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Freshmaker said:
Still don't get this distinction in the context of the fight. Fake Black Bolt still managed to blow off a chunk of the moon large enough to cause a tidal wave on earth. That was no pantywaist shot Hulk took the second time around.

Franklin is the son of Reed and Sue Richards. Rachel is the daughter of Scott Summers and Jean Grey. Both of which are supremely powerful psionic talents already. (Franklin's so dangerous with his reality warping powers that he's been lobotomized by Reed, killed etc to keep a lid on how cheap he really is.)
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i think youre probably more on the up and up with cannon then me honestly. The marvel retcon being the reason he got pwned hard is cause he was a skrull.
 
Puddles said:
Thor is the lamest character in Marvel.

Characters that should be able to beat Thor easily (partial list):

Hulk
Silver Surfer
Spiderman
Magneto
Wolverine
Jubilee
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Sheesh. Wht not troll harder with Mole Man and The Purple Man as well?
 
Gr1mLock said:
oh yea i forgot about this...(although it was fairly recent and he didn't really do much...but the implications)

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Dark Phoenix Wolverine!
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.................I'm starting to run out of words for this shit.
 
Freshmaker said:
Still don't get this distinction in the context of the fight. Fake Black Bolt still managed to blow off a chunk of the moon large enough to cause a tidal wave on earth. That was no pantywaist shot Hulk took the second time around.
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besides the Spiderwoman motion comics, i havent gotten around to the Skrull Invasion stories yet. Im thinking of going with Marvel Girl and Thunderbolts trades for that.
so yeah, i have no idea why a Skrull would be able to fake the powers so well. Even then, when Hulk brings the body back to Earth, it does not de-transform, or no one investigates. Hulk left the body to go destroy the X-Mansion. You would think someone would check on Black Bolt's body to see if he were still alive even.
 
DiatribeEQ said:
The "Essential Thor" folks from yore are:

Walter Simonson
Ron Frenz/Bret Breeding
John Buscema/Tom Palmer
& whomever is inking Copiel at the time.

90% of the time anyone else who did the title (other than perhaps JRjr) did the title serious injustice.
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heh...walt simonson was one of my instructors.
 
I always felt that the Summers side of the equation had more to do with acting as an "instability" agent, allowing a Summers/Grey offspring to manifest their powers much sooner (both baby Rachel and baby Nathan had psionic powers) than the usual adolescents stage, and without the subconscious mental restraints, thus making them ideal weapons for Sinister.

Nathan Grey was burning himself out at first everytime he used his powers at a high level
 
Freshmaker said:
Sheesh. Who not troll harder with Mole Man and The Purple Man as well?
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well..aside from god awful ultimates 3 in which mags pwned thor..(i love magneto but..no fucking way) this list confuses me. Besides the only name that SHOULD have been on it is the destroyer.. as he actually managed to KILL Thor.
 
Chamber said:
Franklin is the son of Reed and Sue.
Rachel is the daughter of Scott and Jean
from an alternate future
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Freshmaker said:
Still don't get this distinction in the context of the fight. Fake Black Bolt still managed to blow off a chunk of the moon large enough to cause a tidal wave on earth. That was no pantywaist shot Hulk took the second time around.
Franklin is the son of Reed and Sue Richards. Rachel is the daughter of Scott Summers and Jean Grey. Both of which are supremely powerful psionic talents already. (Franklin's so dangerous with his reality warping powers that he's been lobotomized by Reed, killed etc to keep a lid on how cheap he really is.)
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Pardon my French......but fuck that shit....like for real.

Thats not even fair...even from my limited knowledge. Why dont we have The One Above All and like The Beyonder have a kid?

If I could I would slap whoever came up with that idea.
 
Freshmaker said:
Sheesh. Who not troll harder with Mole Man and The Purple Man as well?
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Honestly, if Magneto can't even beat a craptastic character like Thor, he should just retire from the Marvel universe.
 
Puddles said:
Honestly, if Magneto can't even beat a craptastic character like Thor, he should just retire from the Marvel universe.
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And that'd be awesome until Chuck Austen brought him back right after.
 
Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz said:
Pardon my French......but fuck that shit....like for real.

Thats not even fair...even from my limited knowledge. Why dont we have The One Above All and like The Beyonder have a kid?

If I could I would slap whoever came up with that idea.
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Narag said:
And that'd be awesome until Chuck Austen brought him back right after.
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no no..you got it all wrong...grant morrison says that it wasnt even magneto in the first place..it was some other dude dressed as a bellhop with the wrench in genosha.
 
Btw, it must really suck for Quicksilver. Son of MUTHAF#@ING MAGNETO... but one sister, Polaris, inherits his awesome magnetic power, the other sister, Scarlet Witch, is a reality warper... and he just gets his silver hair and can run really fast... gotta be emasculating
 
Gr1mLock said:
well..aside from god awful ultimates 3 in which mags pwned thor..(i love magneto but..no fucking way) this list confuses me. Besides the only name that SHOULD have been on it is the destroyer.. as he actually managed to KILL Thor.
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Yeah. Come to think of it, Beta Ray Bill managed to fight Galactus and his herald at the same time. (Galactus finally managed to zap him, but Bill managed to crack G's armor and the herald was not able to hold Bill off.) Surfer probably couldn't take Thor one on one.

Also Ultimate Thor doesn't count.

"Hey government dudes. I remember being a god."
"Cool. Here's a force field harness that will fake super strength and invulnerability and a lightning generating hammer we built."
Not surprising that Magneto stomped him.

Ultimate Thor has all the innate powers that Booster Gold does.
 
Freshmaker said:
Yeah. Come to think of it, Beta Ray Bill managed to fight Galactus and his herald at the same time. (Galactus finally managed to zap him, but Bill managed to crack G's armor and the herald was not able to hold Bill off.) Surfer probably couldn't take Thor one on one.

Also Ultimate Thor doesn't count.

"Hey government dudes. I remember being a god."
"Cool. Here's a force field harness that will fake super strength and invulnerability and a lightning generating hammer we built."
Not surprising that Magneto stomped him.

Ultimate Thor has all the innate powers that Booster Gold does.
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i really do wish that some ultimate 'properties' would carry over to the regular universe. Ultimate cap is too fucking bad ass. Hippie Thor is sort of meh..
 
Freshmaker said:
Yeah. Come to think of it, Beta Ray Bill managed to fight Galactus and his herald at the same time. (Galactus finally managed to zap him, but Bill managed to crack G's armor and the herald was not able to hold Bill off.) Surfer probably couldn't take Thor one on one.

Also Ultimate Thor doesn't count.

"Hey government dudes. I remember being a god."
"Cool. Here's a force field harness that will fake super strength and invulnerability and a lightning generating hammer we built."
Not surprising that Magneto stomped him.

Ultimate Thor has all the innate powers that Booster Gold does.
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Stardust Vs Bill was basically a stalemate. Epic fight though. I think that was the best display of two heavyweight comic book characters going at it I've seen.

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Puddles said:
Thor is the lamest character in Marvel.

Characters that should be able to beat Thor easily (partial list):

Hulk
Silver Surfer
Spiderman
Magneto
Wolverine
Jubilee
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I don't know man, being able to throw mlojnir at like 2 times the speed of light, being able to control weather, and opening up interdimensional gates with the ability to keep the hulk at bay isn't really something to laugh at.

He's also got the highest theoretical physical strength iirc.
 
OmniGamer said:
Btw, it must really suck for Quicksilver. Son of MUTHAF#@ING MAGNETO... but one sister, Polaris, inherits his awesome magnetic power, the other sister, Scarlet Witch, is a reality warper... and he just gets his silver hair and can run really fast... gotta be emasculating
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Can Quicksilver do any of the crazy stuff that Flash is capable of?
 
the_log_ride said:
Can Quicksilver do any of the crazy stuff that Flash is capable of?
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Nope. The JLA/Avengers crossover made clear that as speedsters go, Quicksilver ain't shit compared to Flash thanks to the good ol Speed Force. Quicksilver was real salty about it too.
 
Chamber said:
Well considering that strike didn't harm Stardust at all, yes.
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Still, given Stardust's goals, Bill came out on top. He wasn't especially good at keeping Bill from blowing up planets before Galactus could feed.
 
ReiGun said:
Nope. The JLA/Avengers crossover made clear that as speedsters go, Quicksilver ain't shit compared to Flash thanks to the good ol Speed Force. Quicksilver was real salty about it too.
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Ah, that's a shame
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Thor did not take kindly to being cloned either. He had some things to say to Tony when he returned:
(the lead up to the scene is nice, but I would not really call this a fight. Before these pages, Thor hit Iron Man once or twice, then decided to end it.)

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And afterwards, Tony complains about the suit being broken and not being able to get home. And Thor tells him to take a walk.



Cheap in the fact that they talk about how uber powerful he is, but in the end he is rather lame and never really shows off. Apocalypse is very overrated.
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this is why I love Thor <3
 
Freshmaker said:
Still, given Stardust's goals, Bill came out on top. He wasn't especially good at keeping Bill from blowing up planets before Galactus could feed.
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Maybe. Just saying the two were functionally equal in that fight and neither could get the upper hand.
 
Chamber said:
Is he really? I thought he came off more badass than all of the non-Surfer heralds typically do.
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well, if it's a fight between him and Terrax, terrax wins, if it's the surfer the surfer would win also I think.
and I think morg would beat him easily too. him and firelord would probably tie, but I think he could beat Nova (Frankie Raye) here is a list of everyone who has ever beena herald of galactus, alternate timeline or otherwise.

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/misterz173/heralds-of-galactus/75-15705/
 
sleepykyo said:
I haven't read any comics for a while (too rich for my blood), but some poster in this thread put it as: just follow the writers/arcs you like instead of worrying about the continuity.
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That makes no fucking sense.
 
PounchEnvy said:
All's I'm saying is the fans love him and he's everywhere. :P

But the writers need to give that guy some breathing space.
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larsen and roger cruz wolvie run would have pleased you i think. Fucking larsen had wolvie fighting galactus. I loved how outlandish it was.
 
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