I'm actually pleasantly surprised. Would be a good 'PS5/Xbox beater' for someone who wants a mid range gaming PC.
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Intel Arc A770 officially announced for sale on October 12th at 329USD
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised. Would be a good 'PS5/Xbox beater' for someone who wants a mid range gaming PC.
01011001
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A770 is like a slightly bigger 6700 XT, so Intel seems to be doing a fire sale.
DaGwaphics
Member
It's the only real option for them to break in. I expect that they will offer extremely competitive prices for quite some time. I'll keep an eye on the A770 reviews, maybe I might jump on that if they can deliver it for the sticker price of $350.
Andodalf
Banned
I mean it’s cheaper than the 3060 and has better RT than the 6600 XT. They launched a gpu with a space in the market on their first try, that’s a huge W
Walter Matthau
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bentanchorbolt
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This is their first attempt and it seems solid if you look at pricing and what you get. Drivers will mature, this is new for them. We need a 3rd company in the market to drive competition. It may take a couple generations but this is a good thing.
Crayon
Member
I am not about to jump on board yet but I am liking what I'm seeing. First off, the cards look great. I know it doesn't really matter, but those are the best looking cards I've seen since the R9 Fury.
And brav-o on the pricing strat and even the marketing message "Bringing Back Balance". Maybe this will make amd think twice before fucking up their chance with RDNA3 pricing.
And brav-o on the pricing strat and even the marketing message "Bringing Back Balance". Maybe this will make amd think twice before fucking up their chance with RDNA3 pricing.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I love that Intel’s focused on the midrange, because Nvidia just wants to push $1,500-$2,000 cards down our throats.
PaintTinJr
Member
I'm not sure if the technical specs pf the Arc cards on sites like techpower are just guesses at the moment, but if they are accurate. I think the nvidia is going to have an issue with the level of double flops (64bit) these cards can do at that price point, because Intel at this stage, aren't doing a workstation class (Fire/Quadro) range of their own are effectively putting out cards that aren't nerfed for workstation use AFAIK,
Even the Gpixel level on these cards from the A750 are almost the same as the A770 card - looking at the specs - (which are at 3080 levels) with the A750 at 112ROPs versus the A770 at 128 ROPs, and both using clocks north of 2Mhz at base, suggests these are very balanced designs IMO.
the info at
https://game.intel.com/story/intel-arc-graphics-qa-hardware-specs/
with a slide showing the full range's power use also suggests these on the next node are going to either see big performance or power efficiency gains - going by how the A380 and A580's drop in clock/specs impacts power use.
In the video it sounded like they are benching these against overclocked 3060 cards, while running their Arc at stock clocks, so will be interesting to see where these land in 2years with new DX12/Vulkan game use and highly evolved drivers.
Even the Gpixel level on these cards from the A750 are almost the same as the A770 card - looking at the specs - (which are at 3080 levels) with the A750 at 112ROPs versus the A770 at 128 ROPs, and both using clocks north of 2Mhz at base, suggests these are very balanced designs IMO.
the info at
https://game.intel.com/story/intel-arc-graphics-qa-hardware-specs/
with a slide showing the full range's power use also suggests these on the next node are going to either see big performance or power efficiency gains - going by how the A380 and A580's drop in clock/specs impacts power use.
In the video it sounded like they are benching these against overclocked 3060 cards, while running their Arc at stock clocks, so will be interesting to see where these land in 2years with new DX12/Vulkan game use and highly evolved drivers.
twilo99
Member
Those Intel prices are making me feel like I am in a time machine or something.. Decent GPUs used to cost this much like a decade ago.
You can once again maybe consider building a budget gaming PC that could compete with a PS5 that doesn't cost 4x as much...
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01011001
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Jayztwocents reads the back of the package requirements of the A750
the A750 recommends a 600 watt PSU, and the ARC 7 series all draw the same power going by the specs of the cards.
so I assume a 650 watt PSU should be totally fine
LordOfChaos
Member
Yeah I'm curious to see tests with and without resizable bar on final launch drivers, is it always going to be a huge deal on these GPUs, or can they optimize that out and you just miss a bit
01011001
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this is indeed an important point. these cards are basically designed with Rebar in mind and don't work as intended without it. so having a modern Motherboard and CPU is important!
remember, not all AM4 boards do support Rebar! some released before rebar was even a thing and some will need bios updates to support it. so some of you might have a modern Zen 2 or even Zen 3 CPU but use it on a board that was originally meant for Zen 1 or Zen+ and never got a bios update
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Apparently it's a hardware memory controller issue and wont be fixable via software. Will have to see how 3rd party reviews look but at the lowest level it is a hardware problem.
The issue is compounded by the fact that people looking at these because they are cheap are also the ones who probably went with a cheap motherboard without the support. I'm not even sure there would be many people who have a zen2 or intel 12th gen that paired it with something less powerful than these, most people would have bought a better gpu before upgrading their cpu to one of those.
LordOfChaos
Member
They said their memory model heavily leans on it and is much slower without, and even to go with "someone else" if you didn't have resizable bar, but also that they were working on tuning it out as much in possible in drivers too
Buggy Loop
Member
So, unless real reviews shows that intel lied about benchmarks (i doubt), it's a very very good first entry into GPUs. Imagine if that had released 1 year ago? The price is right, the performances seems to be there, the cards are looking good and not chunky, they have the right tech for RT & AI. We'll have to see how it goes with drivers but i mean yea, not Intel's first rodeo on that front anyway since they had to do it for integrated graphics.
Give or take 2nd or 3rd iteration of their GPUs and they might be a serious contender.. If i didn't have a 3080 Ti, i think i would have tried to buy it.
Give or take 2nd or 3rd iteration of their GPUs and they might be a serious contender.. If i didn't have a 3080 Ti, i think i would have tried to buy it.
ZoukGalaxy
Gold Member
That's criminal, you're under the cat.
Oops, my bad, you're under arrest very mean thug
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Well what does the swear mean?
I've just realized this GPU is named after a popular swear in Rome. Now italianGAF can finally say Thank you ARC A770
Kazekage1981
Member
Will Intel incorporate their ARC GPU into their own APU format instead of their current sucky iGPU's? Will it be at the same level as the upcoming 'Phoenix' APU from AMD? Glad we got a decent 3rd contender in the GPU market.
LordOfChaos
Member
Yes, but even more exciting than that is tiled GPUs, which promise to bring closer to dedicated graphics performance to integrated integration
Future Intel CPUs to Get Arc 'Tile GPUs' Capable of Discrete Graphics Performance
The chips will start arriving next year with the upcoming Meteor Lake processors.
Kazekage1981
Member
Awesome, but what about bandwidth and reduced latency? DDR5 has greater bandwidth than DDR4, but not at the same level as GDDR5, GDDR6, HBM? Is there some sort of ESRAM\EDRAM for PC's similar to Xbox One and Xbox360 that boosts bandwidth without increasing latency?
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Pcie 4 / 5
Kazekage1981
Member
how does that increase RAM bandwidth? Graphics need a lot of RAM bandwidth
RoboFu
One of the green rats
With pcie 4 / 5 and direct storage along with sampler feedback will greatly reduce how much bandwidth you will need on a gpu.
No shit
LordOfChaos
Member
I think it's going to be DDR5 at up to 5600 MT/s or LPDDR5X at 7467 MT/s which gives ~120 GB/s, nothing exotic for bandwidth but pretty fast considering system DDR. Hopefully Battlemage also has more bandwidth efficiency. M2 has an impressive IGP on 100GB/s.
Intel Meteor Lake Platform Leak Reveals A Mysterious Extended Gaming Mode And Key Specs
New leaked slides provide some saucy details on Intel's first disaggregated CPU design.
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