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[Puddles]

so. this is what "super-lame" looks like.

Nope, this is:

 

[Freshmaker]

Nope, this is:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/thor-mrv.jpg

This is weird.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Thor is fucking awesome. PERIOD.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Thor is fucking awesome. PERIOD.

MIGHTY PUNISH

 

[Narag]

Thor is fucking awesome. PERIOD.

Except in The Incredible Hulk Returns.
And that costume.

 

[Oblivion]

I'm still laughing at your reaction to the engima force. It was perfect.

Dude, that enigma force shit tops even this enormous offense for me.

12/07 nevar forget.

:eaglecry

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Except in The Incredible Hulk Returns.
And that costume.

what's wrong with his costume?

 

[Freshmaker]

MIGHTY PUNISH

Oof. More like backdash instead.

 

[Narag]

what's wrong with his costume?

Just never been a fan of that particular iteration as it gives me weird Imperiex vibes it has no right to do. I'm also partial to the older costumes like his battle armor even though he liquified himself in it.

 

[Puddles]

He's also got the highest theoretical physical strength iirc.

That's pretty stupid too.

Characters that should have significantly higher physical strength than Thor (partial list):

Hulk
Juggernaut
Abomination
The Thing
Rhino

 

[SilentProtagonist]

oh yea i forgot about this...(although it was fairly recent and he didn't really do much...but the implications)

Dark Phoenix Wolverine!

I wanna see Dark Phoenix Dark Claw...... with a GL power ring.

 

[LaserBuddha]

When it's obvious that you're trying to troll, Puddles, it's no longer trolling. It's just being annoying. A little subtlety/restraint next time would be advised for maximum butthurt area of effect.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I wanna see Dark Phoenix Dark Claw...... with a GL power ring.

I CAN'T CONTROL IT
DIVE KICK
DIVE KICK
DIVE KICK

 

[Puddles]

When it's obvious that you're trying to troll, Puddles, it's no longer trolling. It's just being annoying. A little subtlety/restraint next time would be advised for maximum butthurt area of effect.

Rhino was the only troll name on that list.

 

[Parallax]

That's pretty stupid too.

Characters that should have significantly higher physical strength than Thor (partial list):

Hulk
Juggernaut
Abomination
The Thing
Rhino

rhino and thing? really?

 

[Oblivion]

I used to like Thor a lot in previous years, but I've kinda lost respect for him. Coincidentally, due to his fights with the Hulk.

 

[Momo]

rhino and thing? really?

We're being trolled.

 

[Slayven]

Can Quicksilver do any of the crazy stuff that Flash is capable of?

He has 484583458343 times the personalty of Barry.

 

[Puddles]

rhino and thing? really?

Why wouldn't Thing be stronger? That's pretty much the only thing he does. Thor has like a million other powers.

Versatile characters shouldn't be able to beat high-level characters who only specialize in one thing AT that one thing. Thor has a million ways to destroy Thing if they were to fight, but he shouldn't be able to beat him in an arm-wrestling contest on top of that.

 

[Momo]

Why wouldn't Thing be stronger? That's pretty much the only thing he does. Thor has like a million other powers.

Versatile characters shouldn't be able to beat high-level characters who only specialize in one thing AT that one thing. Thor has a million ways to destroy Thing if they were to fight, but he shouldn't be able to beat him in an arm-wrestling contest on top of that.

Thats not how it works.

 

[Mr. Sam]

I actually agree. For example, Superman should not be faster than The Flash. He isn't anyway.

 

[Momo]

I actually agree. For example, Superman should not be faster than The Flash. He isn't anyway.

should it be as you suppose, those that specialize be the "best" at something, I would agree yes. But thats not how it is in comic book continuity.

 

[Loam]

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing? I'm no comic book buff so correct me if I'm wrong here, but Spiderman's power comes from DNA mutation via exposure to a radioactive arachnid, and the Fantastic Four are pretty much the same deal except with a magical space wave or whatever. How can citizens in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men but adore these other heroes? In fact how would the even know these other heroes weren't X-Men style mutants? It becomes even more confusing when they have these cross over issues where everyone teams up to stop the big bad thingamajig and everyone receives praise except the X-men.

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

 

[beat]

Still don't get this distinction in the context of the fight. Fake Black Bolt still managed to blow off a chunk of the moon large enough to cause a tidal wave on earth. That was no pantywaist shot Hulk took the second time around.

]
So if the Skrulls are powerful enough to mimic Black Bolt's power levels, why was there even a Skrull-Kree war instead of a Kree genocide?


And Hyperstorm is a perfect example of mid-1990s silliness. (of course every decade has its own form of silliness.)

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing?[...]

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

They mostly gloss over it. Some times the public at large wonders if Spider-man is a mutant... But yeah, it mostly doesn't make sense.

 

[Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz]

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing? I'm no comic book buff so correct me if I'm wrong here, but Spiderman's power comes from DNA mutation via exposure to a radioactive arachnid, and the Fantastic Four are pretty much the same deal except with a magical space wave or whatever. How can citizens in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men but adore these other heroes? In fact how would the even know these other heroes weren't X-Men style mutants? It becomes even more confusing when they have these cross over issues where everyone teams up to stop the big bad thingamajig and everyone receives praise except the X-men.

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

Id like to hear the answer to this too!

 

[Finaika]

I've never considered him "evil", he's more or less a freedom fighter with mutant superiority complex.

It's like calling V evil.

He isnt a villain imo.. he believes that mutants are superior to humans and should rightfully be the dominant species. He has done some 'bad' shit as well as lots of 'good' shit. He definitely isn't a villain in the same vein as say Thanos.

Not evil. Just a dick.

But Magneto founded the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" lol.

 

[Gr1mLock]

But Magneto founded the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" lol.

he was just mis quoted..

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Didn't Magneto go around killing innocent people in the past? He may have reformed now, but at that point, he was definitely evil.

 

[karasu]

Why wouldn't Thing be stronger? That's pretty much the only thing he does. Thor has like a million other powers.

Versatile characters shouldn't be able to beat high-level characters who only specialize in one thing AT that one thing. Thor has a million ways to destroy Thing if they were to fight, but he shouldn't be able to beat him in an arm-wrestling contest on top of that.

That's a silly limitation.

 

[ReiGun]

Nope, this is:

Hot damn look at all that swag. Based God of Thunder could fuck all my bitches.

As for the X-Men question, in my short time reading comics the last year, I was under the impression that the citizenry of the marvel universe were pretty wary of non mutant heroes too. I mean generally, yeah, the Avengers have more supporters than the X-Men, but alot of characters have voiced concern over the super freaks in gaudy clothes running around unchecked. In the 1998 Black Panther series, the special agent assigned to assist T'challa asks "Who asked them to Avenge me?" Or something to that effect.

 

[jaxword]

Power Girl is the best superhero. If you disagree, you hate America.

 

[Momo]

Power Girl is the best superhero. If you disagree, you hate America.

I refuse to believe this, she has no superhero emblem

Spoiler

aaaaand here comes the cleavage

 

[Shouta]

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing? I'm no comic book buff so correct me if I'm wrong here, but Spiderman's power comes from DNA mutation via exposure to a radioactive arachnid, and the Fantastic Four are pretty much the same deal except with a magical space wave or whatever. How can citizens in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men but adore these other heroes? In fact how would the even know these other heroes weren't X-Men style mutants? It becomes even more confusing when they have these cross over issues where everyone teams up to stop the big bad thingamajig and everyone receives praise except the X-men.

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

I think the logic is that the X-men are a result of humans changing without outside influence on their DNA and etc. It signifies that anyone can gain powers and even the bad folks and that humanity is changing into something else. With others like Spider-man or the Fantastic Four, they received their powers as a result of an accident or a strange occurrence. They would be regular humans if not for that external influence. Intent could also be an issue.

But then again, it's probably just "lol, comic book logic"

 

[AKingNamedPaul]

I think the logic is that the X-men are a result of humans changing without outside influence on their DNA and etc. It signifies that anyone can gain powers and even the bad folks and that humanity is changing into something else. With others like Spider-man or the Fantastic Four, they received their powers as a result of an accident or a strange occurrence. They would be regular humans if not for that external influence. Intent could also be an issue.

But then again, it's probably just "lol, comic book logic"

Also the tension of mutants being an evolution of humanity would cause some hatred. With anyone able to receive powers it is an actual threat to humans. If it was just cyclops and he was all about saving people, I'm sure things would be different.

 

[Chuckie]

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing? I'm no comic book buff so correct me if I'm wrong here, but Spiderman's power comes from DNA mutation via exposure to a radioactive arachnid, and the Fantastic Four are pretty much the same deal except with a magical space wave or whatever. How can citizens in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men but adore these other heroes? In fact how would the even know these other heroes weren't X-Men style mutants? It becomes even more confusing when they have these cross over issues where everyone teams up to stop the big bad thingamajig and everyone receives praise except the X-men.

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

I think (especially in the beginning) these comics where created 'stand-alone'. So a writer would just want to tell a certain story and not minding some sort of 'Marvel Universe'.
The problems probably started with crossovers, teams combining and shit getting much more complicated.


A good retcon reason would probably be what Shouta said.

 

[Blackace]

Thor is fucking awesome. PERIOD.

Is awesome the new code word for sucks hairy balls? Kids today and their lingo

 

[Finaika]

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing? I'm no comic book buff so correct me if I'm wrong here, but Spiderman's power comes from DNA mutation via exposure to a radioactive arachnid, and the Fantastic Four are pretty much the same deal except with a magical space wave or whatever. How can citizens in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men but adore these other heroes? In fact how would the even know these other heroes weren't X-Men style mutants? It becomes even more confusing when they have these cross over issues where everyone teams up to stop the big bad thingamajig and everyone receives praise except the X-men.

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

Mutants are like a race, so humans with their prejudice are naturally afraid of a race that is different & superior to them. Superheroes are individuals.

Or something.

 

[Black_Stride]

Power Girl is the best superhero. If you disagree, you hate America.

I hate America.

 

[V_Arnold]

Off topic here but coming from someone who rarely reads comic books I need a question answered. Recently I've been getting into X-Men, and one of the most common issues they seem to face is how the public is essentially anti-mutant. Yet other heroes from the Marvel universe like Spiderman or the Fantastic Four seem to get idolized. Are they not the same thing? I'm no comic book buff so correct me if I'm wrong here, but Spiderman's power comes from DNA mutation via exposure to a radioactive arachnid, and the Fantastic Four are pretty much the same deal except with a magical space wave or whatever. How can citizens in the Marvel universe hate the X-Men but adore these other heroes? In fact how would the even know these other heroes weren't X-Men style mutants? It becomes even more confusing when they have these cross over issues where everyone teams up to stop the big bad thingamajig and everyone receives praise except the X-men.

Do they ever explain this, or is this one of those "LoL comic book lore" moments?

Oh, they explained it alright, a lot of events were dedicated to this, it was the main theme for X-Men for quite some time (20-30 years at least).

The thing is simple: the mutants were the next evolutionary step compared to humans. With mutant gene, the future was mutantkind, humans are "last week's story" at most. X-Men was created not to hop on this, but rather to preserve the human-mutant relations, one that was mostly countered by the efforts of "evil" mutants, "misunderstood" mutants and similar organizations. The Sentinels for example were the results of human's best effort against the all-too-powerful, varied powerset-wielder mutants.

Now, flash forward, and with M-Day, most of this issues have been solved. Mutants became "endgangered species" (this exact wording was used in the comics also, for a main theme after M-Day), and it was all about sharks smelling blood in the water. Which led to Osborn's Dark Reign movements, which in turn created the haven that is called "Utopia" right now, a sovereign state outside of UN's influence.

Now, the thing is with Spider-Man and FF is different. They are "superheroes", results of genetic modifying, accidents, radoiactive events - they are not something that endangers a whole race. Now, they can be just as dangerous, and this was the theme that led to a cathastrophe and a "Civil war" (again: name of the event), which had the theme of "if superheroes are guns, who gave them the license to shoot?". So Mutants vs Humans as a theme was explored for quite some time, and supeheroes vs "unlicenced super heroes" were another theme, which was quite similar in some regards, but different in others.

 

[Momo]

Is awesome the new code word for sucks hairy balls? Kids today and their lingo

Why do you dislike Thor, he's by far the best thing going in Marvel imo

 

[Chuckie]

Why do you dislike Thor, he's by far the best thing going in Marvel imo

I have disliked him since I was a kid. This was purely based on a feeling.

Norse mythology + American superheroes = wtf???

I have always liked both, but for me as a kid it didn't make sense at all that those two got mixed up. It's like watching a movie about knights and suddenly a ninja shows up.
Ninja's are cool... but gtfo my knight-film.

Norse Gods are cool... but gtfo my superhero-comics.

All said above is based on a 'feeling' I have when I see those two together, so don't bother with huge pieces of text with 'origin stories' or why it actually is totally normal Norse Gods are walking around in the Marvel Universe

 

[Blackace]

Why do you dislike Thor, he's by far the best thing going in Marvel imo

Admittedly I don't follow comics very much anymore.. But he is a god. And kicks it with spiderman... That is just stupid..

Plus he looks half beach bum and half buttrocker and I cannot get behind that

 

[beat]

Now, the thing is with Spider-Man and FF is different. They are "superheroes", results of genetic modifying, accidents, radoiactive events - they are not something that endangers a whole race.

But realistically, how would the public at large be convinced the FF/Spider-Man/etc weren't mutants? Oh, they say they got their powers through some other method! Well then, I don't know why we ever worried!

Norse mythology + American superheroes = wtf???

I have always liked both, but for me as a kid it didn't make sense at all that those two got mixed up. It's like watching a movie about knights and suddenly a ninja shows up.
Ninja's are cool... but gtfo my knight-film.

Norse Gods are cool... but gtfo my superhero-comics.

You're missing out. The Walter Simonson run on Thor is some of the best stuff anywhere.

Also, you probably wouldn't like the "Cowboy Ninja Viking" comic.

 

[V_Arnold]

I have disliked him since I was a kid. This was purely based on a feeling.

Norse mythology + American superheroes = wtf???

I have always liked both, but for me as a kid it didn't make sense at all that those two got mixed up. It's like watching a movie about knights and suddenly a ninja shows up.
Ninja's are cool... but gtfo my knight-film.

Norse Gods are cool... but gtfo my superhero-comics.

All said above is based on a 'feeling' I have when I see those two together, so don't bother with huge pieces of text with 'origin stories' or why it actually is totally normal Norse Gods are walking around in the Marvel Universe

You sir, got it all wrong. It is not "Norse Gods walking around in the Marvel Universe".
It is more like "Marvel Universe's Norse Gods walking around in THEIR universe".

Not the same.

But realistically, how would the public at large be convinced the FF/Spider-Man/etc weren't mutants? Oh, they say they got their powers through some other method! Well then, I don't know why we ever worried!

This was not the core problem. Mob can be manipulated into hating everything, Spidey got its own fair share of public hate every now and then. The mutant problem was that more and more child was born as mutants. Spider-Man and other heroes,regardless of what they say or what they are, wont make your child into a "monster with abilities", the mutant gene does. The anti-mutant movement was not against the invididual mutants, but against the mutations themselves. There is a difference. Angry mobs waving signs are ofc a different matter, that can happen against everything, lol.

 

[Momo]

I have disliked him since I was a kid. This was purely based on a feeling.

Norse mythology + American superheroes = wtf???

I have always liked both, but for me as a kid it didn't make sense at all that those two got mixed up. It's like watching a movie about knights and suddenly a ninja shows up.
Ninja's are cool... but gtfo my knight-film.

Norse Gods are cool... but gtfo my superhero-comics.

All said above is based on a 'feeling' I have when I see those two together, so don't bother with huge pieces of text with 'origin stories' or why it actually is totally normal Norse Gods are walking around in the Marvel Universe

Fair enough really, I get similar feelings regarding the Olympian Gods.

Admittedly I don't follow comics very much anymore.. But he is a god. And kicks it with spiderman... That is just stupid..

Plus he looks half beach bum and half buttrocker and I cannot get behind that

Hahaha, he doesnt look so silly anymore, but I get what you guys are saying.

You sir, got it all wrong. It is not "Norse Gods walking around in the Marvel Universe".
It is more like "Marvel Universe's Norse Gods walking around in THEIR universe".

Not the same.

Also this

 

[jaxword]

Admittedly I don't follow comics very much anymore.. But he is a god. And kicks it with spiderman... That is just stupid..

Plus he looks half beach bum and half buttrocker and I cannot get behind that

Lately he's been going around in full armor, like in the actual THOR movie. Which was pretty good, for what it tried to do.

 

[Finaika]

I guess I just don't like Thor because he is just not very original. Let's take a Norse god and turn him into a superhero!

Spiderman, Wolverine, Hulk etc are original characters.

 

[Chuckie]

You sir, got it all wrong. It is not "Norse Gods walking around in the Marvel Universe".
It is more like "Marvel Universe's Norse Gods walking around in THEIR universe".

Not the same.

I thought I made it abundantly clear it was based on a feeling. Yet (as expected) someone is trying to rationalize it.

 

[Momo]

I guess I just don't like Thor because he is just not very original. Let's take a Norse god and turn him into a superhero!

Spiderman, Wolverine, Hulk etc are original characters.

To be fair none of the ~man characters are really all that clever.

Spider-man - Dude with spider powers
Super-man - A man with super human powers
Bat-man - Dude with a bat like persona
Wonderwo-man - A woman with super human powers etc

Thor is different enough from mythology to at least be in the same bracket as most of these in term or originality.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

I'm also on The Sentry-boat.

I LOVE Marvel characters, but man, really?

By the way, this is my fisrt post, I've just been validated!