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[Manmademan]

What if another person went through the same thing Dr. Manhattan did to get his powers, and there were two Dr. Manhattans? Could one fully destroy the other?

This actually happened in an issue of Silver Surfer. (someone made an exact duplicate with equal strength and abilities.) The more skilled of the two (original surfer) simply drained the copy and absorbed his powers.
Manhattan and Surfer are basically the same dude powerset wise, so I'd expect it to end roughly the same way.

 

[Hot Coldman]

What if another person went through the same thing Dr. Manhattan did to get his powers, and there were two Dr. Manhattans? Could one fully destroy the other?

They'd probably just have a massive orgy.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Never read the comic books, but reading wiki, it seems like he's got a hell of a character arc - multiple personalities and super unlimited powers?

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Superman is only stronger when DC Comics cry and Marvel makes some concessions to make them feel better. =P

 

[Angry Grimace]

Superman is only stronger when DC Comics cry and Marvel makes some concessions to make them feel better. =P

Yeah, but Superman at least has finite powers. Not that I've read all the Superman comics either. And I always used to think Goku from Dragonball was overpowered. Sheesh.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Murderous Prime would take everybody out. Powered with dark energon.

what, what.

 

[Manmademan]

Murderous Prime would take everybody out. Powered with dark energon.

what, what.

Murderous Prime? Is that a transformer? Not Prime But...

THAT'S embarrassing.

 

[Emily Chu]

Dr. Manhattan

 

[NEO0MJ]

Murderous Prime doesn't even need dark energon, dude was crazy enough as it is.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Murderous Prime? Is that a transformer? Not Prime But...
.

Naw man, Bayformer Prime. Then inject some dark energon into him.

Or shockwave from the old comics.

I just want a transformer to fuck up Hulk somehow, haha.

And that panel is probably a weak ass Seeker,

 

[Manmademan]

Naw man, Bayformer Prime. Then inject some dark energon into him.

Or shockwave from the old comics.

I just want a transformer to fuck up Hulk somehow, haha.

And that panel is probably a weak ass Seeker,

That's an (alternate) version of starscream, getting fucked up by snake eyes. Ordinarily I'd say it was nonsense, but snake eyes is a boss.

Hulk is too much for transformers- can't really see that one happening.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

That's an (alternate) version of starscream, getting fucked up by snake eyes. Ordinarily I'd say it was nonsense, but snake eyes is a boss.

Hulk is too much for transformers- can't really see that one happening.

The fan boy in me wants a crazy one off where Megatron or Galvatron open up a space bridge accidentally to earth, and they try to invade and the Avengers/F4 have to fight them off.

But all the Cons have Bayformer Prime level powers. And Hulk has to fight a crazy psycho badass Galvatron.

 

[Manmademan]

The fan boy in me wants a crazy one off where Megatron or Galvatron open up a space bridge accidentally to earth, and they try to invade and the Avengers/F4 have to fight them off.

But all the Cons have Bayformer Prime level powers. And Hulk has to fight a crazy psycho badass Galvatron.

There was already a New Avengers/Transformers Crossover, though it might not be exactly what you're looking for...

Spider man hits with about 10 tons of force, Cage is somewhere around 30-50. Iron Man and Ms. Marvel are somewhere around 75ish?

Hulk, Thor, and Hercules have lifting/hitting feats in the million ton range. An invasion wouldn't last very long.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

There was already a New Avengers/Transformers Crossover, though it might not be exactly what you're looking for...

Spider man hits with about 10 tons of force, Cage is somewhere around 30-50. Iron Man and Ms. Marvel are somewhere around 75ish?

Hulk, Thor, and Hercules have lifting/hitting feats in the million ton range. An invasion wouldn't last very long.

That's cool. I'll check it out. Man, I remember Spidey taking on Cons in the 80's Transformers comics as well. They must hate him, haha.

I think the Fallen could take on Iron Man at least though, with his ROTF powers. He only got wrecked by a juiced up from robot heaven Prime, hehe.

 

[Manmademan]

That's cool. I'll check it out. Man, I remember Spidey taking on Cons in the 80's Transformers comics as well. They must hate him, haha.

I think the Fallen could take on Iron Man at least though, with his ROTF powers. He only got wrecked by a juiced up from robot heaven Prime, hehe.

I vaguely remember this- had forgotten all about it.

 

[Utako]

A Hulk-ified Transformer would be boss.

Megatron with organic implants goes hulk.

 

[Kinyou]

This actually happened in an issue of Silver Surfer. (someone made an exact duplicate with equal strength and abilities.) The more skilled of the two (original surfer) simply drained the copy and absorbed his powers.
Manhattan and Surfer are basically the same dude powerset wise, so I'd expect it to end roughly the same way.

Wait, Silver Surfer is as powerful as Dr. Manhattan? Then why.... is he still surfing?

I mean, let's be honest. It looks a little silly.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I vaguely remember this- had forgotten all about it.

man, I looked it up. They kinda just basically redone an old panel in the new one you posted. heh.

haha, stupid Megs.

Utako:

They could get crazy and branch from the Beast Machines stuff were they were merging with organic stuff.

I am just getting back into current Transformers comics, so I don't know what power levels are going on there just yet.

 

[mantidor]

This thread is a nice reminder of why I never could get much into comic books. I love fantasy, and I love science-fiction, but it has to make at least a little bit of sense, suspension of disbelief can only go so far.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Why I hate shows like Doctor Who because of how OP the Time Lords are. It makes DBZ look tame by comparison.

I don't really get this complaint. In the recent series there's really only one (well... one and a half) Timelords still around, and the Doctor is just really clever.

Their only real "OP" ability is regenerating, and even then it's been hinted you only get 12 of them. And sure, they can time travel, but there's limits there too and they need a TARDIS to make it happen.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I'm so scared.

 

[noah111]

This thread is a nice reminder of why I never could get much into comic books. I love fantasy, and I love science-fiction, but it has to make at least a little bit of sense, suspension of disbelief can only go so far.

Depends on what you choose to read, tbh.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

I don't really get this complaint. In the recent series there's really only one (well... one and a half) Timelords still around, and the Doctor is just really clever.

Their only real "OP" ability is regenerating, and even then it's been hinted you only get 12 of them. And sure, they can time travel, but there's limits there too and they need a TARDIS to make it happen.

Nerd alter,

Time lord regeneration was limited to 12 regenerations by the time lord council, however the council could grant another cycle of 12 when ever they felt like it ( as they did with the master for the Great time war).

Without the council a time lord obviously does not have the imposed 12 regenerations however a physical limit still remains it appears the 11th doctor has said he has 507 regenerations left, which could mean that each timelord is genetically limited to 518.
or it could be like humans some live to 518 some live less than that and some live more.

Its safe to so that about 11 regens in the doctor is roughly around the 1000 years mark but unsure of the exact age due to non linearity of his life

Making his average lifespan around 47,000 years.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Sentry could have been stronger than Hulk if he overcome his mental instability problem. Right now I think Hope Summer can beat him. If she is able to use her power to it's fullest, then she is able to access the power of the entire mutant population, like several Omega Level mutants(Franklin Richard, Ice Man, Vulcan, etc...) or powers that helps against the Hulk. The ability to absorb kinetic force and turn it into energy or strength for example, everytime the hulk hits her she gets stronger. Even without without mimicry, she is probably the most powerful telepath/telekinetic on earth(Stryfe says she is potentially more powerful than he is when she was still young).



Red Hulk wins, he absorbs the gamma radiation of the green Hulk turning him back into Banner.

Nah green hulk crushed him, red hulk is like a battery so if his limit is reached he over heats and goes boom. Hulk beat his ass in the end. Hulk is the strongest there is.

 

[BigDes]

Dragonball Z ruined American superheroes

It's all powerlevels this, powerlevels that

Why can't we just see Doom getting kicked through a building?

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Dragonball Z ruined American superheroes

It's all powerlevels this, powerlevels that

Why can't we just see Doom getting kicked through a building?

....we probably get it from the marvel trading cards series II / III and the guides marvel used to put out more than anything.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Dragonball Z ruined American superheroes

It's all powerlevels this, powerlevels that

Why can't we just see Doom getting kicked through a building?

Quantifying a beings power and abilities is very useful, Sure the concept of spiderman laying the smack down on galactus is nice but it doesnt make any sense within the "reality" of the world.

 

[Ezalc]

Quick question to the people who know more about comic books than I do. Isn't Gambit really powerful too if he had access to his full powers?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Dragonball Z ruined American superheroes

It's all powerlevels this, powerlevels that

Why can't we just see Doom getting kicked through a building?

I agree, although I think it started well before Dragonball.

I think it makes comics too concrete and thus less interesting. It also places all of the focus on the combat, rather than clever uses of powers.

 

[mrklaw]

Forgive my comic ignorance, but I thought that comic book heroes had a few select, well defined powers, and obvious and necessary weaknesses, and it's the weaknesses which make them interesting.

This thread sounds like a lot of comics went through some kind of arms race, beefing their guys up to face larger and larger threats, until it gets ridiculous. Is that about right?

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Forgive my comic ignorance, but I thought that comic book heroes had a few select, well defined powers, and obvious and necessary weaknesses, and it's the weaknesses which make them interesting.

This thread sounds like a lot of comics went through some kind of arms race, beefing their guys up to face larger and larger threats, until it gets ridiculous. Is that about right?

Nothing happens overnight and most of these heroes have been around for like half a century. Aside from that there are inconsistencies based on whoever's writing them, molding their powers to the story's needs.

Aside from that few of the God-like beings mentioned in this thread are the stars of their own comics, like Galactus, Silver Surfer, etc. Heck about half of them are villains, at least.

 

[Slayven]

Planet Hulk was an amazing animated movie. But seriously, why can't this be a permanent solution. Ok Banner, into the hover cell you go.

Edit: And its not like Hulk can't find a solution (putting him in any sort of atmosphere will allow him to super clap etc) I'm just curious as to how this has been specifically addressed.

Cause the Hulk isn't problem unless you fuck with him. And the only people that fuck with him nowadays in comics is villains who soon learn their lesson.

A Hulk-ified Transformer would be boss.

Megatron with organic implants goes hulk.

 

[Santerestil]

This thread sounds like a lot of comics went through some kind of arms race, beefing their guys up to face larger and larger threats, until it gets ridiculous. Is that about right?

Unfortunately, yes.

 

[Slayven]

Forgive my comic ignorance, but I thought that comic book heroes had a few select, well defined powers, and obvious and necessary weaknesses, and it's the weaknesses which make them interesting.

This thread sounds like a lot of comics went through some kind of arms race, beefing their guys up to face larger and larger threats, until it gets ridiculous. Is that about right?

Most of these people mentioned go years without showing up. And most of the time it is rarely to fight.

 

[Asbel]

yeah, i was intentionally avoiding those since op had asked about heroes. that whole abstract tier (Chaos, Order, In-Betweener, Love, Hate, Death, Eternity, Infinity, possibly the celestials) have infinite power and are totally unkillable.

There's a few villains I intentionally left out also- like Michael Korvac, Surtur, Tyrant, Ego the Living Planet, Shuma-Gorath, Abraxas...that are only really killable via plot devices.

If we stick to just earth based villains, theres a couple that are COMPLETELY broken but rarely show up, or are just nerfed by writers for no reason. Absorbing Man should never lose to anyone, ever. His secret weakess is his own idiocy. Graviton has full control over gravity, with no real limits. This dude rides asteroids for fun, throws skyscrapers around like they're nothing, and rearranged the continents into the shape of his own face just because he could. Maelstrom had total control over/ absorption of kinetic energy- so powerful he turned himself into an abstract being.

There's TONS of these dudes floating around that don't really get much use or HAVE to be nerfed because of how broken they are.

I would like a comic where Sentry or some other powerful hero went after those uber powerful villians.

 

[MisterHero]

Dragonball Z ruined American superheroes

It's all powerlevels this, powerlevels that

Why can't we just see Doom getting kicked through a building?

Superman was over 9000 back in the 40s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMynm63A-k&t=8m30s

 

[Pandaman]

Quantifying a beings power and abilities is very useful, Sure the concept of spiderman laying the smack down on galactus is nice but it doesnt make any sense within the "reality" of the world.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Superman was over 9000 back in the 40s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMynm63A-k&t=8m30s

No matter how often I see it it's so strange seeing old Superman only jumping instead of flying.

 

[Wiseblade]

http://i.imgur.com/1Lck3.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

YES. Spider-Man getting the recognition he deserves.

 

[Parallax]

thats an alternate universe that 616 pete ended up in.

 

[Pandaman]

thats an alternate universe that 616 pete ended up in.

its still an option, alternate spider was originally no stronger than pete.

 

[NEO0MJ]

its still an option, alternate spider was originally no stronger than pete.

I doubt he took on those cosmic entities before he figured how to get his power boost, though.

 

[Pandaman]

I doubt he took on those cosmic entities before he figured how to get his power boost, though.

and 616 pete has now figured it out! [and has the neccasary tools in his office]

 

[Parallax]

and 616 pete has now figured it out!

yeah, but pete isnt an villain.

 

[Slayven]

yeah, but pete isnt an villain.

I love the finale of the 90s cartoon where Spiderman had to take down his psychology alternative universe double. He did it by making the double face Uncle Ben.

 

[NEO0MJ]

yeah, but pete isnt an villain.

And no evil uncle Ben to push him.

 

[Pandaman]

yeah, but pete isnt an villain.

yet.

we already know that when the hyper-dimensional space virus chips are down, pete will eat people alive to get what he wants.

 

[Parallax]

And no evil uncle Ben to push him.

despite the villain part, it does make me wonder what would become of spider man if ben hadnt died. is there a what if of this?

 

[NEO0MJ]

despite the villain part, it does make me wonder what would become of spider man if ben hadnt died. is there a what if of this?

I think so.

 

[Slayven]

despite the villain part, it does make me wonder what would become of spider man if ben hadnt died. is there a what if of this?

Probably, it should be like House of M Spiderman.