I thought Sony actually outright bought the IP?
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Is "Everybody's going to the Rapture" similar to the Tomb Raider X1 deal? Uh no
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I thought Sony actually outright bought the IP?
licktheenvelope
Member
The Chinese Room couldn't raise enough money to keep it independent.
GarciaHotspur
Member
Have you seen a Microsoft Studios logo in the last teaser ?
I suppose one could argue - did they even try to do so?
Opinionatedfish
Member
It's already been stated here a lot that the two instances are completely different.
That said, I love the name "Everybody's going to the Rapture" and I will eventually get a PS4 to play that, amongst other games. The only thing about it is that I always want to follow it with "
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That said, I love the name "Everybody's going to the Rapture" and I will eventually get a PS4 to play that, amongst other games. The only thing about it is that I always want to follow it with "
and Lamb is watching.
travisbickle
Member
Can we use this thread to actually find a similar example?
Would Nintendo and RE4 be similar? I don't know the details but were they delaying the Playstation release?
Would Nintendo and RE4 be similar? I don't know the details but were they delaying the Playstation release?
haha
what
DoubleTake
Member
How many times are we going to go through this?? NO.
The mental gymnastic that is going on to justified the dick move from MS is mind-boggling. No it is not the same nor is some deal 20 years ago for the PS1 a Sony Too argument.. MS only accomplishment was to prevent other versions of a AAA multiplatform game. Nothing more nothing less.
They are similar in that both games were announced for other platforms and then ended up being exclusive after money in some form changed hands, but there are also a heck more differences.
The Tomb Raider deal is probably objectively worse, as it's a pure moneyhat given to a large company that honestly has no need for the money other than to improve their profit margins. Personally though the EGTTR deal seems worse, because Tomb Raider is just a timed exclusive and as a PC gamer I've stopped caring long ago about whether games come out at the same time as long as they come out eventually, but all indications is that EGTTR truly became exclusive.
The Tomb Raider deal is probably objectively worse, as it's a pure moneyhat given to a large company that honestly has no need for the money other than to improve their profit margins. Personally though the EGTTR deal seems worse, because Tomb Raider is just a timed exclusive and as a PC gamer I've stopped caring long ago about whether games come out at the same time as long as they come out eventually, but all indications is that EGTTR truly became exclusive.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Is this a case of trying to invent a 'Sony Too!' situation?
They're not remotely similar, mainly because The Chinese Room are a proper indie developer and didn't at the time have one of the biggest Japanese publishers funding them. They approached Sony and gave up the IP in exchange for funding and co-development with SSM.
They're not remotely similar, mainly because The Chinese Room are a proper indie developer and didn't at the time have one of the biggest Japanese publishers funding them. They approached Sony and gave up the IP in exchange for funding and co-development with SSM.
Damn, reading through the comments let's me loose faith in gamers once again. People wishing the game(makers) to fail etc just because it's coming only to PS4 for now.
Oh christ i remember that thread now...you gotta learn to let go op.
No, Capcom and Nintendo had an agreement for several exclusive games beforehand. It seems it was Capcom that later pushed for a PS2 port which required extensive re-coding but was likely seen as a worthy investment due to the PS2's enormous install base. No delay on a PS2 version.
OT: no, they're not similar, CD didn't need development help, SE doesn't need publishing help.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
How can it be 1st party, if Chinese Room isn't owned by Sony though?
Doesn't the developer have to be one of Sony's own developer for that to be the case.
I thought titles published by one of the big hardware developers from an outside source were considered 2nd party.
Don't mean to get into a semantics argument, but that is how it works isn't it?
Nightengale
Member
I'm joking.
Because few days ago, MS was listed as the publisher on the website, but it was an error, MS was 'not the publisher', but SE was not listed as the publisher, first Phil Spencer said no comment on the statement, no comment on it coming to 360, and then in a different interview he said there was a duration and it's coming to 360 too, and now he's saying that there's a publishing deal with SE similar to DR3.
At how fast they're changing and adding new narratives to the TR situation, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Spencer named himself co-director of Tomb Raider next month.
krypt0nian
Banned
It's wholly entertaining though. I mean once the stench of desperation has been Febreezed away.
EmptySpace
Banned
the game is first party. period.
no such thing as 2nd party.with devs or with pubs in the real world. either a game is first party or.third party. rapture is a 1st party game because it will be published by sony.
.DidntKnowJack
Member
I maintain that this game will eventually appear on PC. There have been games in the past where Sony stepped in to help (usually with financial backing) and they didn't prevent them from eventually going to other platforms. I'm speaking specifically of the Pub Fund games like Guacamelee which eventually went on to just about every platform, Dyad - which went to PC, and SportsFriends - again PC.
I realize rapture's a little different as Sony's also getting their hands into the development side of things, but hopefully they'll let thechioneseroom make as much money with this title as they can and let them come out on PC as well. Hopefully.
I realize rapture's a little different as Sony's also getting their hands into the development side of things, but hopefully they'll let thechioneseroom make as much money with this title as they can and let them come out on PC as well. Hopefully.
Nightengale
Member
2nd-party is a defunct term that no one at Sony/MS uses anymore.
Their terminology nowadays : "We fund it, it's first-party, doesn't matter who the developer is."
So basically we've got:
1st-party games developed by internal team
1st-party games developed by external team
That's how things are defined these days.
Chinese Room + Sony Santa Monica
EmptySpace
Banned
to be clear, games are either 1st party or 3rd party.
devs can be internal or external.
rapture is a 1st party game developed by an external studio. don't bundle games and studios as "one party".
same thing with ratchet and clank. first party game developed by a 3rd party studio.
devs can be internal or external.
rapture is a 1st party game developed by an external studio. don't bundle games and studios as "one party".
same thing with ratchet and clank. first party game developed by a 3rd party studio.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
lol OP you answered your own question in your own post. If it isn't clear by now the answer is no.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
He's joking. Change all the EGTTR to TR and you'll see what he did.
This post needs more love.
Cave Johnson
Member
You should make direct comparisons comparing both bullet points and you would immediately see where this equivalency is entirely false.
Try to imagine right now booting this game from a PC/X1 and observing the "Sony Santa Monica" logo.
alexandros
Banned
So that is enough? Microsoft said that it's helping with the development of Tomb Raider.
licktheenvelope
Member
Chinese Room was going to develop it independently and had a deal with Sony to be on PS4 and not Xbox One because (at the time) Microsoft still wouldn't let indies self publish, meaning Microsoft would take a big chunk of anything CR sold.
Chinese Room then realized they weren't going to be able to finish the game (though I don't know the details of their financing) and asked Sony to co-develop it.
Now Sony is co-developing the game and Sony Santa Monica is doing a bunch of the heavy lifting.
It essentially turned into something like what Microsoft did with Insomniac for Sunset Overdrive.
licktheenvelope
Member
As has been mentioned the console makers always help "develop" every 3rd party game.
The difference is EGTTR would not exist without Sony, Rise of Tomb Raider would exist regardless of coming out on Xbox first.
They have nothing whatsoever in common, one is a timed third party exclusive, one is owned and published by a first party.
alexandros
Banned
That isn't true, at least according to the developers. It did exist for at least a year as a PC game and they didn't try to secure funding through other ways before going exclusive.
Never knew EGTTR was released for a year prior to the exclusive announcement and what does the bolded have to do with anything?
alexandros
Banned
Rise of the Tomb Raider has also not be released, let's not get silly here. And the second part questions the statement that the game wouldn't exist without Sony.
shacklesmcgee
Member
licktheenvelope
Member
....
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/08/22/dear-esther-devs-rapture-no-longer-coming-to-pc/
The Chinese Room is a tiny indie studio... not Square freaking Enix.
You're being obtuse. Rapture, the game it will be, wouldn't exist without Sony. The game TR2 will be would exist without MS.
alexandros
Banned
It was in development. Come on guys, not that hard to understand.
And then they ran into financial troubles.
alexandros
Banned
How do you know that? Seriously, how? How do you know that Rise of The Tomb Raider would be the same game without Microsoft's money?
Kagari said so? The previous game made a profit? CRYSTAL DYNAMICS ISN'T A SMALL INDIE STUDIO?
licktheenvelope
Member
Because most of the game is already done. It's the same engine as the last Tomb Raider...
shacklesmcgee
Member
Well, it wouldn't be the same game without MS' money. It would also have come out for two other platforms.
Triggerhappytel
Member
While I agree that would be the sensible thing to do, Rapture is different to those Pub Fund games because Sony owns the trademark, and they don't have any presence on PC outside of SOE.
CerebralTiger
Member
This isn't a Pub Fund game, though. Previous cases tell us that any game that had Sony Santa Monica's involvement never ended up on another platform. Examples: Journey, The Unfinished Swan. Based on that, the chances of Everybody's Gone to the Rapture going to PC are next to none.