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INCEPTION |OT| Movie of the Forever

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DanielPlainview said:
Armond White is kind of destroying these guys. Why the fuck are they talking about bullshit? They should focus on Inception and bring up specific points.
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I would hope so, considering he's a two-time chairman of the New York Film Critics Circle, and they are some dudes that have a movie podcast.

I will listen to this tomorrow.
 
Oh god they are just getting schooled. So stupid.

"YEAH HUH BUT DID HE HAVE
ONE THING HAPPENING IN ANOTHER THING IN ANOTHER THING AND THEN LIKE A FOURTH THING??
"
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I'd say The Prestige has more "truth of humanity" in it than Inception, but Inception has some very interesting concepts regarding ideas and obsession. But no "truths", or if they are, they're not fully developed.
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I agree about The Prestige, but their argument was in terms of Nolan's most recent film. A film certainly does not have to have to be thematically sound, and I believe Inception is a good example for why. It's good despite being relatively empty in terms of message. There were themes that Nolan could have explored, but what he ended up choosing to do was either completely non-existent or so under developed that it amounted to little more than throw away.

It's most profound study, the nebulous barrier between reality and dreams, and the issues that can potentially arise when that barrier is ultimately blurred among recognition, is impractical within most real world situations outside of clinical delusion.
 
SamuraiX- said:
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Did Armond White really say Jason Statham is a better actor and stars in better movies than Leonardo DiCaprio?
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He's explaining it pretty well now. I completely disagree, but he does explain it well!
 
Pretty much, Armond prefers the "disreputable" movies to the "reputable" ones.

He puts movies into one of those two categories where he has some kind of double standard going on.
 
harSon said:
I agree about The Prestige, but their argument was in terms of Nolan's most recent film. A film certainly does not have to have to be thematically sound, and I believe Inception is a good example for why. It's good despite being relatively empty in terms of message. There were themes that Nolan could have explored, but what he ended up choosing to do was either completely non-existent or so under developed that it amounted to little more than throw away.

It's most profound study, the nebulous barrier between reality and dreams, and the issues that can potentially arise when that barrier is ultimately blurred among recognition, is impractical within most real world situations outside of clinical delusion.
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Agreed.

Armond is obviously a smart guy, when he's not reviewing movies. Death Race more powerful than Inception? I just...I don't...
 
So because Inception has a big budget and a larger-than-average advertisement campaign, it shouldn't be considered artistic?

Holy shit. :lol
 
Kusagari said:
White thinks Crank 2 is one of the best movies ever so it makes sense.
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The first two Crank movies are some of the best straight-up action films of the last decade.

So much better than that Predators junk. And it will probably be better than Expendables as well. White's clearly trolling, but he's really good at it. Because he can articulate. :lol

Anyways I really don't like Leonardo DiCaprio, once again he pulled of a competent performance. But I'm sick of seeing his furrowed brow all the time. Him and Bale can just piss off (the latter is fine without his horrible American accent though).

Kraftwerk said:
Transporter>gang of new york+shutter island
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Fixed for you.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Yeah, I disagree with him creatively almost across the board, but he's still running circles around these dudes.
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Yeah. Their mix of snarky trolling + trying to be nice guys ("We like Jason Statham too!") is pretty amateur.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Aaaand he just referenced Manny Farber.

Sorry guys, but Armond White wins this one hands down.
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Could you slide off his cock for two seconds?

This isn't a championship debate round. It's an interview.
 
SamuraiX- said:
"I see nothing positive in Inception." - Armond White

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So basically he just enjoys trolling Christopher Nolan films.
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I should listen to this. He sounds like my kind of guy.
 
SamuraiX- said:
Could you slide off his cock for two seconds?

This isn't a championship debate round. It's an interview.
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Could I what off his what?

Does it bother you that White just name-dropped the most underrated film critic of the 20th Century?
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Yeah. Their mix of snarky trolling + trying to be nice guys ("We like Jason Statham too!") is pretty amateur.
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They run an internet podcast and he's a teacher and runs a film board. He'd run circles around any of us.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Aaaand he just referenced Manny Farber.

Sorry guys, but Armond White wins this one hands down.
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He namedrops people like Farber, Ingmar Bergman, D.W. Griffith et al from bygone eras to seem like he's more of an authority. It's a nice little trick.

Of course when it comes to current film he feels he has to stand up for movies like The Transporter and Death Race against the menace of serious films. He would have trolled the shit out of Bergman back in the day too, don't get it twisted. Just imagine Armond's reviewing mentality on The Seventh Seal removing it from the institutionalized reverence for the movie.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Yeah, I disagree with him creatively almost across the board, but he's still running circles around these dudes.
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He is a graduate and former professor of Columbia University. In this setting and with these particular people, he could probably argue in favor of something deplorable like murder and ultimately come out winning the argument. :lol
 
Was looking at his top 10s from the past 10+ years, dude has a huge hard on for Speilberg.

Movies like Lost World, Terminal, and War of the Worlds found their way in his top 10

and movies like A.I. and Amistad found their way into his #1 for their year.
 
THANK YOU!

Bringing Lynch into the discussion to crush Nolan's presentation of dreams. Righteous. Very righteous.

edit: What? Pop culture? How does that make sense?
 
I understand what White's saying but it just seems so ridiculous when he harps on a movie like Inception for this while praising some of the other movies he does.
 
BobsRevenge said:
THANK YOU!

Bringing Lynch into the discussion to crush Nolan's presentation of dreams. Righteous. Very righteous.

edit: What? Pop culture? How does that make sense?
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ugh for the millionth time the dreams in Inception are engineered to fool the dreamer into thinking they are real. It's a science fiction movie where you can share dreams with people via a made up machine.
 
I could maybe see women as frightening and repellent in Memento, and Inception. But The Dark Knight? Batman Begins? The Prestige, where the two main characters are assholes/neglectful men?

Nolan clearly has a masculine tone to his movies, but "frightening and repellent" female roles?

I just don't like how he applies completely different standards to different movies or genres.
 
You can tell that White is a smart guy.

Its just that his opinions lie so far in the extremes that its really hard to take him seriously.
 
Calcaneus said:
You can tell that White is a smart guy.

Its just that his opinions lie so far in the extremes that its really hard to take him seriously.
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This I can agree with. I respect him as an intellect, just not as a movie critic.
 
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