platform warring to have an opinion, that's where this board keeps getting off track lately.
Please feel free to explain the "false BS" in my post. I am posting based off my experience, and that of a few friends or family that am usually the one helping on the technical side.
To say each his own and then deny or imply that my experience only exemplifies that you can't seem to handle an opinion that doesn't match with your own.

And to be clear, I am debating the ease of use function of PC only. Of course it has many other advantages, dual use for work, home based things, emulation, etc.
My primary PC has a 3060 (I know not a 4090) but I don't use it much as I prefer the consoles for the most part.

Yeah I apologize if the TL;DR felt too condescending but having games not running and whatnot as a norm on PC is just false, I'm completely aware that anti-cheats on PC has always had issues in some specific scenarios but nor even that is the norm. Today more than ever PC gaming is very plug and play even if not as consoles, but yeah, for those that don't like tinkering and the technical side of computers, they're better off going for consoles. PC has always been for enthusiasts anyway