I like this write up, and hopefully they have taken this all into account. Blizzard isn't afraid to change how a console port plays vs the PC version. See diablo 3 and the roll mechanic, along with other things. I expect to see some of these things, minus the zooming and snapping which will be a loss for a console game. If it is a straight port with just minimal adjustments then everything you say could very well be true.
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Is Overwatch going to be popular on consoles?
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I like this write up, and hopefully they have taken this all into account. Blizzard isn't afraid to change how a console port plays vs the PC version. See diablo 3 and the roll mechanic, along with other things. I expect to see some of these things, minus the zooming and snapping which will be a loss for a console game. If it is a straight port with just minimal adjustments then everything you say could very well be true.
Lurgan1337
Banned
was adventure mode and seasons ever released on console though?
RedAssedApe
Banned
have they even advertised it for console? i feel like most people didn't even know this was coming to anything other than pc...but maybe that's just me. i've never been in the blizzard camp even when i was a pc gamer.
Seasons no, everything else yes.
This is very encouraging for console players.
Adventure mode has been in since reaper of souls...
Seasons aren't a thing on consoles, but every single patch still hits consoles with the new/updated items at the exact same times.
SpiceMelange
Member
It seems more like a reassurance for PC players that the game has not been "casualized" because of consoles development to me, which is a common concern among the PC playerbase but ya the console version might be massively tweaked from the PC build with gamepad enabled. We'll see at open beta. Personally I don't think there will be much difference if any, the concerns I have are too ingrained with the design of the game IMO but we never know.
They only confirmed console versions in November when they re-announced the game and filled in a lot of details.
RecRoulette
Member
Didn't expect them to be testing new heroes this soon. That's awesome news.
While console and PC being kept separate isn't a surprise, at least it's out there now.
Edit: I hope Blizzard keeps options in the console version to allow the game to stay close to the PC version. I want to play both PC and PS4, and I'll play both on controller, adjusting each time would be rough.
Heck I didn't expect the maps they've added in the past month and a half either. Since beta started we've gotten 3 new heroes and 4 new maps. While constantly tweaking stuff cause Beta.
And the brawl mode. Been really enjoying the last two rotations. Didn't expect it at all
AnthonypUK
Member
I don't think its had the marketing to push it into the top tier console games 5m+ if you were in a game/gamestop, i bet out of 10 people you asked, 9 would have no idea what over watch is, they are the people that make those sales up.
i think 3-4million would be great for it, and i think thats what it'll do.
i think 3-4million would be great for it, and i think thats what it'll do.
360 TF2 managed a competitive scene for 7+ years and you can still actively find games for it almost 10 years later, even without the patches and with a patch that absolutely shit on the community
If it's a good game, it will survive easily, it's just a matter of how it will get updates. I dont expect the level of updates that the PC ver sion will get, but im hoping for a much better support then Valve will do.
But i'd imagine it will sell over 1 mil on PS4, and at the very lowest 500K
If it's a good game, it will survive easily, it's just a matter of how it will get updates. I dont expect the level of updates that the PC ver sion will get, but im hoping for a much better support then Valve will do.
But i'd imagine it will sell over 1 mil on PS4, and at the very lowest 500K
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Blizzard is very good at supporting both version of Diablo 3, so I don't doubt that the console version will be kept up to date with the PC version. Maybe not 1:1 on the date schedule, but it should be close to it.
And if they figure out the system to keeping their weekly brawl, which should run independent from actual patches, then content should be dropping frequently.
half a moon
Banned
I'm not too sure it'll be that popular in general. A lot of streamers got bored with it and it's not high in viewership. More people are watching Paragon and that has little interest on GAF.
Twitch views =/= how popular or competitive a game will be. It might just be that Overwatch isnt as fun too watch, doesnt appeal to populat twitch streamers, or a whole slew of other nonsense
This game is similar to TF2 in a lot of ways, and TF2 has never been a good game for twitch streamers to stream.
I suspect you will be able to get matches going, but playing the thing makes it apparent the entire development team plays with a mouse and Blizzard's core fanbase exists on one specific platform.
This is before we even get to the $20 price increase for consoles.
Over 8 million people signed up for the PC beta: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1184282
This is before we even get to the $20 price increase for consoles.
Over 8 million people signed up for the PC beta: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1184282
After watching the Kaplan interview about them balancing console and PC versions separately, I'm wondering what the extent of this problem will actually end up being. They showed in Diablo 3 that they're willing to make core control changes to better fit a platform, and I don't think we have actually seen the console version of Overwatch played anywhere. Possible they are being smart about adapting the controls properly
SlickShoes
Member
The viewers and players dropped off because it's in closed beta as well, the player pool is very small.
People are more likely to watch games that they can play and have access to, also despite popular belief not every streamer got beta access.
Well part of the problem with TF2 was Valve never really supported the comp community or streaming all that much. I doubt Blizzard will make that mistake.
Of course Valve is now making up for that mistake with comp matchmaking and the other day they added a list of the top TF2 twitch streams to the main menu in TF2 which will also probably help increase twitch viewership of TF2
That's good, was just going to ask this. Being a full price release I'd have been totally put off if it was full of micro transactions.
Though Blizzard are good at post launch support to be fair.
PC keeps communities much longer...just read the other thread, these might as well be sister topics. Battlefront is dead because it's a shit game.
17 Seconds
Banned
I honestly have to question whether or not you even know what Destiny is like. Comparing it in any way to Overwatch because it has "multiplayer" aspects is ridiculous. The majority of Destiny is pure PvE. Co-op and PvP are different things.
Someone said you can play Destiny solo and Overwatch is purely multiplayer. I pointed out that you can play either of them single player, even though they are obviously BASED around multiplayer and are both online only games. Nothing I said was incorrect, and I never said the games themselves were that similar.
Overwatch has basically as much 'solo' stuff to do as something like Unreal Tournament did back in the day, and nobody gave a shit then either.
That's an opinion, besides there are plenty of 'great' games on PC with small communities ad plenty of 'shit' games with large ones.
Movalpolos
Banned
I actually do think Battleborn will do better on consoles than Overwatch.
More people on consoles are aware of Gearbox because of Bordelands. I would not underestimate the "OMG I'M YELLING AND LISTEN TO THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD THING I SAY, ALSO I'M A PENGUIN IN A DIAPER" type of humor. Seems to be pretty popular.
That never happened.
Adventure mode yes, there must be reasons there is no seasons.
Last update was in January.
Omnii-chan
Member
I imagine it will have a bit of a following. Its a new IP, looks fun, Blizzard.
I'm still going to be getting it on PC though. Blizzard = PC for me.
I'm still going to be getting it on PC though. Blizzard = PC for me.
When did Blizzard stop supporting console diablo, are you talking about the ps3/ Xb360 version?
I played that game on XB1 just last week on the same patch that is current on PC.
If anything, blizzard supports their games with patching and content updates far more than most devs out there.
TheAggroCraig
Member
While this is a Blizzard game, I'm concerned it's going to go the way of Titanfall and Evolv and fizzle out. I obviously hope it doesn't because the game is great fun, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility.
Question: is mouse/keyboard still the primary way that PC gamers play FPS? Because as advantageous as it is I prefer using a controller. Despite being able to perform much better with it, I feel like using a mouse negates the sense of gamefeel -- it's like I'm clicking icons on my desktop which greatly reduces my level of enjoyment. Still, feeling like I'm fighting an uphill battle with a pad against a bunch of kb/mouse users isn't exactly fun either meaning that I've just flat out preferred multiplayer FPS on consoles since... well, forever.
I'm definitely interested in Overwatch. It's not one of my "most wanted" games, but its taken on the role of 2016 "dark horse" for me. My PC would run it no problem, my friends on PS4 don't seem interested, I wouldn't be concerned about the player base prematurely dwindling, and I'd very likely be able to grab it for a discounted price far before I could find it cheaper on consoles. Still, if I would just be constantly dragging my team down on PC and having a generally poor experience because of it (or choosing to be more competitive with kb/m and having a meh time anyway) then I would be forced to take the wait-and-see approach on the PS4 version.
Preemptive: before someone chimes in saying that one can be just as good with a pad as with kb/m, while that may be true for an extremely small percentage the latter is inherently faster/more accurate with aiming than the former. As someone who used to compete in and run tourneys for console FPS I have an extremely ingrained preference, but I fully believe from my time playing PC FPS (really dug Day of Defeat at one point in time) that one input method is competitively far superior to the other.
EDIT: Then again, there's always the possibility that the gamefeel could suck on consoles anyway. (ex. I can't stand how "samey" the guns feel on the modern COD games)
I'm definitely interested in Overwatch. It's not one of my "most wanted" games, but its taken on the role of 2016 "dark horse" for me. My PC would run it no problem, my friends on PS4 don't seem interested, I wouldn't be concerned about the player base prematurely dwindling, and I'd very likely be able to grab it for a discounted price far before I could find it cheaper on consoles. Still, if I would just be constantly dragging my team down on PC and having a generally poor experience because of it (or choosing to be more competitive with kb/m and having a meh time anyway) then I would be forced to take the wait-and-see approach on the PS4 version.
Preemptive: before someone chimes in saying that one can be just as good with a pad as with kb/m, while that may be true for an extremely small percentage the latter is inherently faster/more accurate with aiming than the former. As someone who used to compete in and run tourneys for console FPS I have an extremely ingrained preference, but I fully believe from my time playing PC FPS (really dug Day of Defeat at one point in time) that one input method is competitively far superior to the other.
EDIT: Then again, there's always the possibility that the gamefeel could suck on consoles anyway. (ex. I can't stand how "samey" the guns feel on the modern COD games)
Did you seriously just ask that question?
SmartWaffles
Member
KB/M is the universal control device of PC gaming since its inception and it is not going to change. And it objectively provides higher precision than controller so there is no reason fo a PC gamer to use a controller in games that requires precision aiming. Not saying controller is that inferior or anything, just some facts. On topic with Overwatch, a lot of the heroes do not require precision aiming so controller is definitely viable to a great extent, just below the top level of competition imo, so if you are comfortable and confident with a controller, use it by all means, just expect some beat downs from good KB/M users because that's how it works.
Ha! It was more wishful thinking on my part that the landscape may have evolved to a better mix or some balance mechanic may have been found that levels the playing field. (ex. some sort of judicious implementation of aim assist) I've been mostly out of the PC FPS scene (and really the FPS scene in general) for a while due to lack of gamefeel variety.
You may not be saying it but I am: pad is competitively inferior to kb/m for FPS.
Interesting point about some characters being more controller friendly than others though. I was just reading something about that on a different site. It would kind of suck having my input method dictate my character choice, but the game does seem to offer a lot of variety. I've enjoyed rolling support and defensive/tank roles in games, but I've also really enjoyed playing the sniper in FPS and generally prefer rifles/pistols to autos/boomsticks in shooters.
SmartWaffles
Member
Actually the majority of characters can be played with a controller just fine, like almost all of the support and tank heroes, some defense heroes too, since they generally have lock on mechanics or use AOE weapons that hit a cone/area, offense heroes not so much though.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Funny, I'm the exact opposite. I feel like playing with a controller adds an artificial level layer between what my brain wants to do and what I can actually do. I get frustrated trying to aim with a controller and failing because I know how to aim with a mouse, and the controller just feels like an unnecessary layer of complexity. As a result I enjoy shooters more with M+KB than controller.
Having said that, if you insist on playing with a controller, then I wouldn't recommend the PC version. Overwatch is an incredibly fast game where you will be at a huge disadvantage if you play with a controller on PC. Jeff Kaplan even said they were going to balance PS4/XB1 and PC separately due to the different control schemes. So my recommendation is stick with the PS4 version.
I would argue there are a lot of characters you can't play as well with a controller. McCree, Genji, Roadhog, Hanzo, Widowmaker, Tracer, Zenyatta, and others require pinpoint aiming and they have no sticky targeting. These will be hard to play with a controller against a PC crowd.
Brian_FETO
Banned
The only reason I'm hesitant to pick it up day one is because DOOM is out a week before
While Overwatch is the polar opposite tonally, both are arena FPS. Overwatch has a lot more going on with character playstyles and such so it should differentiate itself well but who knows
Overwatch seems like the sort of game that will be largely helped by streaming. It already has a lot of hype around it and the gameplay does a pretty solid job of showing why
While Overwatch is the polar opposite tonally, both are arena FPS. Overwatch has a lot more going on with character playstyles and such so it should differentiate itself well but who knows
Overwatch seems like the sort of game that will be largely helped by streaming. It already has a lot of hype around it and the gameplay does a pretty solid job of showing why
Point of reference: my favorite weapons of any shooter are shitty bolt action rifles from WW2 era games. There's something about successfully fighting both the enemy and your weapon that I find extremely satisfying. I'm a weird one, I know. But I also acknowledge there's a definite difference between overcoming the deficiencies of a "low tier" weapon and an inferior input device.
Thanks for your reply! I really do hope that Overwatch ends up as hype as I think it will and it succeeds on console because you're right, I would be better served by the PS4 version.
Edit: and thank you for your reply, poster below!
RecRoulette
Member
I've been in the beta for quite awhile, only play with controller. Most of the heroes are fine. There are certain heroes (mainly attack heroes) that are basically useless on controller because you can't play them properly.
Tracer for instance, you can't use her warps effectively to attack people because you can't aim fast enough. You're basically stuck using her warps to escape, and if you're doing that you should just play a different hero. Nothing's stopping you from playing Tracer if you really want to, just realize that it's going to be an uphill battle
More importantly, the main thing I learned from playing with a controller is that you have to think about ho w you engage other people. If you fight Tracer or Genji 1 on 1 you will most likely get destroyed, so avoid those situations if you can.
This isn't a fighting game situation where pads can be as effective as arcade sticks with enough time put in. Keyboard and mouse will always be superior to a pad. With that being said, you can still play Overwatch with a controller on the PC and have a great time with it.
Tracer for instance, you can't use her warps effectively to attack people because you can't aim fast enough. You're basically stuck using her warps to escape, and if you're doing that you should just play a different hero. Nothing's stopping you from playing Tracer if you really want to, just realize that it's going to be an uphill battle
More importantly, the main thing I learned from playing with a controller is that you have to think about ho w you engage other people. If you fight Tracer or Genji 1 on 1 you will most likely get destroyed, so avoid those situations if you can.
This isn't a fighting game situation where pads can be as effective as arcade sticks with enough time put in. Keyboard and mouse will always be superior to a pad. With that being said, you can still play Overwatch with a controller on the PC and have a great time with it.
The Gamester
Neo Member
I truly hope that it has a following on console. Blizzard will likely look at the amount of players and dictate updates based upon those numbers. PC will always be first for them.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Overwatch is much slower than COD and that works just fine on consoles. It probably won't succeed because it's MP only and the price not because of how it plays.
I don't see Overwatch being successful on consoles in the long run. There's too much gameplay variety and some characters requires a lot of twitch reflexes and vertical awareness. Pad player will quickly go back to destiny or cod, where the gamedesign is fitted for them.
Which isn't an issue, because the game will enjoy a durable success on PC, and that's what truly matters.
Which isn't an issue, because the game will enjoy a durable success on PC, and that's what truly matters.