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Inside the disturbing sex industry thriving around America’s military bases.

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wildfire

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/sex-industry-military-bases-213311

The article is fairly long.

It’s easy to condemn male military personnel for taking advantage of often-exploitative sex industries in places like South Korea and the Balkans. But as a soldier who runs ROK Drop, a popular blog about the military in South Korea, points out, it’s wrong to blame the soldiers alone. The policies of United States Forces Korea “ensure this type of activity will continue around the U.S. camps.” It’s hypocritical, he says: Training programs are “telling soldiers to drink responsibly and stay away from juicy girls, but what environment do we create for the soldiers to spend most of their free time in? A ville [camptown] filled with cheap booze and prostitutes.”

The dearth of other recreational opportunities may be a factor. But at issue are also the broader American military culture, and the sexism and patriarchy found in the United States, Korea and much of the world. The behavior of men who take advantage of exploitative sex industries is often excused as a matter of “boys will be boys”—as merely natural behavior for male soldiers. In fact, there’s little about the behavior that’s natural. Men on military bases and women in camptowns find themselves in a highly unnatural situation, one that’s been created by a series of decisions made over time (mostly by male military and government officials). Those decisions have created a predominantly male military environment, where women’s visible presence is overwhelmingly reduced to one role: sex.
Considering past discussion about divorces in the military and sexual misconduct among fellow soldiers this is an overlooked topic worth bringing up.
 
The article is right, soldiers having sex with prostitutes in foreign lands sounds extremely unnatural. When did this phenomenon start?!
 

Gallbaro

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I think up until Dien Bien Phu the French Military actually had a large, very large, professional brothel operation, started in WWI.
 

Dishwalla

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Isn't one of the allures of the military is to join to see the world and bang all the girls therein? That said, in the Navy at least it's being frowned upon in the last few years, during deployment we were forbidden from even going to strip clubs in other countries on the basis of it being tied to human trafficking.
 

entremet

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Isn't one of the allures of the military is to join to see the world and bang all the girls therein? That said, in the Navy at least it's being frowned upon in the last few years, during deployment we were forbidden from even going to strip clubs in other countries on the basis of it being tied to human trafficking.
I thought it was free college lol
 

ponpo

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Isn't one of the allures of the military is to join to see the world and bang all the girls therein? That said, in the Navy at least it's being frowned upon in the last few years, during deployment we were forbidden from even going to strip clubs in other countries on the basis of it being tied to human trafficking.

We want their women is the new we want their oil.
 

Man God

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brothels forming up near military camps? Happens literally everywhere soldiers are stationed and like others have alluded to is older than recorded history.
 
I think up until Dien Bien Phu the French Military actually had a large, very large, professional brothel operation, started in WWI.

During the Civil War, prostitutes followed Gen. Hooker's unit in the Union army often. An old history teacher told us that they were known as "Hooker's Brigade".
 

shira

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Isn't one of the allures of the military is to join to see the world and bang all the girls therein?

I heard about some African American women on base in Korea who were whoring themselves out to Korean businessmen. I mean that kind of interracial sex is a once in a lifetime experience for the host country as well.
 

Jintor

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The article is right, soldiers having sex with prostitutes in foreign lands sounds extremely unnatural. When did this phenomenon start?!

the quasi-permanent establishment of camp towns around foreign military bases is a pretty weird thing, culturally speaking, at least in terms of what this article is speaking about... although it seems it might be a natural result of anywhere where a foreign military is stationed for long periods of time away from other social roots.
 

antonz

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They are right that the Military has in general done a terrible job with giving soldiers alternatives to the vices they say to not fall into and instead make it so the vices they speak against are mainly what's available in the first place. That said its been an issue since the dawn of armies and warfare so there is no simple solutions
 

Man God

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This is not a phenomena that only foreign armies stationed overseas face. This happens around any gathering of armed forces, even on home soil!
 

DY_nasty

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the quasi-permanent establishment of camp towns around foreign military bases is a pretty weird thing, culturally speaking, at least in terms of what this article is speaking about... although it seems it might be a natural result of anywhere where a foreign military is stationed for long periods of time away from other social roots.

its straight up common and expected
 

Jintor

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its straight up common and expected

Since the mid-1990s, the dramatic growth in the South Korean economy has largely allowed Korean women to escape the exploitative conditions of the camptown bars and clubs (large numbers remain in higher-end prostitution for Korean customers). Filipinas and, to a lesser extent, women from Russia and former Soviet republics have generally replaced Korean women as the primary camptown sex workers. The South Korean government’s creation of the E-6 “entertainer” visa has allowed Korean “promoters” to import the women on a legal basis. The E-6 visa is the only Korean visa for which an HIV test is mandatory; venereal disease tests are required every three months. Over 90 percent of women with the visas are estimated to work in the sex industry.
The promoters who recruit women often promise to find them work as singers or dancers—applicants must submit videos demonstrating singing ability. The agents then bring the women into South Korea, charging them a fee that the women must pay off by working in camptowns and other bars and clubs.

The women sign a contract in their home country specifying an employer and a salary, but they often end up in different clubs and working for a lower salary than promised. The promoters and owners often charge hidden fees or deduct money from the women’s salaries, keeping them in perpetual debt. Often the housing and food promised in contracts is little more than a decrepit shared room above the bar and ramen noodles. In some clubs, owners force women to perform sex work in “VIP rooms” or other locations. In others, indebtedness and psychological coercion force the women into sex. Speaking little Korean, the women have little recourse. Promoters and bar owners often hold the women’s passports. Leaving their place of employment would subject them to immediate arrest, fines, imprisonment or deportation by the South Korean state and potentially violent retribution from those to whom they are indebted.

In 2002, a Cleveland television station exposed how military police officers were protecting the bars and the GIs in them, and interacting with women they knew had been trafficked and sold at auction. “You know something is wrong when the girls are asking you to buy them bread,” one soldier said. “They can’t leave the clubs. They barely feed them.” Another commented, “There are only Americans in these clubs. If they’re bringing these women over here to work for us, they should get paid a fair wage. They should have the right to a day off.” (Most of the women get one day off a month.) In a 2002 report, the State Department confirmed that South Korea was a destination for trafficked women. And in 2007, three researchers concluded that U.S. bases in South Korea have become “a hub for the transnational trafficking of women from the Asia Pacific and Eurasia to South Korea and the United States.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/sex-industry-military-bases-213311#ixzz3qUELPbBq

Common and expected it might be, but the results it has created are a problem

Stay away from juicy girls.

Turns out it's an actual term used:

At so-called juicy bars, for instance, men buy small glasses of supposedly alcoholic juice for scantily clad “juicy girls,” most of whom have been trafficked from the Philippines or the former Soviet Union. The rules differ slightly from bar to bar, but basically, if a man buys enough juice, he can arrange to take a woman out. There’s no explicit exchange of money for sex at the bar, but once the two are off the premises, a deal is done.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/sex-industry-military-bases-213311#ixzz3qUEc9STL
 

way more

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Dating to the 1945 U.S. occupation of Korea, when GIs casually bought sex with as little as a cigarette, these camptowns have been at the center of an exploitative and profoundly disturbing sex industry—one that both displays and reinforces the military’s attitudes about men, women, power and dominance.

The dearth of other recreational opportunities may be a factor. But at issue are also the broader American military culture, and the sexism and patriarchy found in the United States, Korea and much of the world.

Those decisions have created a predominantly male military environment, where women’s visible presence is overwhelmingly reduced to one role: sex.

Institutionalized military prostitution trains men to believe that using the sexual services of women is part of what it means to be a soldier and, indeed, part of what it means to be a man. Given the ubiquitous nature of camptown prostitution in South Korea in particular, men deployed to the country frequently have their ideas about what it means to be a man transformed. Along with the sexually objectifying entertainment of USO shows (think the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders), pervasive pornography in the services and training infused with sexist epithets, camptown prostitution helps produce a military culture of sexism, misogyny and the dehumanization of women.


It's a little odd how they try to blame the entire US military culture because they are permissive on sex objectification when you have the host nation literally importing in sex workers on sex worker visas. If you have an article on sex slavery do you really need to bring up that USO shows feature the Dallas Cowboys?


“You know something is wrong when the girls are asking you to buy them bread,” one soldier said. “They can’t leave the clubs. They barely feed them.” Another commented, “There are only Americans in these clubs. If they’re bringing these women over here to work for us, they should get paid a fair wage. They should have the right to a day off.”

I like how the call for reform is from the soldiers and potential johns themselves.
 

Jintor

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It's a little odd how they try to blame the entire US military culture because of a sex objectifying culture when you have the host nation literally importing in sex workers on sex worker visas.

It is complex. I think the root of the argument is that the demand comes from the military. The host nation in this view merely becomes an economic facilitator.
 

Opto

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think the issue is less "prostitutes near our soldiers?!" and more about how our military bases keep human traffickers afloat and command isn't cracking down on their soldiers that support it.
 
So you're telling me a lot of these military men who in large have girlfriends and wives back home might be cheating on them with prostitutes? I'm shocked....
 
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During the Civil War, prostitutes followed Gen. Hooker's unit in the Union army often. An old history teacher told us that they were known as "Hooker's Brigade".

But really everyone called them Hooker's Hookers.
 
You see this stateside too. Awful lot of backpage masseuses offering military discounts...

I hear that they are a little more forward in Japan. Around bases Japanese prostitutes will sit outside looking for American men, and when one walks by they will say "Massagee?"

And American military men know exactly what "massagee" means
 

raphier

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The army does this because you can't control horny soldiers. The moment you start to oppress biological sexual desires you only make matters worse. And using misogyny as the reason? Yeah how about we chop their dicks off to fix that problem! Army should hire eunuch warlords. No more misogyny and sexism!
 

Jintor

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think the issue is less "prostitutes near our soldiers?!" and more about how our military bases keep human traffickers afloat and command isn't cracking down on their soldiers that support it.

exactly.

man, barely any of you reactionaries have read the article, you're all railing against some imaginary article you've read in your brains. the problem isn't that prostitution exists, the problem is that human trafficking and literal exploitation of women from poorer countries is resulting from the policies the US Military and Host Nations are implementing.
 
So you're telling me a lot of these military men who in large have girlfriends and wives back home might be cheating on them with prostitutes? I'm shocked....

It goes both ways. As a corpsman who held two NEC's with one being a pharmacy technician, I can't tell you how many times military wives came to the pharmacy to get Plan B when their husbands were on deployment.
 
This happens with literally every stationary army ever.

Some notable being WWII Japan, a a lot of US bases in foreign soil.
 
So do all guys think about just sex
Well they're often in high stress jobs, away from their support group/family, and probably way higher paid than most in the local economy. Kind of like how in North Dakota's oil boom there was an insane rise in sex workers and strippers coming to the area from major cities.
 
It goes both ways. As a corpsman who held two NEC's with one being a pharmacy technician, I can't tell you how many times military wives came to the pharmacy to get Plan B when their husbands were on deployment.

Yikes! Well at least you guys had Plan B available for those women. Just imagine if you guys were treated like American conservatives who have been attacking planned parenthood. Lots of "surprises" when their husbands came home...
 

riotous

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It's a little odd how they try to blame the entire US military culture because they are permissive on sex objectification when you have the host nation literally importing in sex workers on sex worker visas. If you have an article on sex slavery do you really need to bring up that USO shows feature the Dallas Cowboys?

They cover those visas extensively as well as many other topics aside from US military culture; if anything they bring up said culture as a way to explain and to some extent excuse the soldier's involved and their behavior. The article's extensive examination of how past crack downs have failed is certainly also suggesting more than military culture needs to be changed.

Assuming these girls are legal and not being trafficked, what's the disturbing part here?

People paying for sex, oh the horror!

The article is suggesting they are in fact trafficked girls; it suggests they are being lied to and swindled by "recruiters" as well as being abused. It's suggesting that while laws were changed they are still generally dealing in girls who were taken advantage of.
 
So do all guys think about just sex

I imagine if there are men in this situation that don't want to have sex with the prostitutes, they would do so nevertheless because of peer pressure, or simply because their environment is heavily skewed away from other past times that might interest them, or a myriad of other elements which coalesce to increase the likelihood of any one man partaking of sex workers regardless of his predisposition for it.
 
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