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[Aion002]

Heads up: This is an reactionary opinion thread, few facts, mostly feelings.​

So, first of all: The PS4 is killing, closing the generation with a bang.... But it feels like all of this momentum was made by other people, like Andrew House, Layden and many others who already left Sony and now, the new people in power, are completely lost or, maybe, they just don't care at the moment.

Why? Well, MS is fighting hard to get gamers attention for next gen, they are showing all their weapons and honestly, they are quite strong, while Sony, appears to be in another reality when it comes down to PS5.

Series X just had a "Deep Dive" and everything was great: features, tech, bc and promisses.... Then, Sony decides in the same week to also have a "Deep Dive".... and shows Cerny talking about technicalities and, when we think the stream will be like a hour long, it ends abruptly in 20 minutes!

It feels that Sony is not even trying to compete with MS, like they don't care about it.

It's weird, we are in the third month of the year and everything we have to hype was known since last year.


No news about an reveal event, price.... heck even when the next state of play is coming.

I am a Playstation gamer and this is the weirdest PS moment ever. It feels like Sony doesn't even know where to go with the PS5 and that they are being extremely dodgy/vague with it. On PS3, when everythin failed, they at least had a goal, a message, today I don't know what to expect from Sony.


The PS5 might not be even released this year, so this opinion might be dumb... but Sony surely is giving all the clicks to MS.

 

[Alphagear]

Same here. Never been so underwhelmed by a playstation reveal.

 

[darkinstinct]

Now imagine Lockhart is real and targets $249. That's when Sony will have a real problem.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Yup, it's been a chain of weird and incompetent decisions since that weird E3. The hungry Sony from 2013 is no more.

 

[Alphagear]

Now imagine Lockhart is real and targets $249. That's when Sony will have a real problem.

What if Sony reveals a PS5 pro? Works both ways.

 

[Grinchy]

They should not have hyped up what they showed today. That could have just been a video they put up and let news outlets write up articles with highlights from it.

This was their break from a very long silence about what the PS5 would be and it was a confusing mishmash of numbers consumers can't take anything away from.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Well, they've lost me as a customer. I suspect many others will follow suit.

 

[INC]

Same here. Never been so underwhelmed by a playstation reveal.

It wasnt a reveal tho, did u see the console?

 

[Alphagear]

It wasnt a reveal tho, did u see the console?

I'm talking in terms of specs.

 

[Sosokrates]

So far, they are the first ones to make a pretty big mistake.

It was a mistake to tell the specs in the way they did, and cerny trying to defend lower cus and tflops was as embarrassing as Microsoft blunders at the start of this gen.

If I were sony I would had the first unveiling be far more straight forward and I would of been more upfront and less bullshity, i would of shown how the gpu scales frequency and not just of said it highest peak tflop count, that is just disingenuous.

I would of shown some amazing game footage in order to lessen the disappointment of weaker specs and I would of announced the price $449 + 6 months of PSN NOW + PS PLUS.

This is chess and sony just made a terrible move , of course they will recover though, but they need to hit it out of the park with there next showcases.

 

[MDSLKTR]

It wasnt a reveal tho, did u see the console?

Compare it to Mondays MS blowout. Night and day difference.

 

[TTOOLL]

On the contrary. Had you paid attention to the presentation you would see that a lot of research and talk with people who make the games went into account when designing de machine.

If you wanted to beat MS to the TFLOPs you can feel disappointed. People who remember the PS3 fiasco and how Sony learned with it to make the PS4 are pretty confident that the PS5 will be a great console.

The ROAD to PS5. The name tells you a lot. It brings price, performance and easiness do develop to the table. Trust the Soothing Cerny.

 

[Vol5]

Well, they've lost me as a customer. I suspect many others will follow suit.

Priceless. And if XBOX continues to have averages games while Sony continue to knock it out of the park with exclusives you'll still play on XBOX because of a TF advantage?

It's like saying I'm not eating that sandwich, I'm having this one instead, but you don't know what's in either of them.

 

[Arkam]

No games from either company shown yet..... yes now is the time to declare the winners of the generation. LOL for fucks sake people, breath!

 

[Shin]

What if Sony reveals a PS5 pro? Works both ways.

We would have heard some rumblings by now, we haven't (one joke post or pastbin).

 

[phil_t98]

not lost but they gonna have to work way harder next gen to win gamers away from a more powerful console. we may see this gen Sony being the first to do more consumer friendly things like xbox did this gen

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Depends on what is deemed a success.

No doubt SeX is a better system, but Sony fans and for sure PS5 will be cheaper by a good $100. So combine those and there is no way SeX outsells PS5. It'll probably be a 2-1 ratio again.

 

[Alphagear]

Only positive is it will most likely be cheaper than xsx. Sony can release a pro version for people with deeper pockets.

 

[Aion002]

No games from either company shown yet..... yes now is the time to declare the winners of the generation. LOL for fucks sake people, breath!

This thread is not about winners or losers, just about how different and confusing Sony approach feels compared to the straight foward way of MS.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Hardware wise MS just handed them the win last gen. And with Xbox SEX MS seems really to be on top of their game. I even posted a few days ago I doubted Sony could match that level of expertise MS has.

Now we all know it's more about games than hardware, so PS will still be number 1. But the race will be a lot closer.

 

[CJY]

Same here. Never been so underwhelmed by a playstation reveal.

It wasn't a reveal. Just a tech deep-dive and the tech is amazing.

 

[Yoshi]

PS1 and PS2 were also weaker than their counterparts. Having the weaker console hurts Microsoft more than Sony, because Microsoft intially positioned the Xbox consoles as the tech leaders, so falling behind PS4 at a higher price was terrible. PS5 being weaker than XSX (and probably cheaper) does not mean Sony is fucked.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

What if Sony reveals a PS5 pro? Works both ways.

It would have to have been in the works for that to work. You can't just "come out" with a Pro version. It takes R&D and time. Lots of both.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Priceless. And if XBOX continues to have averages games while Sony continue to knock it out of the park with exclusives you'll still play on XBOX because of a TF advantage?

It's like saying I'm not eating that sandwich, I'm having this one instead, but you don't know what's in either of them.

Haven't really been impressed with games lately either

 

[Captain Hero]

saying facts is not presented as a lost approach .. you may raise your expectations to the bar where power is only matter and by saying power I mean NUMBERS.. but that talk was more than specs , Sony does know that MS is doing their best and that is good for gaming but that doesn’t mean Sony is letting that go just like that .. I know here more are angry because PS5 numbers are weaker than XSX ..

But some are blinded to the point where he can’t see the big picture as Mark Cerny wanted everyone to know .. you don’t have to put more higher numbers to reach greatness in gaming , there is other factors beside big numbers which make the whole package great and deliver what you expect.. from base PS4 to PS5 that is a fucking huge leap btw and if you can’t imagine that then go and scream with others and cry

Did you think Mark Cerny reveal everything at that stage ? .. this is a strategy they know games are important to gamers and other features they didn’t say but in our community we want everything to be at higher number .. that is wrong imo

XSX and PS5 will present a huge leap in gaming in every aspect .. specially PS5

 

[Alphagear]

It wasn't a reveal. Just a tech deep-dive and the tech is amazing.

Well it was underwhelming whatever the case. Not that it matters to me. Nothing will push me to buy a more powerful console with no games. Always PS as primary with Nintendo secondary .

 

[Durask]

The way I look at it it will be like having a PC with a RTX2070 Super vs 2080Ti with all other things being more or less equal - sure there is a difference but it is not THAT much of a difference.
Games, ecosystem, marketing will be the deciding factors.

 

[Stuart360]

Priceless. And if XBOX continues to have averages games while Sony continue to knock it out of the park with exclusives you'll still play on XBOX because of a TF advantage?

It's like saying I'm not eating that sandwich, I'm having this one instead, but you don't know what's in either of them.

You do realize 95% of games released are multiplatform right?, and the XSX will run them much better. Besides 'exclusives' shouldnt be a problem for Microsoft next gen.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

They know that all that really matters is the big reveal with the launch date, games, and price. That's going to determine everything for the launch.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I'm disappointed, not much though. It's still confusing, he explained some strange things of how he approaches GPU, we need games to understand though. Overall, it's a 14.8% GPU gap, much less than PS4 vs X1 and PS4 Pro vs X1X. I'm very happy that MS have pushed the bar high, it's good for gaming in general. But let's not forget: No exclusives for 2 years, and don't expect much if tied to Lockhart. Multiplats will look identical overall with slightly better performance on XSX (fps).

 

[OverHeat]

This is the first Sony system I won’t buy.

 

[CJY]

Well it was underwhelming whatever the case. Not that it matters to me. Nothing will push me to buy a more powerful console with no games. Always PS as primary with Nintendo secondary .

Totally. They should have no hyped this up to the public whatsoever. They should have thrown it up on their YouTube and be done with it. I really didn't expect it to be a GDC presentation. Missed opportunity.

 

[Alphagear]

PS1 and PS2 were also weaker than their counterparts. Having the weaker console hurts Microsoft more than Sony, because Microsoft intially positioned the Xbox consoles as the tech leaders, so falling behind PS4 at a higher price was terrible. PS5 being weaker than XSX (and probably cheaper) does not mean Sony is fucked.

So true. People need to spend less time watching DF and more time enjoying gaming.

 

[Aion002]

saying facts is not presented as a lost approach .. you may raise your expectations to the bar where power is only matter and by saying power I mean NUMBERS.. but that talk was more than specs , Sony does know that MS is doing their best and that is good for gaming but that doesn’t mean Sony is letting that go just like that .. I know here more are angry because PS5 numbers are weaker than XSX ..

But some are blinded to the point where he can’t see the big picture as Mark Cerny wanted everyone to know .. you don’t have to put more higher numbers to reach greatness in gaming , there is other factors beside big numbers which make the whole package great and deliver what you expect.. from base PS4 to PS5 that is a fucking huge leap btw and if you can’t imagine that then go and scream with others and cry

Did you think Mark Cerny reveal everything at that stage ? .. this is a strategy they know games are important to gamers and other features they didn’t say but in out community we want everything to be at higher number .. that is wrong imo

XSX and PS5 will present a huge leap in gaming in every aspect .. specially PS5

Honestly... I just wanted more, more of Cerny talks, maybe toss in some developers videos there talking about the console and stuff. Then, end it saying something like: PS5 Reveal Event on June or something...

 

[Psykodad]

I think there is a Series S that Sony anticipated and the ball is in MS' court right.

Anything can happen going from here.

 

[Birdo]

They will be fine. But it does feel like there is something odd going on behind the scenes at Sony. Maybe mismanagement.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

What if Sony reveals a PS5 pro? Works both ways.

You really believe a PS5 Pro is coming this year ...

 

[Gormless Noodle]

I have no idea what they're thinking. The first look at the PS5 is the most boring presentation I've ever seen from a console maker, there were like over 200k people watching and you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. This should have been something they do AFTER properly revealing the thing. And wtf was this bizarre lifeform even talking about? 3d audio? Like who even cares about that kind of horseshit. And they strapped dudes to what essentially looks like this

I just... Okay then?

 

[Vol5]

You do realize 95% of games released are multiplatform right?, and the XSX will run them much better. Besides 'exclusives' shouldnt be a problem for Microsoft next gen.

Your making assumptions. And very big assumptions based on XBOX's output over the last 5 years.

Instead of getting all upset about numbers, why don't you take a considered approach and wait to see what the games are and how they look on both systems. Then if your not happy and PS5 really is a POS like you say it is, you have every right to spit the dummy.

 

[Entroyp]

I’m impressed by the SSD subsystem but underwhelmed by everything else. A first for any PS reveal for me.

 

[MHubert]

They should not have hyped up what they showed today. That could have just been a video they put up and let news outlets write up articles with highlights from it.

This was their break from a very long silence about what the PS5 would be and it was a confusing mishmash of numbers consumers can't take anything away from.

That is basically what they did. Do you think they overhyped the event today by announcing it yesterday?

 

[TheStruggler]

Same here. Never been so underwhelmed by a playstation reveal.

PS3

 

[Stuart360]

Your making assumptions. And very big assumptions based on XBOX's output over the last 5 years.

Instead of getting all upset about numbers, why don't you take a considered approach and wait to see what the games are and how they look on both systems. Then if your not happy and PS5 really is a POS like you say it is, you have every right to spit the dummy.

Its not really an assumption, they didnt buy all those studios to have them making dashboard backgrounds. It doesnt mean quality games of course, but that works on both machines.
As for waiting to see what the games look like on both, there is literally no way multiplatform games will be better on PS5, it has slower cpu, slower ram, 2+tf less powerful gpu. It will load games a few seconds faster, but for actual game performance, something will be VERY wrong if multiplatform games arent better on XSX.

 

[chinoXL]

Some of these people are hilarious. I'll be getting the 5 day one and will get multi on my PC of there's a huge difference

 

[GHG]

Same here. Never been so underwhelmed by a playstation reveal.

Yep. Even though the PS3 reveal was all bullshit at least it felt exciting.

I don't think I've ever felt more non plusses about a console reveal ever. At least the Xbox One reveal got the blood pumping even if for all the wrong reasons.

This was just... Meh.

 

[Dargor]

I wouldn't say lost, they certainly seem to know what they wanted out of the ps5.

I would say they just focused on things that dont matter for gamers in general.

 

[Grinchy]

That is basically what they did. Do you think they overhyped the event today by announcing it yesterday?

It was a livestream of the first concrete info they had ever given about the PS5 since a random Wired article forever ago that barely mentioned the use of a SSD. They knew it would be hyped and knew a lot of people (not just a handful of developers) would be watching.

And they showed...whatever the hell that was. It was a really bad move. It didn't need to be a public showing in a live format to just give information that only developers would care about with the only real takeaway being that it's theoretically less powerful than the Halo machine.

 

[M1chl]

What we have learned, that reveal matter and this was terrible way to do that. Because this was for the developers.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

I have no idea what they're thinking. The first look at the PS5 is the most boring presentation I've ever seen from a console maker, there were like over 200k people watching and you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. This should have been something they do AFTER properly revealing the thing. And wtf was this bizarre lifeform even talking about? 3d audio? Like who even cares about that kind of horseshit. And they strapped dudes to what essentially looks like this

I just... Okay then?

Have no idea who gave the greenlight for such a presentation. In 2020 who still does stuff like this.

 

[TTOOLL]

Same here. Never been so underwhelmed by a playstation reveal.

But it wasn't a console reveal...