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Intel i5 10400/10400F vs. Ryzen 3600.

Leonidas

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i5 10400 is faster in gaming
i5 10400 (14nm) uses less power than 3600 (7nm)
i5 10400 runs cooler on Intel's piddly stock cooler vs. 3600 and it's relatively beefy stock cooler

Intel is faster and more efficient in gaming. This is something I've known and have been saying since Zen2 launch.
 

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So i guess i will stick to intel for my upcoming build near the end of this year? Oh well
 
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So i guess i will stick to intel for my upcoming build near the end of this year? Oh well

Ive been historically Intel, never owned AMD but at least looking. I think Leonidas brings good points for today, but next gen Ryzen will of course bring new comparisons, and that is supposed to come out in Fall? Not sure exactly when.
 

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So i guess i will stick to intel for my upcoming build near the end of this year? Oh well
This isn't exactly news.

Ryzen was impressive because it out performed intel in other stuff besides gaming and still managed to be competitive. But intel has always been better for pure gaming. Especially on the high end.
 

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Ive been historically Intel, never owned AMD but at least looking. I think Leonidas brings good points for today, but next gen Ryzen will of course bring new comparisons, and that is supposed to come out in Fall? Not sure exactly when.
I was about to go camp AMD actually. Heard so many positive things about it. Picked the 3950x but then i heard about ryzen4. I just want a CPU that will last me as long as my second gen i7 did.
Oh and also waiting for the 30XX series.. was planning to build my pc 6 months ago.. oh well

We definitely have AMD to thank for forcing Intel to lower their prices and enable hyperthreading on their lower end CPUs. Will be interested to revisit this thread at the end of the year.
if only they did the same for GPU's sick and tired of those insane team green pricing.
 
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This guy also apparently found that spectre and meltdown mitigations made a difference in gaming :pie_thinking:

No disrespect to him but I'm going to wait for others to work their way down to the 10400 chips. GN & AT, particularly.
 
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Ive been historically Intel, never owned AMD but at least looking. I think Leonidas brings good points for today, but next gen Ryzen will of course bring new comparisons, and that is supposed to come out in Fall? Not sure exactly when.
I just bought an x570 mobo and have been planning on going with the 3900x or maybe the next series of Zen 3 AMD chips. Previously, I have always had Intel CPUs.

This OP doesn't make me regret my mobo purchase, but it is good to know how they all stack up, even if I was looking for a few steps higher than 3600. It seems impressive that intel's chip draws less power than it's AMD competitor despite the larger nm process

I just want a CPU that will last me as long as my second gen i7 did.
Oh and also waiting for the 30XX series.. was planning to build my pc 6 months ago.. oh well
Sam here on both. I have about a grand set aside for an eventual 3080, just waiting for orders to go up. My 2070 Super does a good job at 1440p but I am ready to move up.

And I have been rocking an i7-4960x for the last 4 years or so, I still feel like it is more than enough for most games I play, so I might wait for Zen 3
 
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Why did you prebuy the motherboard so early?
I thought I was for sure going 3900x, saw it on sale for 400 bucks

Then read about Zen 3/4000 series coming and decided to wait a little while

I jumped the gun a little.

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I bought a nice one, though. Thanks to GHG GHG 's recommendation (I appreciate the input, for real)
 
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I thought I was for sure going 3900x, saw it on sale for 400 bucks

Then read about Zen 3/4000 series coming and decided to wait a little while

I jumped the gun a little.

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I bought a nice one, though. Thanks to GHG GHG 's recommendation (I appreciate the input, for real)
I see. Personally I try to buy everything I need in one order so that I'm not stuck with idle components for longer than necessary. I've done that before and I need to actively stop myself from doing that again lol.

The only exception is if I see a crazy ass deal. Like, it's gotta be at least 50% off or something stupid.
 
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I thought I was for sure going 3900x, saw it on sale for 400 bucks

Then read about Zen 3/4000 series coming and decided to wait a little while

I jumped the gun a little.

edit

I bought a nice one, though. Thanks to GHG GHG 's recommendation (I appreciate the input, for real)
I've pre-bought a mobo before... granted it was a top of the line Z-series intel chipset for like $40 brand new at Frys. It can be a dangerous thing if you're on intel, as it forces you to that generation pretty much, but not unsafe with AMD as made evident with the 2000, 3000, and 4000 series CPUs being compatible with certain mobos.
 

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I thought I was for sure going 3900x, saw it on sale for 400 bucks

Then read about Zen 3/4000 series coming and decided to wait a little while
You might as well just return the board at this point. No use in having a useless board for months before buying a CPU. When Zen3 launches there will be better boards than X570 (which seemed rushed with a hot chipset).
 
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Seems ok if you are building a new PC you now have more options. That is always nice.

It will be interesting to see benches all core turbo when doing non-gaming work loads that pin 12 threads to the wall for hours as a time.

also, isn’t the node process a little misleading? AMD use a bulk process these days whereas Intel still uses the conventional process. 7nm bulk is more like 10-12nm oldschool?
 

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I thought I was for sure going 3900x, saw it on sale for 400 bucks

Then read about Zen 3/4000 series coming and decided to wait a little while

I jumped the gun a little.

edit

I bought a nice one, though. Thanks to GHG GHG 's recommendation (I appreciate the input, for real)
I think we're opposites, I just bought a 3900x and RAM without a motherboard :messenger_grinning_sweat:

Waiting for the Strix 570-e to come back in stock somewhere.
 

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10400F is a good CPU, I thought about it when I decided to upgrade my platform but my final target is Ryzen 47xx so I have 3600 as a massive upgrade from 2600K and I'm completely fine. I'm interested how games designed for Zen 2 from ground up will perform in PC space.
 
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10400F is a good CPU, I thought about it when I decided to upgrade my platform but my final target is Ryzen 47xx so I have 3600 as a massive upgrade from 2600K and I'm completely fine. I'm interested how games designed for Zen 2 from ground up will perform in PC space.
I don't know if there is too much of ground up problem that would raise its head on PC. I don't know if something catering directly to the cache latency, or lack there of, that would be on a specific part like a custom chip like what is going in the consoles would emerge in desktop non-Ryzen 2 tech (AMD FX, Ryzen 1 and Intel Core) where they probably have more cache to begin with so. There aren't many instructions that would be different that a few flips of compiler options wouldn't solve when porting. Not to mention the sheer difference is Mhz will close most gaps that would happen.
 
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Ryzen 3600
+ better multithread, quite a bit (video editing etc.)
+ cheap
+ silent
+ will run on shittiest 320? 350 and B450 board (after an update)
+ boards are cheap
+ 24 pcie 4.0 lanes
+ comes with a very good fan cooler
- slightly weaker in gaming
- no igpu

10400
+ better in gaming
+ igpu
- requires decent $20 fan cooler
- out of the box bit more noisy than the 3600
- boards more expensive than ryzen
- only 16 pcie 3.0 lanes
- only 2933Mhz vs 3200 to 4400
 

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3600 is last year cpu. AMD will be releasing their 4600 in few months.
Secondly Intel boards are expensive.
 

Armorian

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3600 is last year cpu. AMD will be releasing their 4600 in few months.
Secondly Intel boards are expensive.
10400 is just i7 8700, this architecture is old but performs well in games, that's for sure. But games are designed for Intel CPU architecture for years now. This is the first time you can have exact same CPU (and probably GPU) as consoles that games are made for.

I don't know if there is too much of ground up problem that would raise its head on PC. I don't know if something catering directly to the cache latency, or lack there of, that would be on a specific part like a custom chip like what is going in the consoles would emerge in desktop non-Ryzen 2 tech (AMD FX, Ryzen 1 and Intel Core) where they probably have more cache to begin with so. There aren't many instructions that would be different that a few flips of compiler options wouldn't solve when porting. Not to mention the sheer difference is Mhz will close most gaps that would happen.
I mean most PC gamers have Intel CPUs, most games are ported from obsolete Jaguar arch. and designed to run well on Intel CPUs. Now Ryzens will be the target for games on consoles and you can have the same Ryzens on PC (with higher clocks). AMD won't be able to screw up drivers like they did with GCNs this generation :messenger_grinning_smiling: Maybe it will change nothing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Wait If you can, soon looks like there will be a 3000 refresh, and you can upgrade to 4000 if on b450, b550, x470 and x570 when they release later this year.
 
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i5 10400 is faster in gaming
i5 10400 (14nm) uses less power than 3600 (7nm)
i5 10400 runs cooler on Intel's piddly stock cooler vs. 3600 and it's relatively beefy stock cooler

Intel is faster and more efficient in gaming. This is something I've known and have been saying since Zen2 launch.
just got my toolbox from the basement- I am removing the 3600 right about now. It's time for Intel again...
 

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Ryzen 3600
+ better multithread, quite a bit (video editing etc.)
+ cheap
+ silent
+ will run on shittiest 320? 350 and B450 board (after an update)
+ boards are cheap
+ 24 pcie 4.0 lanes
+ comes with a very good fan cooler
- slightly weaker in gaming
- no igpu
- Leonidas disapproves

10400

+ better in gaming
+ igpu
+ Leonidas approves
- requires decent $20 fan cooler
- out of the box bit more noisy than the 3600
- boards more expensive than ryzen
- only 16 pcie 3.0 lanes
- only 2933Mhz vs 3200 to 4400
Fixed for you.
 

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so glad with my 3600 that i bought last year, really nice Intel is catching up.
Even 9600F was faster in many games than 3600. Intel can't catch up to AMD in anything BUT gaming.

First Rocket Lake (11 gen) benchmark:


It's weird :pie_thinking:
 
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Intel Skylake architecture (and it's derivatives) = 5 years (or more) of gaming CPU dominance.

I doubt this will ever happen again. Skylake is the GOAT Gaming CPU architecture and the 10-series is the ultimate form of Skylake.
 
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Intel Skylake architecture (and it's derivatives) = 5 years (or more) of gaming CPU dominance.

I doubt this will ever happen again. Skylake is the GOAT Gaming CPU architecture and the 10-series is the ultimate form of Skylake.
Seems really weird to Stan for a thing that only came about because the thing you don’t Stan for forced it out of them.

You sound like an ultimate hostage.
 

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Seems really weird to Stan for a thing that only came about because the thing you don’t Stan for forced it out of them.

You sound like an ultimate hostage.
I support both Intel and AMD. Even had an X470 board up till last week before they caved into demands to bring Zen3 to older boards.
 

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Intel Skylake architecture (and it's derivatives) = 5 years (or more) of gaming CPU dominance.

I doubt this will ever happen again. Skylake is the GOAT Gaming CPU architecture and the 10-series is the ultimate form of Skylake.
That's certainly a strange way to romanticize the death of tick-tock.
 
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Intel Skylake architecture (and it's derivatives) = 5 years (or more) of gaming CPU dominance.

I doubt this will ever happen again. Skylake is the GOAT Gaming CPU architecture and the 10-series is the ultimate form of Skylake.
Celebrating this is effectively celebrating the failure of both AMD and Intel. Intel's failure to bring the 10 nm process to desktop, effectively handing the process leadership to AMD. And AMD's collosal failure with the Bulldozer architecture, which meant they had to improve IPC by about 80% even to get close to Intel. AMD are lucky that Intel dropped the ball so much with 10nm.
 
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It's true, 10400 is running at Zen2-like clocks while consuming less power, running cooler and outperforming 3600 in gaming.
Celebrating this is effectively celebrating the failure of both AMD and Intel.
I'm not celebrating it, it's just insane to think an architecture will have gone 5+ years by the time it is surpassed. That makes it the GOAT to me. On Intel for the past 5 years there is no need to upgrade unless you want more cores or higher clocks. Meanwhile AMD improves perfomanace every year but still comes up short where it matters the most to a gamer like me.
A chip a year newer is better? Mind blown!
My mind will be blown if a 2020 AMD CPU beats the fastest 2019 Intel CPU in gaming.
 
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It's true, 10400 is running at Zen2-like clocks while consuming less power, running cooler and outperforming 3600 in gaming.

I'm not celebrating it, it's just insane to think an architecture will have gone 5+ years by the time it is surpassed. That makes it the GOAT to me. On Intel for the past 5 years there is no need to upgrade unless you want more cores or higher clocks. Meanwhile AMD improves perfomanace every year but still comes up short where it matters the most to a gamer like me.

My mind will be blown if a 2020 AMD CPU beats the fastest 2019 Intel CPU in gaming.
Chasing those frames on a cpu when you could just invest in a freesync or g-sync monitor seems silly.

to each their own tho
 

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Is there a general PC part comparison thread? Doing a build right now using my Trump Bucks, and was gonna get some thoughts on it.
 
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So i guess i will stick to intel for my upcoming build near the end of this year? Oh well
That depends when you buy and how well zen3 fare against those new Intel CPU s... Because am4 is done soon (i doubt there will be any further upgrade after zen3, even on 500 series motherboards because ddr5 is coming).

So upgrade to future versions on the AMD side is far from guaranteed, I would say this argument is weak at this point... So you buy the best at your price point whenever you make your purchase.
 
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Why not have both a better gaming CPU and an adatpive sync monitor?
The entire point of PC gaming’s superiority is the upgrade path is there. Throwing out a perfectly good platform chasing minute gains is equivelant to a person buying a sports car then trading it in every other year.

you can do it if that is your kink, but it certainly isn’t sustainable for most people nor is there a value to it. You just let your OCD into a space that you think is made better by some fractional gain.
 
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The entire point of PC gaming’s superiority is the upgrade path is there. Throwing out a perfectly good platform chasing minute gains is equivelant to a person buying a sports car then trading it in every other year.

you can do it if that is your kink, but it certainly isn’t sustainable for most people nor is there a value to it. You just let your OCD into a space that you think is made better by some fractional gain.
Looking online the only people I see chasing higher CPU gaming performance are those on AM4. Zen was abysmal for gaming. Zen+ was better. Zen2 is even better, but still behind in gaming where Intel was in 2017.
Anyone who bought an 8700K in 2017 still has the ability to have top tier gaming performance. Intel buyers don't generally chase yearly incremental upgrades...
 
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Looking online the only people I see chasing higher CPU gaming performance are those on AM4. Zen was abysmal for gaming. Zen+ was better. Zen2 is even better, but still behind in gaming where Intel was in 2017.
Anyone who bought an 8700K in 2017 still has the ability to have top tier gaming performance. Intel buyers don't generally chase yearly incremental upgrades...
The Zen abysmal? You are quite full of shit.
 
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Original Zen is 50-100% behind Intel in some games today. If that's not abysmal I don't know what is...
So we agree, you don’t know how to use the word. Be less vague and use less hyperbole and maybe you can do more than blame someone else not living up to your standards.