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Is Dragon Ball Z Super any good?
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Zantetsuken
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It's very hit or miss.
Davey Cakes
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I wouldn't mind watching it, but I'd probably prefer the dub. Sucks to have to wait until 2017 but I'll live. For now I'm enjoying DBZ Abridged enough for my Dragon Ball fix.
same. whis already rewinded time. i think super absolutely ends with him erasing all of the events of super.
While I would personally love that, highly doubt it will happen. It would be like spitting in the faces of fans.
Uh it's an opinion. Don't get so upset haha.
GT has the better transformations(Yes, Call me weird but SS4 is better than a red and blue color swap of SS1) , better arc/story/villain (GT starts off slow, but once the Baby arc starts it's better than anything Super has showed so far), looks better (I'm not even talking about that awful Super episode 5, Super has this ugly shiny look to it), side characters were treated better in GT, and GT has the better opening.
The only thing Super has going for it is Future Trunks.
ArchedThunder
Banned
One Piece gets great animation very often and so does PreCure (PreCure also doesn't make anywhere near as much money as One Piece and Dragon Ball). Toei also produces more anime than anyone else in an industry that is already producing far more animation than the animators can handle, so they have to spread their people around.
Super's big issues have been from the fact that Toei was obligated to make a new series and weren't given time to do preproduction so the schedule is really bad. The schedule has been steadily improving, for example by episode 39 they had only 3 weeks for animation while episode 57 had over 7 weeks. There is still a ways to go, but they are fixing the schedule the best they can and we have been getting some pretty great stuff much more often.
The "Toei is cheap" shit is annoying and uninformed, especially when you consider that they very often have 2 or more animation supervisors on an episode of Super, which is expensive and it's rather insulting the the animators that work themselves to death every day.
I did too.. but I am aware of the flaws and issues and get why people dislike it.
I like GT too but Super is waaaaaay better than GT, it isn't even close. Both the Battle of Gods arc and the current Goku Black arc is some of the best storylines in Dragonball history (though in Battle of Gods case, mostly the movie preferably but the anime version isn't that bad). Super is a product that actually expands the the Dragonball world into new heights, so there's a lot of potential there. GT on the other hand was about closure for the franchise, so the expectations for GT were a lot higher than Super which is why it ended up disappointing a lot of people when they didn't exactly do the best execution of otherwise pretty solid ideas with Baby and the Shadow Dragons.
Hellwarden
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While Super certainly isn't perfect, I also feel like it avoids a lot of the pitfalls of DBZ.
Too much focus on power levels, long fights that go nowhere, long power up/transformation scenes. The comedy is also better.
Too much focus on power levels, long fights that go nowhere, long power up/transformation scenes. The comedy is also better.
OMFG OMFG SPOILLLLLLLERS!!!!
LOL at you bitching that I ruined future trunk's "transformation." Don't you feel extremely silly now that you realize it wasn't a new transformation?
howdyjacker
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Short answer: yes.
Longer answer: yes it is. Watch it.
Longer answer: yes it is. Watch it.
lol what completely awful damage control
It's that small change... like when Trunk's hair turns yellow and stands up when he gets mad. Entirely new, you see!
"BU-BU-BU WHITE EYES!"
*Episode begins with trunk's eyes becoming un-white*
"Bu-bu-bu godly ki!"
*Trunks doesn't have said Ki in the episode*
LOL
also lol at this new "transformation" getting immediately beaten up in the episode.
"BU-BU-BU WHITE EYES!"
*Episode begins with trunk's eyes becoming un-white*
"Bu-bu-bu godly ki!"
*Trunks doesn't have said Ki in the episode*
LOL
also lol at this new "transformation" getting immediately beaten up in the episode.
MEANWHILE
The dude bitching about a screen shot of Super Saiyan trunks walking in some unknown place, at some unknown time, against some unknown enemy being an enormous, story ruining spoiler.... posts a gif of SSB Goku fighting Zamasu in the ruined future. Spoils:
-Who the real enemy is (which literally the entire arc has been about)
-That Beerus killing Zamasu in the present didn't kill him in the future
What a hippy-crate.
-Who the real enemy is (which literally the entire arc has been about)
-That Beerus killing Zamasu in the present didn't kill him in the future
What a hippy-crate.
It was not on the level of SSB, it was obviously going to get trashed
Trunks's new form is no different than Super Vegeta, or USS Trunks, or even SSJ2 New hairsryle, New aura.
USS was also trashed on it's debut, and the entire fandom considers it a transformation.
It managed to do way more to black, so it was definitely a new power
Trunks's new form is no different than Super Vegeta, or USS Trunks, or even SSJ2 New hairsryle, New aura.
USS was also trashed on it's debut, and the entire fandom considers it a transformation.
It managed to do way more to black, so it was definitely a new power
You mean other transformations never recognized in the show as a "new transformation" that only exist as fan names? Yes, it's exactly like that - a fan invention. It's not anything new in the show.
buddy it's a new form you can stop being like this
ArchedThunder
Banned
No he does't, lol. He has no aura when fighting.
And his hair is exactly the same.
And his hair is exactly the same.
Nice spoilers though, buddy.
he was not this silly in Z. not even close. no matter what language you watch it in.
HammerFace
Banned
Except for the blue aura surrounded by yellow that he kept showing off during the fight at the start of the episode
No need to act like a dick.
Not the most flattering shots for OP, but they get the point across.
Funnily enough, Goku is one of the things I dislike about Super.
Unknown One
Member
Nope, it doesn't even come close to DB/DBZ.
Icyflamez96
Member
No it doesn't. he cherry picked an off-model screenshot. For example, this is the last shot of the previous episode (the one called a spoiler):
Link!
ZOMG BANGS!
Watching your guys freak out over nothing has been ridiculous, especially since the guy who started bitching about spoilers still has an incredibly huge spoiler in his post.
Because he doesn't have a new hair style or aura
Nor does the "transformation" actually do anything
And, besides, Goku himself in the episode said it was nothing more than "an explosion of anger from trunks"
Nor does the "transformation" actually do anything
And, besides, Goku himself in the episode said it was nothing more than "an explosion of anger from trunks"
NeonZ
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No aura at times when fighting doesn't have to do with anything. SSJ Blue also ends up without auras at times.
Every time Trunks showed an aura in the new episode it was the same new aura yellow with white background and blue aura around his body, rather than the old transparent yellow aura. So, it wasn't just a random effect they threw at the end of the episode.
And his hairstyle is different.
And his hairstyle is different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOe5f7LW5s
He still has two thick bangs falling on the sides of his face.
In the new form, everything is going up (or at least just to the sides).
You're so funny. For a moment I thought you were serious.
Wait, you realize from where you got that image, right?
nice, dude.
NeonZ
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Fixed my post. Anyway, like I said above, you seem to have mixed up your picture. What you're showing there is SSJ2 Trunks from many weeks ago when he showed the form to Goku. See my link. The last shot of
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/NeonZ/Dragonball/Dragonball_S_ep62_01_zpsv2zgdwg0.jpg
Trunks' new form in the last episode was this one
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/NeonZ/Dragonball/Dragonball_S_ep62_01_zpsv2zgdwg0.jpg
Same thick aura blocking the background (as opposed to the visible clouds in your picture), same upwards/sideway bangs. It's the design of the new form shown consistently in the new episode, not an "off model" shot. Also, an explosion of anger wouldn't last half a day. He's still using the same form in the preview.
RecRoulette
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Now I'm just confused as to whether Super is trash or if there's a really weird pro-GT movement here.
CherryWoodFuton
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I think Super does things that are better than DBZ (pacing wise) and Zamasu/Black arc is up there behind Freeza and Saiyan arc but yea animation wise could be better and retelling the two movies kinds sucked outside of a few details added.
Champa arc was meh except for that SSB Kaoiken (that was hype af).
I have a strong hatred for GT so I can't compare objectively between that and Super.
Champa arc was meh except for that SSB Kaoiken (that was hype af).
I have a strong hatred for GT so I can't compare objectively between that and Super.
ArchedThunder
Banned
It just depends on people's tastes.
Yet it doesn't change the fact their animation is just not up to par. Even with One Piece having a 2+min intro and 8 min replay of the last ep the animation for OP these past several years has been mediocre. You can look at another busy studio like TMS who also works with western studios put out better looking series. Even their long running series Detective Conan has consistent good animation. TMS Saint Seiya Canvas was incredible but when Toei got to make Saint Seiya Omega series a few years back it was fucking terrible. Toei is known for poor quality by people for a good reason, their like Gonzo studio at this point. Watching Sailor Moon remake was a good laugh, awful.
Budgets and schedules I guess. It is what it is and hopefully DBS gets what it deserves over time. I'd love DBS to have top of the line animation for this day and age
It's the nostalgia syndrome, no matter how bad something was when I was a kid, at least is not that icky new stuff that looks like fanfiction!!. (When in reality you're just older and more critical)
See: Old STAR WARS EU, Pokemon Generations, Zelda, Final Fantasy, and specially American Cartoons in general.
GuessMyUserName
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Super has its problems, buuuut this current arc, while still flawed, is is definitely miles and miles ahead of the rest of the show.
Beerus and Whis and really cool characters to the series so I've been enjoying the introduction of Gods. RoF saga... I'm always going to dreadfully despise, but hey I will say the show version was greatly improved from the movie. But yeah it's hard to really fix it into something good.
Tournament was... alright. I liked some things about it and seeing people other than Goku doing things is great, particularly Piccolo wooo, buuut... well without spoiling I'll just say the ways events concluded were really frustrating which made it all very throwaway. Also they ruined Hit who IS a pretty cool character personality-wise, by giving him the most ridiculously annoying ability imaginable and now I don't even wanna see him ever again. But on the bright side Goku was at his absolute coolest in that fight.
This new arc though has been really exciting, and is really the first time I'm dying to find out what's happening next throughout watching. It's not perfect but I'm happy with this level... just give more relevancy to other characters after this dammit.
Beerus and Whis and really cool characters to the series so I've been enjoying the introduction of Gods. RoF saga... I'm always going to dreadfully despise, but hey I will say the show version was greatly improved from the movie. But yeah it's hard to really fix it into something good.
Tournament was... alright. I liked some things about it and seeing people other than Goku doing things is great, particularly Piccolo wooo, buuut... well without spoiling I'll just say the ways events concluded were really frustrating which made it all very throwaway. Also they ruined Hit who IS a pretty cool character personality-wise, by giving him the most ridiculously annoying ability imaginable and now I don't even wanna see him ever again. But on the bright side Goku was at his absolute coolest in that fight.
This new arc though has been really exciting, and is really the first time I'm dying to find out what's happening next throughout watching. It's not perfect but I'm happy with this level... just give more relevancy to other characters after this dammit.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Super has some very rough spots but, overall it's extremely enjoyable with the actual new material after the movie retellings.
It also does a very good job of expanding the lore and feels more like a better mix of Z and DB than GT ever did. Which had a few good ideas but never really capitalized on them and didn't know what it wanted to be.
I definitely recommend giving it a watch when the dub eventually comes out in 2017 and see for yourself if it's right for you.
It also does a very good job of expanding the lore and feels more like a better mix of Z and DB than GT ever did. Which had a few good ideas but never really capitalized on them and didn't know what it wanted to be.
I definitely recommend giving it a watch when the dub eventually comes out in 2017 and see for yourself if it's right for you.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Ppl liking super is the nostalgia system for more Dragonball
Disclaimer:this is stupid people like different things
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
It absolutely is good.
Towards the end of Z things were starting to go a little off the rails. The Buu arc started off strongly and added in some very cool world building, but suffered from arbitrary, unexplained transformations, lack of focus, a villain that gradually lost his personality as he transformed, etc. Super does a lot of things right that DB/early Z already had down, and some even better:
-Transformations have story to them again, as well as a bit of nuance compared to SS1/2/3/4. Super Saiyan God has its own legend behind it and has a very sound explanation to how it is achieved, and Super Saiyan Blue is a direct product of training with a certain individual. Even if Blue is achieved off-screen, its existence is far more justified than Goten/Trunks' SS transformations in the Buu arc, and about the same as Goku's off-screen SS3 achievement. There is another brand new transformation that we know nothing about right now that falls back into the unexplained category... for now, but for the most part I like the way they've been handled in Super.
-The villains are MUCH more nuanced and better written than Cell or Buu, who were walking, talking power levels to overcome. Beerus, Champa, Hit, and Black all have something to them that goes beyond being powerful, and Hit especially has a fighting style that harkens back to the earlier DB days, when characters had specialized movesets beyond beam waves and fistfighting.
-The series respects its own world, and its own canon (outside of a particular character's hair color). There are constant callbacks and references to earlier events in the series, and they never feel like mere appeals to the viewer's nostalgia. Slight spoiler:
. There is also ample foreshadowing to future events, which is something DB/Z almost NEVER did, haha. "Toriyama forgot" (I.E., the series often forgets side characters and past events) no longer applies.
It does have some cons:
-The animation is very hit or miss, with some great looking episodes and some horrible looking episodes.
-The color palette is different, and much brighter, than DB/Z/GT.
-Gohan does nothing so far.
-The movie recaps are kind of pointless when the movies exist, making the "real" Super start at episode 26.
-Sometimes the writing can get a bit sloppy. Future Trunks having blue hair and little Trunks having purple hair are one example of this, as is the current villain's backstory.
Overall, it's a very solid continuation of the series. Highly recommended.
Towards the end of Z things were starting to go a little off the rails. The Buu arc started off strongly and added in some very cool world building, but suffered from arbitrary, unexplained transformations, lack of focus, a villain that gradually lost his personality as he transformed, etc. Super does a lot of things right that DB/early Z already had down, and some even better:
-Transformations have story to them again, as well as a bit of nuance compared to SS1/2/3/4. Super Saiyan God has its own legend behind it and has a very sound explanation to how it is achieved, and Super Saiyan Blue is a direct product of training with a certain individual. Even if Blue is achieved off-screen, its existence is far more justified than Goten/Trunks' SS transformations in the Buu arc, and about the same as Goku's off-screen SS3 achievement. There is another brand new transformation that we know nothing about right now that falls back into the unexplained category... for now, but for the most part I like the way they've been handled in Super.
-The villains are MUCH more nuanced and better written than Cell or Buu, who were walking, talking power levels to overcome. Beerus, Champa, Hit, and Black all have something to them that goes beyond being powerful, and Hit especially has a fighting style that harkens back to the earlier DB days, when characters had specialized movesets beyond beam waves and fistfighting.
-The series respects its own world, and its own canon (outside of a particular character's hair color). There are constant callbacks and references to earlier events in the series, and they never feel like mere appeals to the viewer's nostalgia. Slight spoiler:
some examples would be Vegeta explaining the history of the Saiyan race when we're introduced to Cabba, and the additional Gods/multiverses being a natural extension of the gradual world building we've seen in the series until now
It does have some cons:
-The animation is very hit or miss, with some great looking episodes and some horrible looking episodes.
-The color palette is different, and much brighter, than DB/Z/GT.
-Gohan does nothing so far.
-The movie recaps are kind of pointless when the movies exist, making the "real" Super start at episode 26.
-Sometimes the writing can get a bit sloppy. Future Trunks having blue hair and little Trunks having purple hair are one example of this, as is the current villain's backstory.
Overall, it's a very solid continuation of the series. Highly recommended.
Mediking
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Yes. The new arc is pretty good.
Just look at this badass. Best villain so far.
Vegeta's face... Goku's hair.
Astral Dog
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