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[Topher]

I think intent can be a component of this too. Veilguard is a good example of this. That game reflected the values of the people who worked on it. That's why we ended up with, for example, a widely circulated video where a trans man lavished praise on the game for such things as top scars in the character creator. On the flip side, fans of the series got a game that failed in every possible way (story, characters, world building, etc.) - it was basically Dragon Age in name only.

So, on top of lacking talent in some cases, there's also times when talent is there (some of the writers for Veilguard had significant successes in the past) but it's not used to make a game that will appeal to fans or even create a good/great game. It's used to impose their values and interests - no matter if it suits the game or not. It's a kind of myopic selfishness that, personally, I'm just beyond tired of seeing. It also has consequences too - failed games, lay offs, and in some cases, like Dragon Age, I wouldn't be surprised if the IP is now permanently shelved.

Agree 100%. Veilguard was by far the most egregious offender in this regard. The trans game director used the game as a soap box to preach his agenda to the world. And EA let him. It was a travesty.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I get the complaint about threads.

But maybe you should be more upset at the retards making the games?

 

[Dacvak]

I vote that we just have one "woke slop |OT|" thread where everyone can just discuss any new game in there and keep it all in one place.

 

[PeteBull]

I won't suggest anyone to post or not post something. I can simply ignore the topic.

That said, I do not believe some of the games we think are woke, are really woke.

We are tilting and windmills, a lot.

When in doubt i encourage u do to some simple though experiment, would such a game/movie/overall enteirtainment product be launched in the 80s and 90s, if yes we know game isnt woke, if 80s/90s crowd would find it weird/clownworld, there is very high chance game is pandering/pushing woke agenda.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

or just have one mega thread to put all woke slop commentary in, we really don't need a new thread every time a game is about to come out and/or a trailer releases -_-

This. Clogging the forum with woke slop threads is getting old.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

"Gayming".

Yeah, they are taking the piss out of the hobby. They never cared about it, they only wanted to insert themselves and their agenda into it, like in every other hobby.

This is what happens when you are more worried about being called an "ist" by a bunch of mentally ill people and agenda pushers. Did you make sure that you established you are not?



Making "woke slop" threads isn't going to change anything. Instead you should have gatekept more. Made them feel unwelcome before they could spread. Now it's terminal.

We didn't gatekeep enough with Sarkeesian. Now look. The parasite is still ficking here infesting studios like it's still 2013. And that's not including all the other damage the tapeworm managed to do in the decade in-between.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Slop is slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Slop-a-bop-bop-bop, slop (na-na, na, na-na)

 

[Boss Mog]

That's really interesting....do we also complain about this one then?

Or do we just stick with OP and highlight the black, lgbt, and female-focused events for maximum ragebait?

Shouldn't you be asking the OP this question instead? But regardless, it seems like another bad faith attempt to "gotcha" me. First off when, I said Asian, it's pretty obvious I meant East Asian (Japan, South Korea and China). Southeast Asia does not refer to those countries, it's more Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc... and so maybe I would include this event as detrimental, but I don't know enough about the game devs in those countries and if they push cultural and political propaganda in their games.

What I do know, is that the devs who promote their games through black, lgbt or women only events do have clear agendas they want to push that don't align with what I and many others consider quality gaming. East Asian studios, don't promote east asians in particular in their games, they don't shove "progressive" ideology down your throat and they don't put ugly women everywhere. They also don't hire devs based on identity politics, they just pick the best ones which allows for good character designs, good story, good graphics and good gameplay.

 

[yurinka]

Is it time to start giving people a break for starting woke slop threads?

I'm deadly serious here.

There are too much agenda-driven showcases that push certain titles just because they're made by groups that are somewhat still marked as "marginalized".

In the meantime, AA and indie titles made by developers that don't fall under these categories will probably be pushed aside.

What is it time to start giving people a break from woke slop games and events, plus from turning woke classic studios and IPs, or to stop getting certain classic IPs or getting gaming icon characters removed/replaced because of wokism.

 

[zokie]

"Silence is the deadliest of all weapons."
(often used in discussions about speaking up)

if you do not speak up , this woke games will continue to flood the industry even more

 

[samoilaaa]

Disgusting, for real. When will the industry return to normal?

when people will stop buying their games sooo never

naughty dog game will be woke and will still have 10+ million copies sold

wolverine will be woke and will still have 10+ million copies sold

larian next game will be woke and will still have 10+ million copies sold

etc.

Sure there are games that are woke but are good ( some very good actually ) but i would rather not buy the game even if it ticks all the boxes , for example baldur's gate 3 is a great rpg with alot of freedom and choice/consequence but i pirated it and i will pirate their next game too until i see them stop celebrating lgbtq stuff and start using male/female at character creation

 

[dDoc]

Yes, the only way corporations will change is if they feel their pocket hurt.

Seems this does happen of late. Hopefully it brings the change we desire.

 

[ahtlas7]

You have my support. But just use declaratives (joking) though. Everyone, including those who argue contrarily, know those games are woke slop (obviously not always)

 

[Boss Mog]

To get back on topic, with all the woke slop games there are these days, I could see how creting a thread for each one would clutter the gaming section. I would be in favor of having Gonzito create a single "Is it another woke slop?" master thread and keep all woke slop discussion there.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

I give my opinion on all the topics that are started.

If most of the topics focus on the "woke" theme, it's more obvious that I'll participate.

But just as you constantly denounce woke games (well, the woke games you don't like, because your double standards are legendary),

I'm making the appropriate complaint that this is becoming a recurring and tiresome topic.

It's refreshing to me to see so many woke slop threads. People finally have had it to the point nobody is holding back anymore.

Instead of complaining about these threads you should complain about the developers still forcing this garbage into their games.

 

[Topher]

You have my support. But just use declaratives though. Everyone, including those who argue contrarily, know those games are woke slop.

It's subjective. I can point to something in a game and say that thing is "woke" but doesn't necessarily that make the entire game "woke slop". Doesn't for me anyway and last time I checked the only person who speaks for me is me. So declaring something doesn't necessarily make it so.

 

[March Climber]

"Silence is the deadliest of all weapons."
(often used in discussions about speaking up)

if you do not speak up , this woke games will continue to flood the industry even more

Yes, the only way corporations will change is if they feel their pocket hurt.

People finally have had it to the point nobody is holding back anymore.

Can someone explain how doing this specifically on GAF will send a message?

Wouldn't Twitter be more effective at reaching who you want to reach?

 

[poodaddy]

I'm with Gonzito on this.

Who owns the machinery behind the curtain? The machine will sell you visibility while keeping ownership. The machine will put your face on the poster while keeping its hand in your pocket. If Black people are creating games, financing games, controlling studios, teaching coding to all youths, and building economic strength from it, then that's cool. But if all we become are mascots inside somebody else's empire, then we are mistaking the appearance of inclusion for the reality of liberation.

Fuckin great post here.

 

[poodaddy]

In coming Rant!!

I'm gonna say something that'll probably piss off some people in the American LGBTQ+ community: stop anchoring to the Civil Rights Movement. Not every civil-rights issue is identical.

A huge part of the issue was black people being prevented from building and maintaining economic, political, and social power in the first place. It wasn't about exclusion from existing institutions, it was active suppression of our ability to build our own. The voting rights act had a similar reason for its existence. Which many people could reasonably argue was not only an imperfect patch for a systemic problem, but may no longer be necessary in the way it once was, much like the debate surrounding affirmative action.

I'm not saying the LGBTQ+ community doesn't face discrimination. I'm saying the nature, history, and scale of the discrimination isn't directly comparable.

Build your own sports communities, gaming communities, and institutions. If society starts actively preventing you from building and sustaining those independently, then I'd have no issue with comparisons to the Civil Rights Movement.

Competition is healthy in every industry. Get out there and compete, but don't expect your competitors to hand you a seat at their table. What you should expect is for everyone to be held to the same standards under U.S. law, and for those laws not to be weaponized to suppress competition.

Similar to Gonzito, I'm tired of the lazy, poorly executed "representation" in games where the characters feel generic, don't fit the lore, add nothing meaningful to the story, and the game itself is lacking substantial amounts of game mechanics (looking at you Mixtape! fuck outta here with yo bitch ass). Most of it comes across less like creativity and more like corporate pandering. Honestly, if these communities made their own games instead of relying on studios to market to them, I'd probably support and buy them. At the end of the day, I'll play a good game.

For example I enjoyed Celeste (Trans leadership), Aerial Knight's Never Yield (Black developer) and even Coffee talk ( damn there worshipped in LGBTQ+ gaming space) albeit over a strong glass of scotch.


End Rant

Damn, another incredible post, and a scotch enthusiast at that?

Blessed be this fine poster's hallowed name.

 

[poodaddy]

After the second woke slop thread, I blocked Gonzito and everything looks fine and dandy. Calling people daddy is too gay, no matter the language, imo. That and the stretch to "find the woke" game he was playing.

 

[PeteBull]

Can someone explain how doing this specifically on GAF will send a message?

Wouldn't Twitter be more effective at reaching who you want to reach?

Gaf is last gaming forum where u can point it out/discuss, ppl like myself barely use twitter(in my case i only used it recently once after few months to vote in a poll).

There is reddit where all this talk is banned, same on retardera, so if we cant say anything on gaf its likely gonna surprise ppl when they buy games only, and there are many games with proper based sequels that do a turn around into wokeness, to not look far and only mention juggernauts- tlou2, spiderman2, tons of ppl got deceived and bought them only to realise they got bamboozled.

U need to remember most gaming sites(including almost all of social media) are either leftists by design or/and on top do publishers bidding, so basically gaf is that one and only rebel child that doesnt listen to the overlords and keeps its morals.

 

[poodaddy]

Can someone explain how doing this specifically on GAF will send a message?

Wouldn't Twitter be more effective at reaching who you want to reach?

So you're saying to contain most criticism that happens to be anti establishment/anti far left to a right leaning platform where none of the people who can affect real change will ever see said criticism?

Yeah, that'll move the needle.

 

[ahtlas7]

It's subjective. I can point to something in a game and say that thing is "woke" but doesn't necessarily that make the entire game "woke slop". Doesn't for me anyway and last time I checked the only person who speaks for me is me. So declaring something doesn't necessarily make it so.

Chill. No one is speaking for anyone else.
Gonzito's post was humorous and my reply was done with humor though I see I need to work on my act.

 

[Topher]

Chill. No one is speaking for anyone else.
Gonzito's post was humorous and my reply was done with humor though I see I need to work on my act.

No worries. I wasn't mad. Clearly the joke went over my head though. All good

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The woke slop is everywhere. It's all around us, even now, in Gaff.

There's no escape.

 

[Gonzito]

After the second woke slop thread, I blocked Gonzito and everything looks fine and dandy. Calling people daddy is too gay, no matter the language, imo. That and the stretch to "find the woke" game he was playing.

Come here papito

 

[xrnzaaas]

Gaf is last gaming forum where u can point it out/discuss, ppl like myself barely use twitter(in my case i only used it recently once after few months to vote in a poll).

There is reddit where all this talk is banned, same on retardera, so if we cant say anything on gaf its likely gonna surprise ppl when they buy games only, and there are many games with proper based sequels that do a turn around into wokeness, to not look far and only mention juggernauts- tlou2, spiderman2, tons of ppl got deceived and bought them only to realise they got bamboozled.

U need to remember most gaming sites(including almost all of social media) are either leftists by design or/and on top do publishers bidding, so basically gaf is that one and only rebel child that doesnt listen to the overlords and keeps its morals.

It's like that with everything, not only video games. Try saying something that the left side doesn't like (even in a polite way) and a quick ban to shut you up is usually what you can count on. Try attacking the right side (or laugh about how their politician got assassinated in public) and you'll be getting thumbs up.

I certainly hope that GAF won't change ownership anytime soon and will continue allow to people to speak up about things like seeing their favorite hobby getting destroyed by people who don't want to just provide good entertainment.

 

[March Climber]

So you're saying to contain most criticism that happens to be anti establishment/anti far left to a right leaning platform where none of the people who can affect real change will ever see said criticism?

Yeah, that'll move the needle.

Gaf is last gaming forum where u can point it out/discuss, ppl like myself barely use twitter(in my case i only used it recently once after few months to vote in a poll).

(snip)… gaf is that one and only rebel child that doesnt listen to the overlords and keeps its morals.

So what's the strategy? Because the amount of devs who go to GAF have significantly lowered since the 2010s.

What steps do you guys take to move the needle?

 

[poodaddy]

So what's the strategy? Because the amount of devs who go to GAF have significantly lowered since the 2010s.

What steps do you guys take to move the needle?

Let the only vote that has ever counted continue to count: the dollar.

Money will go where it will, and the market will decide. It always does.

 

[Topher]

Let the only vote that has ever counted continue to count: the dollar.

Money will go where it will, and the market will decide. It always does.

That's the bottom line. And generally speaking, most games that folks say are woke and fail, fail because they are usually just not very good games in the first place. Like Veilguard, game was shit even without the trans propaganda and it flopped

 

[uncreativename]

Yeah I don't think the Bluesky people are reading Neogaf. So the way I see it anyway the point of those threads is to try to between us figure out what the facts are about a game, so that we can all make informed buying decisions. If that affects whether devs keep on making bad decisions in some small way, hey that's a bonus.