Topher
Identifies as young
Agree 100%. Veilguard was by far the most egregious offender in this regard. The trans game director used the game as a soap box to preach his agenda to the world. And EA let him. It was a travesty.
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Is it time to start giving people a break for starting woke slop threads?
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Agree 100%. Veilguard was by far the most egregious offender in this regard. The trans game director used the game as a soap box to preach his agenda to the world. And EA let him. It was a travesty.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I get the complaint about threads.
But maybe you should be more upset at the retards making the games?
But maybe you should be more upset at the retards making the games?
PeteBull
Gold Member
When in doubt i encourage u do to some simple though experiment, would such a game/movie/overall enteirtainment product be launched in the 80s and 90s, if yes we know game isnt woke, if 80s/90s crowd would find it weird/clownworld, there is very high chance game is pandering/pushing woke agenda.I won't suggest anyone to post or not post something. I can simply ignore the topic.
That said, I do not believe some of the games we think are woke, are really woke.
We are tilting and windmills, a lot.
hououinkyouma00
Member
This. Clogging the forum with woke slop threads is getting old.
KanKamAndNob
Member
We didn't gatekeep enough with Sarkeesian. Now look. The parasite is still ficking here infesting studios like it's still 2013. And that's not including all the other damage the tapeworm managed to do in the decade in-between.
Bonfires Down
Gold Member
Slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Slop is slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Slop-a-bop-bop-bop, slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Slop is slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Slop-a-bop-bop-bop, slop (na-na, na, na-na)
Boss Mog
Member
Shouldn't you be asking the OP this question instead? But regardless, it seems like another bad faith attempt to "gotcha" me. First off when, I said Asian, it's pretty obvious I meant East Asian (Japan, South Korea and China). Southeast Asia does not refer to those countries, it's more Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc... and so maybe I would include this event as detrimental, but I don't know enough about the game devs in those countries and if they push cultural and political propaganda in their games.That's really interesting....do we also complain about this one then?
Or do we just stick with OP and highlight the black, lgbt, and female-focused events for maximum ragebait?
What I do know, is that the devs who promote their games through black, lgbt or women only events do have clear agendas they want to push that don't align with what I and many others consider quality gaming. East Asian studios, don't promote east asians in particular in their games, they don't shove "progressive" ideology down your throat and they don't put ugly women everywhere. They also don't hire devs based on identity politics, they just pick the best ones which allows for good character designs, good story, good graphics and good gameplay.
yurinka
Member
What is it time to start giving people a break from woke slop games and events, plus from turning woke classic studios and IPs, or to stop getting certain classic IPs or getting gaming icon characters removed/replaced because of wokism.Is it time to start giving people a break for starting woke slop threads?
I'm deadly serious here.
There are too much agenda-driven showcases that push certain titles just because they're made by groups that are somewhat still marked as "marginalized".
In the meantime, AA and indie titles made by developers that don't fall under these categories will probably be pushed aside.
samoilaaa
Member
when people will stop buying their games sooo never
naughty dog game will be woke and will still have 10+ million copies sold
wolverine will be woke and will still have 10+ million copies sold
larian next game will be woke and will still have 10+ million copies sold
etc.
Sure there are games that are woke but are good ( some very good actually ) but i would rather not buy the game even if it ticks all the boxes , for example baldur's gate 3 is a great rpg with alot of freedom and choice/consequence but i pirated it and i will pirate their next game too until i see them stop celebrating lgbtq stuff and start using male/female at character creation
ahtlas7
Member
You have my support. But just use declaratives (joking) though. Everyone, including those who argue contrarily, know those games are woke slop (obviously not always)
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Boss Mog
Member
To get back on topic, with all the woke slop games there are these days, I could see how creting a thread for each one would clutter the gaming section. I would be in favor of having
Gonzito
create a single "Is it another woke slop?" master thread and keep all woke slop discussion there.
Gonzito
create a single "Is it another woke slop?" master thread and keep all woke slop discussion there.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
It's refreshing to me to see so many woke slop threads. People finally have had it to the point nobody is holding back anymore.
Instead of complaining about these threads you should complain about the developers still forcing this garbage into their games.
Topher
Identifies as young
It's subjective. I can point to something in a game and say that thing is "woke" but doesn't necessarily that make the entire game "woke slop". Doesn't for me anyway and last time I checked the only person who speaks for me is me. So declaring something doesn't necessarily make it so.
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March Climber
Member
Can someone explain how doing this specifically on GAF will send a message?
Wouldn't Twitter be more effective at reaching who you want to reach?
poodaddy
Gold Member
Fuckin great post here.
I'm with
Who owns the machinery behind the curtain? The machine will sell you visibility while keeping ownership. The machine will put your face on the poster while keeping its hand in your pocket. If Black people are creating games, financing games, controlling studios, teaching coding to all youths, and building economic strength from it, then that's cool. But if all we become are mascots inside somebody else's empire, then we are mistaking the appearance of inclusion for the reality of liberation.
poodaddy
Gold Member
Damn, another incredible post, and a scotch enthusiast at that?In coming Rant!!
I'm gonna say something that'll probably piss off some people in the American LGBTQ+ community: stop anchoring to the Civil Rights Movement. Not every civil-rights issue is identical.
A huge part of the issue was black people being prevented from building and maintaining economic, political, and social power in the first place. It wasn't about exclusion from existing institutions, it was active suppression of our ability to build our own. The voting rights act had a similar reason for its existence. Which many people could reasonably argue was not only an imperfect patch for a systemic problem, but may no longer be necessary in the way it once was, much like the debate surrounding affirmative action.
I'm not saying the LGBTQ+ community doesn't face discrimination. I'm saying the nature, history, and scale of the discrimination isn't directly comparable.
Build your own sports communities, gaming communities, and institutions. If society starts actively preventing you from building and sustaining those independently, then I'd have no issue with comparisons to the Civil Rights Movement.
Competition is healthy in every industry. Get out there and compete, but don't expect your competitors to hand you a seat at their table. What you should expect is for everyone to be held to the same standards under U.S. law, and for those laws not to be weaponized to suppress competition.
Similar to Gonzito, I'm tired of the lazy, poorly executed "representation" in games where the characters feel generic, don't fit the lore, add nothing meaningful to the story, and the game itself is lacking substantial amounts of game mechanics (looking at you Mixtape! fuck outta here with yo bitch ass). Most of it comes across less like creativity and more like corporate pandering. Honestly, if these communities made their own games instead of relying on studios to market to them, I'd probably support and buy them. At the end of the day, I'll play a good game.
For example I enjoyed Celeste (Trans leadership), Aerial Knight's Never Yield (Black developer) and even Coffee talk ( damn there worshipped in LGBTQ+ gaming space) albeit over a strong glass of scotch.
End Rant
Blessed be this fine poster's hallowed name.
poodaddy
Gold Member
PeteBull
Gold Member
Gaf is last gaming forum where u can point it out/discuss, ppl like myself barely use twitter(in my case i only used it recently once after few months to vote in a poll).
There is reddit where all this talk is banned, same on retardera, so if we cant say anything on gaf its likely gonna surprise ppl when they buy games only, and there are many games with proper based sequels that do a turn around into wokeness, to not look far and only mention juggernauts- tlou2, spiderman2, tons of ppl got deceived and bought them only to realise they got bamboozled.
U need to remember most gaming sites(including almost all of social media) are either leftists by design or/and on top do publishers bidding, so basically gaf is that one and only rebel child that doesnt listen to the overlords and keeps its morals.
poodaddy
Gold Member
So you're saying to contain most criticism that happens to be anti establishment/anti far left to a right leaning platform where none of the people who can affect real change will ever see said criticism?
Yeah, that'll move the needle.
ahtlas7
Member
Chill. No one is speaking for anyone else.
Gonzito's post was humorous and my reply was done with humor though I see I need to work on my act.
Topher
Identifies as young
No worries. I wasn't mad. Clearly the joke went over my head though. All good
Angry_Megalodon
Member
The woke slop is everywhere. It's all around us, even now, in Gaff.
There's no escape.
There's no escape.
Gonzito
Gold Member
xrnzaaas
Member
It's like that with everything, not only video games. Try saying something that the left side doesn't like (even in a polite way) and a quick ban to shut you up is usually what you can count on. Try attacking the right side (or laugh about how their politician got assassinated in public) and you'll be getting thumbs up.
I certainly hope that GAF won't change ownership anytime soon and will continue allow to people to speak up about things like seeing their favorite hobby getting destroyed by people who don't want to just provide good entertainment.
March Climber
Member
So what's the strategy? Because the amount of devs who go to GAF have significantly lowered since the 2010s.
What steps do you guys take to move the needle?
poodaddy
Gold Member
Let the only vote that has ever counted continue to count: the dollar.
Money will go where it will, and the market will decide. It always does.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's the bottom line. And generally speaking, most games that folks say are woke and fail, fail because they are usually just not very good games in the first place. Like Veilguard, game was shit even without the trans propaganda and it flopped
uncreativename
Member
Yeah I don't think the Bluesky people are reading Neogaf. So the way I see it anyway the point of those threads is to try to between us figure out what the facts are about a game, so that we can all make informed buying decisions. If that affects whether devs keep on making bad decisions in some small way, hey that's a bonus.
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March Climber
Member
Right…but what's the plan socially/online?
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poodaddy
Gold Member
The plan socially/online is for you to share your opinions as you see fit, and I will do the same.
To put it another way: there is no plan, and no line will be toed.
That's what makes this place great.
March Climber
Member
Your post leads us back in a circle to my first post, which was me questioning the social/messaging aspect of this.
Why say things like 'we need to send a message' and 'speak up about this' and 'spread the word' if it's all insular to GAF and GAF alone?
A very large portion of this community is already hyper-aware and extremely cautious about not buying anything woke, so what does flooding the forum with even more of these threads actually do?
uncreativename
Member
March Climber
I'd be fine with there just being one thread tbh. And of course I don't speak for everyone so I can't say anything else about the messaging than I already did ^. I do think that at least having one thread would be important, though. A lot of this stuff takes some serious digging to find, and there's not really anywhere else I can think of where you can just have a discussion about this without getting downvoted to hell or banned by one side or the other.
March Climber
Member
To make my stance extremely clear, I am not against discussing wokeness. By all means, it's your right and have a blast.
I have always, mainly been starkly against these discussions randomly bleeding into topics that does not involve it.
That's my problem. It's a sly way of threadshitting without directly threadshitting. And it has a bad derailing effect.
If all conversations are slowly being rerouted and directed down one lane(wokeness), then what's the point of having conversations about anything else anymore.
I agree with you that having it be one giant OT would be a better call, but I would also personally be open to more than one topic as long as people just stopped spreading it to unrelated ones.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm not aware of any plan. Sales are what they are
uncreativename
Member
tbf I don't remember ever seeing stuff about a game being woke in an OT, and when I see it bleeding into other threads it's usually been because there's no "is this game WOKE?" thread about that game.
Still, I guess I get how it might be annoying for people who aren't interested in that discussion if they stumble on it by accident all over the place.
Still, I guess I get how it might be annoying for people who aren't interested in that discussion if they stumble on it by accident all over the place.
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poodaddy
Gold Member
It shares our opinions on a message board, nothing more. It won't change anything, you're correct on that, but the only way we can change anything is with our money anyway, so we're all really just spinning our wheels at the end of the day. Nothing should be censored or quarantined though, as that defeats the purpose of this forum. I see what you mean though, and you're right, but we're all just here to talk about games, which is happening, but if too much of an opinion is espoused it seems others would rather see it censored, which is an odd take on a free forum in which everyone has the same access to the ignore thread button, and even the ignore user function.
BigBeauford
Member
You people dont know what you are asking for. This is how we end up like Resetera/OldGaf again. I guarantee you the minor inconvenience of the .5 seconds it takes to scroll past these threads outweighs the descent into censorship madness this would kick off. Stop being a pussy.
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poodaddy
Gold Member
I read this as Dennis screaming it like your avatar and it was so fun.
March Climber
Member
Honestly the quarantine plan is a bandaid to a larger issue.
Personally my plan would be an entirely new section of the forum called 'political gaming' right between Gaming and Off-Topic, where you guys can all vent and duke it out there 24/7 about the topic of wokeness.
Then the gaming section would once again be just about video games. This avoids the whole free speech and censorship issue that people harp on.
poodaddy
Gold Member
But you're still censoring free speech when you shuffle it off to a corner to be ignored.
Like it or not, the discussion of whether a developer is "woke" is relevant to the vast majority of users on this forum. It is relevant information to us, whether we wish to purchase a game, or even simply to try it out, and to shuffle it off to a new section is still just hiding the opinions on a forum in which most of us are genuinely curious about that. It's ok if you're not curious about it, but you would be in the minority of that opinion here, so that would be a minority affectation pressed upon the majority, which....is kind of the root of the problem that many of us have with the pushing and support of this woke ideology in our entertainment in the first place. Can you see the irony there? You're using the woke playbook, indeed, the Era playbook to be specific, to shield a minority from the relevant opinions of the majority on a product.
Come on man, you know I like you brother, we always get along, but think about that for a second. That might work over at the purple place, but we're not in the business of hiding our dirty laundry over here and silencing dissent. This is the last forum that doesn't do so, and it's what makes this place the last bastion of game criticism and everything that can entail. We can't just silence things when they're not to the liking of a particular demographic of people, we have seen where that leads, we have history to prove it, and it's nowhere I wanna be, and it's nowhere most of the users here wanna be, and I honestly don't think it's where you wanna be either because you're here discussing with us rather than over on the purple forum.
People don't like the woke discussions, fine. Ignore them. They are relevant to much of us, and they will continue to be so, it is what it is. I don't want anyone banned for being pro woke, and I don't want anyone banned for being anti woke, but we definitely should not be trying to shuffle off all criticism that happens to touch on a specific cultural issue off to a dark corner to be forgotten about. Games are culture, and many of us feel that our culture has been forcefully infiltrated, for better or worse depending on which side of things you stand, and we wish to make educated purchasing decisions utilizing relevant information, and the woke discussion is absolutely part of that, and it is absolutely relevant for many.
DEAD ORIGINAL
Member
GTA 6 basically can't be woke, it's literally got to give gaming something great to talk about.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Hey, where all da trans women at!?
PeteBull
Gold Member
They still roam gaf hard, its just they do it secretly, same with tons of rainbowforum users xD
Its essential for them since they cant take seriously anything other forums tells them, since those are extremly closed bubbles censored to hell and back, not representative of gaming community( imho other source of that is steam, it can tell devs very well how gamers feel about particular products/trends).