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[GlamFM]

I´m always under the impression that Sony has no idea what handheld gaming is about.

My train ride to work in the morning is around 20 minutes.

In these 20 minutes -

I can play 4 round of Plants vs Zombies or a nice chuck of Game dev Story on my iPhone.

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

But I can´t get past the first cutscene from uncharted or do anything of significance with my vita.

Never will I sit on my couch and play a handheld game with my 50 inch TV right there.

It´s the reason why I sold my PSP ( most games took longer to load than my train ride ) and it´s the reason why I sold my VITA after 2 weeks.

 

[DangerousDave]

I´m always under the impression that Sony has no idea what handheld gaming is about.

My train ride to work in the morning is around 20 minutes.

In these 20 minutes -

I can play 4 round of Plants vs Zombies or a nice chuck of Game dev Story on my iPhone.

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

But I can´t get past the first cutscene from uncharted or do anything of significance with my vita.

Never will I sit on my couch and play a handheld game with my 50 inch TV right there.

It´s the reason why I sold my PSP ( most games took longer to load than my train ride ) and it´s the reason why I sold my VITA after 2 weeks.

Or you can play the same 4 rounds on Vita Plants vs Zombies.

Or you can play 2 or 3 levels of Super Mario 3D Tales from Space, or 4 races of Super Mario Kart Wipeout or Motorstorm RC.

Or you can play 5 matches of Montezuma Blitz. Or a large mission on Unit 13 or 2 small ones. Or a full chapter of Uncharted (you know, cinematics on Uncharted are 1 minute as average, not 20 minutes, that is the size of most chapters).

Or a couple of levels of StarDrone. Or a few levels of Escape Plan.

But, yes, Vita only offers console-like experiences that force you to play 3 hours non-stop.

The biggest surprise is that you said that you bought and sold your Vita after 2 weeks, without realising that it offered the same small-chunk gameplay as 3DS or even iPhone. Unless you didn't bought any game and you only played those three AR free games, that are not the best option to play on the go.

 

[dark10x]

I can play 4 round of Plants vs Zombies or a nice chuck of Game dev Story on my iPhone.

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

But I can´t get past the first cutscene from uncharted or do anything of significance with my vita.

Are you kidding me?

The same could be said of Resident Evil Revelations or MGS3D. There are plenty of pick-up and play games available for Vita (including Plants vs Zombies, really) just as there are plenty of cinematic, involved 3DS games. Don't pretend for a second that the 3DS is any different. The 3DS has much more in common with PSP and Vita this time around.

iOS is a bit different from both as the focus generally is placed on very quick games. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, however.

Being portable doesn't necessarily mean that the games can only be enjoyed in 20 minute chunks. Furthermore, even with such games in such time slots, sleep mode allows them to become quite playable.

 

[Raoh]

seems like the Vita is not doing well AT ALL


http://kotaku.com/5901658/the-ps-vi...m_source=kotaku_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Not completely shocking, there were times early on when the ps2 was doing as well if not better than the ps3.

If your just buying old psp games digitally (and looking for cheap/bang for buck), now would be the right time to buy psp. PS VITA's memory card is its downfall as it increases the entry price. I need a 32gb card but refuse to buy one at the current price.

In the same article it also says

In comparison, the 3DS moved 72,115 units—not bad for a console that people thought was D.O.A. last year.

 

[Skilletor]

I´m always under the impression that Sony has no idea what handheld gaming is about.

My train ride to work in the morning is around 20 minutes.

In these 20 minutes -

I can play 4 round of Plants vs Zombies or a nice chuck of Game dev Story on my iPhone.

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

But I can´t get past the first cutscene from uncharted or do anything of significance with my vita.

Never will I sit on my couch and play a handheld game with my 50 inch TV right there.

It´s the reason why I sold my PSP ( most games took longer to load than my train ride ) and it´s the reason why I sold my VITA after 2 weeks.

In 20 minutes with my Vita, I can play a few races of Wipeout, do a mission in shinobido, play a bunch of Lumines, play some hot shots golf, play a few matches of UMvC3 or Blazblue, some stardust or escape plan...

Or I can sit down for hours with any of them. Sounds like you only played one game, or made this up.

Also, lol @ you implying that any game had 20 minute load times on the PSP. Be less obvious.

 

[Raoh]

I´m always under the impression that Sony has no idea what handheld gaming is about.

My train ride to work in the morning is around 20 minutes.

In these 20 minutes -

I can play 4 round of Plants vs Zombies or a nice chuck of Game dev Story on my iPhone.

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

But I can´t get past the first cutscene from uncharted or do anything of significance with my vita.

Never will I sit on my couch and play a handheld game with my 50 inch TV right there.

It´s the reason why I sold my PSP ( most games took longer to load than my train ride ) and it´s the reason why I sold my VITA after 2 weeks.

Unit 13 is perfect for short spurts to and from work. Dynasty warriors is not really a problem as long as I don't plan to switch games, once I arrive at my stop I hit the home button, it minimizes/pauses, I plug it in to charge, connect to my work wifi, then on my ride home continue my game. Not as contained depending on how fast I want to run through every level as unit 13 but simple enough.

The only game I'm having a hard time with is monster hunter freedom unite. Love the game, but I'm having a hard time finding time for it.

 

[madmaxx350]

Or you can play the same 4 rounds on Vita Plants vs Zombie.

Or you can play 2 or 3 levels of Super Mario 3D Tales from Space, or 4 races of Super Mario Kart Wipeout or Motorstorm RC.

Or you can play 5 matches of Montezuma Blitz. Or a large mission on Unit 13 or 2 small ones. Or a full chapter of Uncharted (you know, cinematics on Uncharted are 1 minute as average, not 20 minutes, that is the size of most chapters).

Or a couple of levels of StarDrone. Or a few levels of Escape Plan.

But, yes, Vita only offers console-like experiences that force you to play 3 hours non-stop.

I was about to say that. Couldn't have said it better myself. I've been playing a lot of MHFu lately and my vita has been getting a lot of uses unlike my PS3 and that's mostly because I don't have time to play at home and MH is pretty addictive.

 

[GlamFM]

But, yes, Vita only offers console-like experiences that force you to play 3 hours non-stop.

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

 

[Fletcher]

I like the system itself, but have no interest in them making portable versions of games on the PS3. I want new games and new ideas, even if it's just a couple. Oh, and hurry up and put PSOne support on there. I want to replay MGS and Vagrant Story.

 

[Sqorgar]

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

Try Shinobido 2. The missions in that are fairly short. Or Disgaea 3 when it comes out on Tuesday. (These are the only two games I have)

 

[Blue Submarine No. 6]

What? They cut unprofitable sectors within the company all the time. TVs and Games more or less became the face of their company so they're having a hard time cutting them is all, for better or for worse.

Ya, the PS3 didn't last six months... oh, wait...

and the Vita isn't actually losing money for them... there is world enough and time...

 

[Skilletor]

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

So you're willfully ignoring every single example from the several posts since you spouted your silliness.

Also, you missed the sarcasm.

 

[MDSLKTR]

I can play 4 round of Plants vs Zombies or a nice chuck of Game dev Story on my iPhone.

I can play pvsz on the vita too.

I can finish 2 or 3 levels of New Super Mario 3d Land or 4 races of Mario Kart.

I can switch between motorstorm, mutant blobs and super stardust in mere seconds without changing game cartridges but via a couple finger flicks on the UI. These games takes seconds to load too.

But I can´t get past the first cutscene from uncharted or do anything of significance with my vita.

Maybe it's your fault for playing a true home console game on your handheld? Maybe you should have played it on your couch? A dumbed down uncharted without exploration, story or cutscenes wouldn't be an uncharted game. Where you expecting a on-rails shooter maybe?

Never will I sit on my couch and play a handheld game with my 50 inch TV right there.

Believe it or not some people like playing handhelds at home. I have a ps3 and a pc with 200+games on steam, yet I always manage to squeeze some vita time.

 

[DangerousDave]

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

If you read the whole post, you'll see that I was ironic in that line.

In the moment that you imply that you can play a few races of Super Mario Kart but you can't play a few races on Motorstorm RC or Wipeout 2048, any argument that you can add is invalid.

Same with Super Mario 3D Land and Tales about a Blog, Escape Plan or a lot of other games. Also, I recomend you to not hold the power button of Vita until it turn off. If you press it only a moment, the console will be on stand by, and you will be able to continue playing without any wait in your next train trip (unless 3DS, that you can find that it got out of battery if you have it too much hours on stand by).

 

[dark10x]

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

It's just as much a focus of Vita as it is of 3DS.

The two machines are focusing on precisely the same types of games and both offer variety.

You're fundamentally wrong on this.

 

[ElNino]

But, yes, Vita only offers console-like experiences that force you to play 3 hours non-stop.

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

Even if that was true (it isn't), the ability to pause, go to sleep mode and resume with little/no impact on battery life makes your argument irrelevant in my opinion.

 

[VanWinkle]

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

How could you not agree with the other things he said? Was any part of it not true?

 

[Pandaman]

Also, lol @ you implying that any game had 20 minute load times on the PSP. Be less obvious.

well, maybe one of the wwe games...

 

[MDSLKTR]

How could you not agree with the other things he said? Was any part of it not true?

It doesn't matter, he knows what handheld gaming is, you can tell by his train rides.

 

[Tarin02543]

I haven't bought a Vita yet as I was afraid this was going to happen.

On the other hand I've just tried the New Ipad and I wasn't impressed by it at all. This cannot be the reason why Vita is temporarly failing

 

[dark10x]

well, maybe one of the wwe games...

Even that wasn't actually 20 minutes, but it sure felt like it. It wasn't actually worse than Soldier of Fortune for Dreamcast, though, which I hold to be the most extreme example of bad loading times in a retail game. Yes, even worse than Sonic 2006.

 

[GlamFM]

I should have know that I was entering heavy fanboy territory..

However I guess you guys are probably right and I should´t have sold my VITA this early.

But I did.

Maybe it´s Uncharteds fault, the only game i bought for it.

Or maybe it´s the fact that I can get the handheld experience I´m looking for elsewhere.

 

[Skilletor]

I should have know that I was entering heavy fanboy territory..

However I guess you guys are probably right and I should´t have sold my VITA this early.

But I did.

Maybe it´s Uncharteds fault, the only game i bought for it.

Or maybe it´s the fact that I can get the handheld experience I´m looking for elsewhere.

Now we're fanboys because you're wrong? lol.

Wouldn't have any problem if you just said:

I can get the handheld experience I´m looking for elsewhere.

Try not to speak from ignorance and people won't see the need to correct you.

 

[dark10x]

I should have know that I was entering heavy fanboy territory..

However I guess you guys are probably right and I should´t have sold my VITA this early.

But I did.

Maybe it´s Uncharteds fault, the only game i bought for it.

Or maybe it´s the fact that I can get the handheld experience I´m looking for elsewhere.

This isn't about Fanboys or anything such as that. This is about factual information here.

Your examples simply don't hold water at all and show ignorance on your part. You essentially claimed that Vita is devoid of pick up and play games, which is false, and even manage to list a game (Plants vs Zombies) that actually IS available on the system already.

If you were looking for quick pick-up and play games you should have avoided Uncharted.

If you were to buy Resident Evil Revelations for 3DS you'd run into the same problems.

 

[cws]

I just saw the Vita on 30 Rock. It was slightly visible for about 5 seconds. Western support should kick in any minute now.

I still think we should wait till e3 before calling it dead.

This looked so stupid - Tracy Jordan using Vita to listen to music lawl.

 

[GraveRobberX]

The only thing that is keeping me away from purchasing from more Vita titles is the damn price point of certain games

I understand Rayman Origins asking price, but WHY IN THE BLUE FUCK is Dungeon Defender $39.99 for VITA, yet $12.99 for PSN, I just don't understand this
What the fuck changed to get the $27 tax hike?, there's no DLC included or of any sort, I even checked the trophy lists, yes it has a new shiny plat + extra trophies, but the main PSN trophies are still there

They really need to Tier Based Pricing, if you were on PSN, you can't go above $20, if you are retail counterpart to a title for PS3 $29.99, if new IP or solely created for Vita $34.99-$49.99

 

[DangerousDave]

I think I'll go to a 3DS thread and I'll say:

That 3DS don't offer a good portable experience. And huge loading times.

That I only bought the 3DS with Resident Evil Revelations.

That I already sold my 3DS because I already have other platforms to play portable games.

And I'll accuse all the people that answer me of fanboys.

 

[androvsky]

This is the part I agree with.

Maybe not only, but it seems to be the focus of this machine.

You mentioned Mario Kart, but there's 5 different racing games on the Vita already, three of which are made by Sony. Uncharted is just one game, and it doesn't force you to play very long at all. You do know you can hit a button and pause the system at any time, right?

If anything was the focus of the Vita, it was Wipeout 2048 and all the other racing games at launch. This week was all about the pinball games (one announced, one launched). By the end of the month, there should be legit homebrew, and the summer is for the music games (not necessarily in the West).

Uncharted:GA isn't the focus, and it doesn't have 20-minute cutscenes, I'm willing to bet. Uncharted 2's longest was 5 minutes.

 

[GlamFM]

I think I'll go to a 3DS thread and I'll say:

That 3DS don't offer a good portable experience. And huge loading times.

That I only bought the 3DS with Resident Evil Revelations.

That I already sold my 3DS because I already have other platforms to play portable games.

And I'll accuse all the people that answer me of fanboys.

Relax.

 

[dark10x]

Relax.

At least you can see how ridiculous you sounded.

 

[DangerousDave]

The only thing that is keeping me away from purchasing from more Vita titles is the damn price point of certain games

Some companies are being VERY greedy with the games (as usual). But the biggest differences between Vita (and, maybe even 3DS) from the previous gen portables (PSP-DS) is that, at least, there are a lot of good games in the 0$-15$ range.

 

[GlamFM]

At least you can see how ridiculous you sounded.

Agreed. I leave this thread in shame.

 

[madmaxx350]

Some companies are being VERY greedy with the games (as usual). But the biggest differences between Vita (and, maybe even 3DS) from the previous gen portables (PSP-DS) is that, at least, there are a lot of good games in the 0$-15$ range.

I still can't bring myself to buy PvZ though, I had just bought it on my Fire for $3 and it's 15 on PSN.

 

[dark10x]

Agreed. I leave this thread in shame.

No need to leave the thread. It's not like people are chasing you out.

What pushed you to buy a Vita in the first place? Why did you only select Uncharted? Were you a fan of that series prior to this? Did you actually take a look at the library before buying?

I'm just curious to know what would trigger such actions on your part.

 

[michaelius]

I should have know that I was entering heavy fanboy territory..

However I guess you guys are probably right and I should´t have sold my VITA this early.

But I did.

Maybe it´s Uncharteds fault, the only game i bought for it.

Or maybe it´s the fact that I can get the handheld experience I´m looking for elsewhere.

When i was in middle of VC mission on PSP i used sleep mode to finish it on my way home.
Last time i checked that functionality is still there in Vita (and greatly improved + faster)

 

[Seventy5]

I work in game retail and I own a vita. For most people, it just needs more games. I have preorders from people for every announced title, and I have been selling way more psn cards since it came out. The demand is there, people are dumbstruck by our demo unit, but they just want more stuff on the shelf. I think Black Ops 2 will be huge. Personally, i couldn't be happier with mine. I've already bought 11 retail games, 6 download games and about 10 PSP games. Just give it some time.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

All of this doom and gloom seems eerily familiar. Seems like 2007 all over again with the PS3. Anyway, we've seen several projects announced recently for the Vita, so I doubt that support for it is drying up.

The PS3 saw its first price drop 8 months after launch. Also, there were already huge exclusive games announced before launch like MGS4.

 

[Trancetronic]

I think both handhelds are good. 3DS is really more of a social multiplayer ready handheld, and PS VITA for the people who prefer a console quality title on the go. I know blahblahblah MGS3D Resident Evil blahblahblah are good too. It's just up to the person's taste. I would get a Vita, but for that price of a unit, a memory stick and a game is equal to about 4-5 3DS or DS games. Economy, people. Economy.

 

[GraveRobberX]

I still can't bring myself to buy PvZ though, I had just bought it on my Fire for $3 and it's 15 on PSN.

I couldn't resist =/

I got PVZ for PSN free through PSN+, played it for a few days, got a little tired, shelved it, was jonesing for a tower defense game, booted it up, completed it to 100%

There still was an itch, so I double dipped

Can play on my HDTV, also have it on the go just as a back-up when I need to waste time away when I'm away from the PS3

So $14.99 wasn't that much of a hit, hell it has a platinum to boot, so it'll keep me entertained for awhile, and will keep playing afterwards

Wish more games like this existed on the PSN

 

[dark10x]

I think both handhelds are good. 3DS is really more of a social multiplayer ready handheld, and PS VITA for the people who prefer a console quality title on the go. I know blahblahblah MGS3D Resident Evil blahblahblah are good too. It's just up to the person's taste. I would get a Vita, but for that price of a unit, a memory stick and a game is equal to about 4-5 3DS or DS games. Economy, people. Economy.

I don't really see how the 3DS is any different than PSP or Vita in its focus (aside from the inclusion of Nintendo software, of course, which is a big deal).

 

[madmaxx350]

I couldn't resist =/

I got PVZ for PSN free through PSN+, played it for a few days, got a little tired, shelved it, was jonesing for a tower defense game, booted it up, completed it to 100%

There still was an itch, so I double dipped

Can play on my HDTV, also have it on the go just as a back-up when I need to waste time away when I'm away from the PS3

So $14.99 wasn't that much of a hit, hell it has a platinum to boot, so it'll keep me entertained for awhile, and will keep playing afterwards

Wish more games like this existed on the PSN

Quit tempting me dammit. I resits buying it everyday.

 

[chickdigger802]

I can play pvsz on the vita too.


I can switch between motorstorm, mutant blobs and super stardust in mere seconds without changing game cartridges but via a couple finger flicks on the UI. These games takes seconds to load too.


Maybe it's your fault for playing a true home console game on your handheld? Maybe you should have played it on your couch? A dumbed down uncharted without exploration, story or cutscenes wouldn't be an uncharted game. Where you expecting a on-rails shooter maybe?


Believe it or not some people like playing handhelds at home. I have a ps3 and a pc with 200+games on steam, yet I always manage to squeeze some vita time.

wait wait... there are vita games that boot up super fast?

motorstorm takes forever to get from live screen to an in game race the last time I checked. All the demos take forever too.

 

[madmaxx350]

wait wait... there are vita games that boot up super fast?

motorstorm takes forever to get from live screen to an in game race the last time I checked. All the demos take forever too.

takes maybe 5-10s to boot up Mutant Blob, maybe even less. Stardust too.

 

[Trancetronic]

I don't really see how the 3DS is any different than PSP or Vita in its focus (aside from the inclusion of Nintendo software, of course, which is a big deal).

Usually the consensus I get from people is that Nintendo handhelds get all of the Nintendo software plus a few niche games here and there, and most people get Sony handhelds for console quality RPGs and games. People say Nintendo's handhelds are too kiddy, blahblahetc and Sony is a "grown mans" company. I don't understand it either.

 

[kuroshiki]

wait wait... there are vita games that boot up super fast?

motorstorm takes forever to get from live screen to an in game race the last time I checked. All the demos take forever too.

I don't know what you mean by boot up, but dynasty warriors boot up around 3 sec.

 

[sajj316]

I don't really see how the 3DS is any different than PSP or Vita in its focus (aside from the inclusion of Nintendo software, of course, which is a big deal).

I agree. I don't see much of difference outside of price, titles, and maybe use of 3D versus twin sticks.

Also .. I don't see this as support dying. Support hasn't started. We still need the following and I think a combination of these will be the #gamechanger.

1. Android and iOS ports (same price) via PS Suite
2. More support and options for PSP DD titles (expand to the NeoGeo titles as well)
3. PS One support
4. Full Remote Play support. CFW PS3 titles can do it with issue of course. For me, I would just get a Vita for Remote Play if it latency isn't an issue and if all titles can be played including PSN. I would even be satisfied with 80-90% compatibility
5. More apps like Amazon Prime, YouTube, Hulu+, etc ..
6. reduction of hardware price and memory cards. Faster memory cards as well. Hoping that future iterations will have internal memory

 

[Skilletor]

I don't really see how the 3DS is any different than PSP or Vita in its focus (aside from the inclusion of Nintendo software, of course, which is a big deal).

I would say the Vita is the more social handheld also.

 

[Nekobo]

If only support for this thread was dying, cheesus crust. First year, two months in, wait for E3, this is NeoGAF, etc etc.

 

[dark10x]

wait wait... there are vita games that boot up super fast?

motorstorm takes forever to get from live screen to an in game race the last time I checked. All the demos take forever too.

They really don't take that much more time (if any) to boot up than similar games on 3DS, though.

Wipeout 2048 is one exception to that, unfortunately, as it does suffer from lengthy load times, but that is not the norm.

 

[sajj316]

They really don't take that much more time (if any) to boot up than similar games on 3DS, though.

Wipeout 2048 is one exception to that, unfortunately, as it does suffer from lengthy load times, but that is not the norm.

dark10x, even with the patch, it's still bad? Is there a difference between the card versus DD in load times?