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[NoFaceNico]

I liked the idea of kickstarter. Now look what has become of it.

Well, actually it hasn't really changed all that much. Fans of ideas that publishers won't touch and products that are too stupid for even Sky Mall to feature get to fund and take on a disproportionate amount of risk in exchange for consistently late, over-promising rewards.

Of course the people behind Kickstarter ideas are competent and able to deliver, that's what they said when they took your money so it might be true, right? But even Kickstarters from "Big" names can fail. Out of the four big Kickstarter games we've had recently, I feel like one of them will fail. As in catastrophic failure where nothing is ever delivered and the creator has to put on his best BP Oil face and say "Sorry. Backer beware. Kickstarter is not a store." Which will it be? Yooka-Laylee? Shenmue? Bloodstained? Or Red Ash? My vote goes for Red Ash. At best it's going to squeak past its goal and that's incredibly dangerous for a game like this that's hiding behind it's stretch goals.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

Kamiya doesn't dislike Inafune

While I hope he doesn't, wasn't it because of Inafune's decisions that Kamiya left Capcom?

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

I'm beginning to understand why Kamiya seems to dislike Inafune so much.

You think he hates him because of that tweet? lol

 

[Dio]

Kamiya doesn't dislike Inafune

I dunno, his dismissive attitude in the previously mentioned 'businessman not a creator' tweet combined with this makes me think otherwise:

 

[Frozenprince]

The biggest problem with KS is that, look if you need $3M instead of 800K to make the game you envisioned, then ASK FOR $3M. If you need $10M (WHY SHENMUE WHY ;- then ask for $10M, and people will know that it's the appropriate value for the vision and dream YOU have for this project.

But by setting a price point lower so as to ensure you reach it, your sacrificing a lot because once it hits that goal, momentum dies (unless it's a truly special project) because "well it's funded now so it's coming out regardless".

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Your reckon the game was going to look like that?

Cause I can tell you now, it ain't.

I'm more enamored with the colorful, simplified, ghibli-esque aesthetic. In terms of tech, I couldn't care less how man polygons are on screen. Aesthetically, these screenshots still look beautiful to me. I'd almost say the limited use of geometry plussed the charm of the art style.

Like, I love the little details in the textures, like moss growing out of the walls and fixtures. That concept art evokes that same charming aesthetic to me, that honestly doesn't require bleeding edge tech to look good.

The biggest problem with KS is that, look if you need $3M instead of 800K to make the game you envisioned, then ASK FOR $3M. If you need $10M (WHY SHENMUE WHY ;- then ask for $10M, and people will know that it's the appropriate value for the vision and dream YOU have for this project.

But by setting a price point lower so as to ensure you reach it, your sacrificing a lot because once it hits that goal, momentum dies (unless it's a truly special project) because "well it's funded now so it's coming out regardless".

I think it's a lot lower this time around because their betting on additional funding through come through the sales of MN9, which should at the very least have decent numbers.

 

[low-G]

Why couldn't they wait until after Mighty No9 launched. T_T
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No one will give Inafune the time of day after that is why

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

I dunno, his dismissive attitude in the previously mentioned 'businessman not a creator' tweet combined with this makes me think otherwise:

I still don't believe that one "businessman" tweet is indicative of any bad blood between them. Kamiya may very well dislike Inafune given his recent tweets about Mighty no. 9 and the possibility that Inafune was largely responsible for the shuttering of Clover - but that one tweet was just him matter-of-factly saying "he's a producer like my boss Inaba, not a director / game designer, nothing wrong with that".

 

[Caronte]

Kamiya doesn't dislike Inafune

He dislikes him as a game creator.

You think he hates him because of that tweet? lol

Dislike =/= Hate

 

[Canis lupus]

Kamiya doesn't dislike Inafune

Hè does, Inafune closed down Clover because it wasnt doing well financially (read the 2007 interview). Thats why the ''hes a good businessman'', for closing down a bad operation.

 

[mgs2master2]

I dunno, his dismissive attitude in the previously mentioned 'businessman not a creator' tweet combined with this makes me think otherwise:

Kamiya still the man. Speaking truth in the tweets

 

[Wanderer5]

I dunno, his dismissive attitude in the previously mentioned 'businessman not a creator' tweet combined with this makes me think otherwise:

His businessman not a creator tweet wasn't a jab at all. Here that in its full context:

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

His businessman not a creator tweet wasn't a jab at all. Here that in its full context:

Kamiya HATES him.

 

[Gaogaogao]

thats not how goals work

youre supposed to define a goal first, then achieve it.

 

[RangerBAD]

Fund the anime not the game. Less messing around with the backers.

 

[sturgboski]

Console port stretch goal before a finished game with all chapters?

Why is finishing the game a stretch goal to begin with?

Is this your first Kickstarter? Not to be facetious here but every Kickstarter pretty much goes "if we hit the minimum we name the game as we've shared wanted. However if we hit the stretch goals we make the game we really wanted to make in the first place." In this case, it feels like Godus, wherein the base goal was set low enough under the assumption that the Kickstarter would sail past that and the first set of initial stretch goals but this point, much like MN9, Bloodstained and even Shenmue 3. I truly do not think they expected the Kickstarter to limp across the initial funding goal.

This seems so scummy, like those auction sites that have you pay to bid. "Want the game on your console? Give us money to count your vote."

Quick, delete that post. Reading what he did with fundraising after the MN9 KS, Inafune is going to do exactly as you suggested for additional funds for this game.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

A businessman, indeed.

A shitty one if he expected people tolerate this bullshit.

 

[Crocodile]

The biggest problem with KS is that, look if you need $3M instead of 800K to make the game you envisioned, then ASK FOR $3M. If you need $10M (WHY SHENMUE WHY ;- then ask for $10M, and people will know that it's the appropriate value for the vision and dream YOU have for this project.

But by setting a price point lower so as to ensure you reach it, your sacrificing a lot because once it hits that goal, momentum dies (unless it's a truly special project) because "well it's funded now so it's coming out regardless".

I'm guessing you don't follow kickstarters much? If you set the base funding goal too high, people are discouraged from donating at all because they think that goal will never be reached. Lots of people don't realize or know but don't actually conceptualize that you lose no money until the very end of the campaign if its funded. It's the same thing with people who will say "I won't fund this until goal X is reached" whereas the fact that they are withholding money makes it harder to hit goals and its no risk to your wallet until the end of the campaign. Overall, it comes down to basic human pscychology - people like to back winners and it looks better to blast past your goals than to just hit your target even if the same amount of money is involved. Being able to understand and exploit (you can do this in a good way or a bad way, its not auto bad) human psychology is a key part of running a successful campaign.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Hè does, Inafune closed down Clover because it wasnt doing well financially (read the 2007 interview). Thats why the ''hes a good businessman'', for closing down a bad operation.

If something I learn from Kamiya Twitter thread is that most people interpret the stuff he says as they want.

Thought, in this case, imagine dropped the ball in a spectacular way.

 

[Hubble]

Um yeah, this is just a really really bad idea. How the hell? The Kickstarter should have just picked a console for a stretch goal, and this way it would have added more pledges. Now people do not know what console it is, so there isn't much incentive to fund the campaign.

 

[Father_Brain]

And to think I originally thought people were being too harsh on this Kickstarter.