Is There Any Fanservice In Western Games For Straight Men Anymore?

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Jesus man, the hoops you're jumping through to not admit that that pic doesn't look like the final product. Actually quote me saying she's ugly because it was it's from an alpha build. Either do that or actually learn to read a full paragraph of text and understand the context words are used in.

I don't give a shit about this game or this character, I'm just pointing out that the pic you used is wrong. If using fictitious sources is how you want to make your points that tells us more about your character than anyone else in this thread but don't start to cry when people call you on your bullshit.
Just calm down dude sheesh. i admit that she have a "unique" beauty, are you happy? now go take a nap or something.
 
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The same reason why 99% of western games have only ugly women in it, to avoid the anger from jealous land whale feminists and their white knights.
Steve Ince, Broken Sword and Grey Matter designer, made actually a pretty and smart character in the game So Blonde, who started haughty yet came down to earth. Looks do not matter if the character is cool

Here is what he said. Nowadays after GG no producer dares even make jokes about it.....



http://www.gameboomers.com/interviews/SoBlonde/SoBlonde.htm

-Everyone has a favourite blonde joke, but were you at all concerned you might draw the ire of any portion of the gaming public?

-No, because it’s not about poking fun at a specific group of people. What we’ve done is to take that stereotype, have a little fun with it in that form and then take it beyond the stereotype. If Sunny didn’t have something deeper within herself she would never get off the first game location.

-Nico in the earlier Broken Sword games was a strong and resourceful persona. Is Sunny the complete opposite or are there some inner strengths?

-Sunny is certainly a very different character to Nico, but she surprises herself with some of her resourcefulness, which grows throughout the game. If Sunny ended the game as the same person she started it, I think the game would have become boring very quickly and players would probably have been irritated with her character.

Grey Matter, a game where Jane Jensen was involved as a script writer had also this cool character. Notice that the bust was edited in the USA cover version, but this was probably in agreement between her and co-art director Fred Aurgis

http://cort-xforum.rilngard.net/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=175

Now just a funny story, as with every female character in a game nowadays, Sam's breasts indeed caused a few back and forth.

Jane didn't want her to be oversexualized obviously, Fred Augis (co-art director and main character designer) still wanted to make her sexy despite her strong character to have a nice contrast, and in the end they agreed on Sam here:

http://cort-x.fwheel.net/images/gm_concept55.jpg

So I'd say the american cover is somewhat truer to Jane and Fred's vision



 
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The bottom line is this, sexy girls shouldn't be seen as offensive to anyone, I don't care who you are, it's not normal to not be able to handle a little sexy.

Even conservative mid-20th century America was not as prudish as the modern left wing, you had your actresses like Marilyn Monroe, Jane Russell, Mae West, Rita Hayworth and so on, even that level of sexy would be too much for the modern left to handle if you put it in a video game or a comic book.

It's bizarre, creepy and just not something a normal human being would be.

There's something about SJWs that seems downright.... anti-human.
 
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I think some people are also like, confusing attractive with scantily clad. Some characters are more attractive bc they show less skin depending on how theyre designed. I love some skin myself but I like creatively sexy designs too.

Also sometimes a cute face is all it takes too.
 
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Tell me that this particular scene (and almost all of the camera shots) isn't made for any other reason other than to titillate the male player. Say it to my face.


Am I being condescending for thinking scenes like these are made with a hormone-filled teenager in mind? Am I being confrontational for saying content like that is juvenile? First and foremost, I judged the content, which is my right to do so. If that made me sound as superior, I humbly apologize.

I don't think I ever said that someone is juvenile for watching it - if I did, correct me. I love Dragon Ball, which is a show aimed for kids. Should I consider you condescending if you say that 'Dragon Ball is for kids'? It's the truth! If non-kids watch it, more power to them, but that doesn't change the fact that the target demographic *are* 10-year olds. Kids.
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Westerners uglyfying women in their media has become a meme at this point, i see a lot of these in twitter these days lol

Good gravy, even if it's an alpha the fact that they would ever design a character so ugly is astounding.

It does. Though knowing nothing about Apex I googled it and it would seem the character looks like this:

Seems a bit of a cherry pick, to me.
This is an improvement but still not great, same flat chest almost every female character has now, no belly button seen, not a heinous freak but still meh.
 
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Good gravy, even if it's an alpha the fact that they would ever design a character so ugly is astounding.



This is an improvement but still not great, same flat chest almost every female character has now, no belly button seen, not a heinous freak but still meh.
Oi.



But that chick? The one from Apex? She is fuckin' ugly.
 
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Eeeeeeh. I love them to death, but considering recent developments... I won't be so sure about it.
Based on what folks claim is being "PC" all developers might as well be that. Folks accuse anyone of being that simply for making different characters.

Game developer - "Hey lets make a game about a garbage man, that would be weird and different"

Gamers- "WOW, look at the PC!!!, trying to SHOVE Garbage men down our throats, so much garbage men pandering, I"M SICK OF THIS"

So they'll turn on that developer based on you being able to play a female in Cyberpunk 2077 aka PanderGate2077 lol Don't believe me? Have you see what folks are saying based on AC allowing both men and women as characters based on them going more towards RPG?

Basically no developer is free to make what they want. Everything is um "PC" and or "propaganda" and or "pandering" etc. No one apparently makes games for fun, they make it to send a message to take over the world LOL!
 

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Based on what folks claim is being "PC" all developers might as well be that. Folks accuse anyone of being that simply for making different characters.

Game developer - "Hey lets make a game about a garbage man, that would be weird and different"

Gamers- "WOW, look at the PC!!!, trying to SHOVE Garbage men down our throats, so much garbage men pandering, I"M SICK OF THIS"

So they'll turn on that developer based on you being able to play a female in Cyberpunk 2077 aka PanderGate2077 lol Don't believe me? Have you see what folks are saying based on AC allowing both men and women as characters based on them going more towards RPG?

Basically no developer is free to make what they want. Everything is um "PC" and or "propaganda" and or "pandering" etc. No one apparently makes games for fun, they make it to send a message to take over the world LOL!
You still pushing that false narrative? Mate, it has been described to you time and again the issue with AC and its character choice but you still seem intent on framing it in such a disingenuous manner.
 
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Toshihiro Nagoshi, the director of the Yakuza just gets it. Link.

There was a huge market for [the fantasy, military, and sports genres], so I understand why everyone targeted them, but too much of the same thing is boring. There was always a lot of requests from different countries for business, but when it came to our own creativity, we have our own things we want to do and say. I knew that if we listened to everyone, we would make no-one happy. I tried to tell myself that it was all part of being a creative at first, but one day I knew I couldn’t do it anymore.
When it comes to the female fans part of the question, this actually isn’t unique to the West. I still think it’s odd that we have that following but it was in a way a good thing that we didn’t try to cater to a female audience. I think that because we tried to ignore both younger and female audiences we inherently captivated their interest in the contents of the game. I can’t really speak for the female fans of the series, but these days guys are a total pushover. So maybe it’s because of this that those fans feel so attracted to the main character of the game. I can’t say for certain, but it has to be something like that.

But even though there are more female fans now, it’s not a fact that myself or the staff can worry about. If we start to worry about the female fans, it changes the identity of what we’ve worked on and we risk isolating the current fans.
 
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You still pushing that false narrative? Mate, it has been described to you time and again the issue with AC and its character choice but you still seem intent on framing it in such a disingenuous manner.
Not really bud. Its an RPG, not the first time an RPG has had a choice between sexes. As I'm sure if Elder Scrolls or Fallout or Dragon Age FIRST released this gen, you folks likely would be arguing about it. For god sakes your crying over options......

Don't play it.

Move on.

Not everything is some "agenda" to take over the world bud, that argument doesn't become less dumb because its not a SJW making it you know LOL!
 
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Not really bud. Its an RPG, not the first time an RPG has had a choice between sexes. As I'm sure if Elder Scrolls or Fallout or Dragon Age FIRST released this gen, you folks likely would be arguing about it. For god sakes your crying over options......

Don't play it.

Move on.

Not everything is some "agenda" to take over the world bud, that argument doesn't become less dumb because its not a SJW making it you know LOL!
To reiterate the roughly 20 other times this has been discussed: the issue with AC Odyssey and its choice was due to the setting. Women were *not* treated the same as men during the time and place the game was set. It creates a major disconnect with the world. If the female choice had special options dedicated to their sex and characters/NPCs acting surprised (or just acting differently) to see a women in certain roles then there wouldn't be an issue.

This has nothing to do with this inane idea of an "Agenda taking over the world". Not even sure why you pulled that one out of your arse.

Then again, you are a troll so I am not sure why I am bothering.
 
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To reiterate the roughly 20 other times this has been discussed: the issue with AC Odyssey and its choice was due to the setting. Women were *not* treated the same as men during the time and place the game was set. It creates a major disconnect with the world. If the female choice had special options dedicated to their sex and characters/NPCs acting surprised (or just acting differently) to see a women in certain roles then there wouldn't be an issue.

This has nothing to do with this inane idea of an "Agenda taking over the world". Not even sure why you pulled that one out of your arse.

Then again, you are a troll so I am not sure why I am bothering.
Its a fantasy game so.....yea, did you forget that they fought medusa? you mad at that too or? lol Soooo this isn't some damn history lesson bud, its FICTION, its FANTASY! So this whole " during the time" is irrelevant as its during a FAKE time, as in NOT REAL, as in FANTASY, as in they can make any damn things they want to. you didn't play a damn factual story to cry over such a thing....but, by all means Yeah yeah blah blah blah we get it the same thing they do every night, try to take over the world.

Don't get me started at Forza and Gran turismo's obvious pandering to car enthusiasts as it's pretty clear it's propaganda by the oil industry to keep us dependent on foreign oil. smh, it's why I no longer play any racing games I'm definitely not going to give in to that clear and obvious agenda! Yup no developer ever creates anything with the intended purpose does simply artistically create it's always because of an agenda to take over the world /s.
 
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To reiterate the roughly 20 other times this has been discussed: the issue with AC Odyssey and its choice was due to the setting. Women were *not* treated the same as men during the time and place the game was set. It creates a major disconnect with the world. If the female choice had special options dedicated to their sex and characters/NPCs acting surprised (or just acting differently) to see a women in certain roles then there wouldn't be an issue.

This has nothing to do with this inane idea of an "Agenda taking over the world". Not even sure why you pulled that one out of your arse.

Then again, you are a troll so I am not sure why I am bothering.

lol hey, this wasn't "during the time" either


lol

So you are basically arguing for AC to no longer be fictional, fantasy, sci fi etc but to be about a 1.1 factual story, like some biography or something. Too much isn't that to legit argue such a dumb thing. So talk about major um "disconnect" but when you started fighting monsters and going back in time with someone's DNA, that should have caused this "disconnect" considering those are nothing like anything um "during the time" unless you telling me you know of real monsters and time travel is legit a factual concept with DNA lol

Oh but hey all those can be fake and fiction, but girl is OVERBOARD? Really? smh

You mad at a fantasy game having something that is fake, ignoring that the entire time, characters and actions are pretty much made up. This sounds like a massive exaggeration. AC never promised to be a simulation or biography based on facts and only on factual re-creations etc.
 
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Video game is a hobby, you make it sound like you are fighting some war and there's only 2 sides.

Sounds rather sad.
Either you stand your ground or tomorrow it will be taken, and we seen it happen with all other institutions now, even Boy Scouts.

This is way too obvious, even for you. You gotta segue slowly into this stuff, not be so upfront with it.

You’ll nail it next time. 💙☺️
Sorry that I am not as good a hypocrite as you.
 
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Video game is a hobby, you make it sound like you are fighting some war and there's only 2 sides.

Sounds rather sad.
There are action and of course will be reaction.
Maybe you should start take a look at your beloved ResetERA forum outside of PC's one to know why. One of the most hardcore western militant leftist forum which heavily known for signaling their virtue to be more inclusive by using any means necessary (sound like GamerGater isn't it).

Can we just all back to "just gaming"?
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Hello guys,I'm really glad I found this forum and more people are understanding what is happening with the game industry. I started to take notice about this with the MK series. I'm not a fighting game player,in the past I had played some sf and tekken on ps1,but never really got hooked up on them. But lately I want to get into theese games because I have played all kinds of games like mobas,shooters,mmorpgs so I want to dive in this. I even remember when MK9 first came,I was in high school and it blown my mind,it was so cool,I was watching videos on youtube because I didn't have the money for ps3 to play it. And after some years later I notice that MKX is gonna come out,so I am super hyped to see what they gonna come up with,and when I saw the female cast I immediately knew something is wrong. Like the life out of them was taken,they were not the same out of this world sexy ninjas that fight,it was just plain and generic,I was shocked. So much censorship. Till MKX all MK games had fanservice,and at their time of release I guess nobody complained about it like now. Then we had Injustice 2 where it was the same story,the only exception was supergirl premium costume power girl where they made her chest NORMAL compared to all the other females on the roster and that's it. So now we have MK11 coming and when I saw skarlet and sonya I knew it was the same,nothing changed. What's even more shocking is when I made a thread in reddit and tried to explain myself like normal human being,stating my points and opinion,hoping I was gonna get some normal answers. Instead I get downvoted to oblivion and the most upvoted reply is "go watch some porn to cool off" also they were calling me weirdo,pervert and freak. What's even more interesting is that I got feedback from 27 years old woman who even she was missing the skimpy outfits,and guess what she was downvoted too. Its like if you don't agree with them you get massive hate. Also the player base is probably like 95% males,there is no logic from marketing point of view to not add atleast 1 or 2 sexy characters. There is something happening. The line between games and reality is getting thin,people are forgetting that its just a game and start to bring their politics and real life issues. It pains me because this censorship is gonna eat the game industry alive. Artists can't even express their art the way they want to. And what's more interesting is that people are okay with all the blood and gore and to chop someones head off or bite their brain (baraka fatality) but the moment someone mentions to bring some fanservice back people all of a sudden lose their mind,like this is something taboo that shouldn't be even mentioned or talked about. Like I'm 25 years old,I started gaming since nintendo era,I always liked fanservice in games,but in real life I have my respect for women,I am not rapist nor I promote to peek at naked girls or take some other shots,I just know that games and reality are 2 different things. I don't want "real" characters in my game,I want something out of this world,that's why we play games,to see and do extraordinary things,and to chill out after a hard day in work or school. Also take notice the preorder skin for russia kold war skarlet,the moment I saw that tiny piece of black cloth that cover her cleavage beneath her dress I knew that all hope is gone.She is not revealing much at all,but to even add that? That's going way too extreme,it reminded me how they covered jaina cleavage in hearthstone.
 
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Hello guys,I'm really glad I found this forum and more people are understanding what is happening with the game industry. I started to take notice about this with the MK series. I'm not a fighting game player,in the past I had played some sf and tekken on ps1,but never really got hooked up on them. But lately I want to get into theese games because I have played all kinds of games like mobas,shooters,mmorpgs so I want to dive in this. I even remember when MK9 first came,I was in high school and it blown my mind,it was so cool,I was watching videos on youtube because I didn't have the money for ps3 to play it. And after some years later I notice that MKX is gonna come out,so I am super hyped to see what they gonna come up with,and when I saw the female cast I immediately knew something is wrong. Like the life out of them was taken,they were not the same out of this world sexy ninjas that fight,it was just plain and generic,I was shocked. So much censorship. Till MKX all MK games had fanservice,and at their time of release I guess nobody complained about it like now. Then we had Injustice 2 where it was the same story,the only exception was supergirl premium costume power girl where they made her chest NORMAL compared to all the other females on the roster and that's it. So now we have MK11 coming and when I saw skarlet and sonya I knew it was the same,nothing changed. What's even more shocking is when I made a thread in reddit and tried to explain myself like normal human being,stating my points and opinion,hoping I was gonna get some normal answers. Instead I get downvoted to oblivion and the most upvoted reply is "go watch some porn to cool off" also they were calling me weirdo,pervert and freak. What's even more interesting is that I got feedback from 27 years old woman who even she was missing the skimpy outfits,and guess what she was downvoted too. Its like if you don't agree with them you get massive hate. Also the player base is probably like 95% males,there is no logic from marketing point of view to not add atleast 1 or 2 sexy characters. There is something happening. The line between games and reality is getting thin,people are forgetting that its just a game and start to bring their politics and real life issues. It pains me because this censorship is gonna eat the game industry alive. Artists can't even express their art the way they want to. And what's more interesting is that people are okay with all the blood and gore and to chop someones head off or bite their brain (baraka fatality) but the moment someone mentions to bring some fanservice back people all of a sudden lose their mind,like this is something taboo that shouldn't be even mentioned or talked about. Like I'm 25 years old,I started gaming since nintendo era,I always liked fanservice in games,but in real life I have my respect for women,I am not rapist nor I promote to peek at naked girls or take some other shots,I just know that games and reality are 2 different things. I don't want "real" characters in my game,I want something out of this world,that's why we play games,to see and do extraordinary things,and to chill out after a hard day in work or school. Also take notice the preorder skin for russia kold war skarlet,the moment I saw that tiny piece of black cloth that cover her cleavage beneath her dress I knew that all hope is gone.She is not revealing much at all,but to even add that? That's going way too extreme,it reminded me how they covered jaina cleavage in hearthstone.
I know how you feel, i didn't know anything or cared to know about western politics because i don't live there so why should i? but then in recent years i noticed just like you that suddenly most of western games have only covered ugly women in it. i was like WTF is going on here??
i started to look for the cause and i started to learn about political agendas and SJWs and feminists and how the western gaming industry was hijacked by them.

You being shamed and called pervert and freak is a common SJW tactic to brain wash you in thinking that your attraction for hot women is wrong, but if you go now and posted that you want more gay and trans characters in games then you will be cheered and applauded and you will be called "brave" and that you should be "proud" of your gay sexuality.
I guess at this point western gaming companies thinks that its more important to push their political agenda than to make money, just look at the Battlefield 5 situation.

The only thing you could do now as a consumer is to boycott agenda driven games which is pretty easy since a lot of them is soulless and to support the gaming companies that make great games without injecting their agenda in it like CD project red, Warhorse studios and of course Japanese game studios.
 
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Now that the rules have been set, the real party will begin with next gen PS5 and Xbox.Probably even more smaller Japanese developers will have moved to PC and Nintendo, if the latter remain sane till then. I see even more players of small and middle games moving away from those platforms too.
Playstation became now too risky and expensive for the smaller games and PS5 will be even more. Too bad because that console used to encompass all kind of genres and gamers for all ages.

Interesting that one of the staple games back then in Japan was Tokimeki Memorial that sold 1.1 million copies, most of them on PS1 probably.

The main character became a celebrity in the 90s over there
Now I shudder to think what would happen today if any other game dared to do the same. VN and dating players will be shamed to oblivion.

 
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I know how you feel, i didn't know anything or cared to know about western politics because i don't live there so why should i? but then in recent years i noticed just like you that suddenly most of western games have only covered ugly women in it. i was like WTF is going on here??
i started to look for the cause and i started to learn about political agendas and SJWs and feminists and how the western gaming industry was hijacked by them.

You being shamed and called pervert and freak is a common SJW tactic to brain wash you in thinking that your attraction for hot women is wrong, but if you go now and posted that you want more gay and trans characters in games then you will be cheered and applauded and you will be called "brave" and that you should be "proud" of your gay sexuality.
I guess at this point western gaming companies thinks that its more important to push their political agenda than to make money, just look at the Battlefield 5 situation.

The only thing you could do now as a consumer is to boycott agenda driven games which is pretty easy since a lot of them is soulless and to support the gaming companies that make great games without injecting their agenda in it like CD project red, Warhorse studios and of course Japanese game studios.
It sounds more like you fell into a different kind of brainwashing than achieving any kind of enlightenment. And I'm not being hyperbolic here -- I know there's a whole community of YouTube ranters and others who feed on and exploit resentment like yours.

Ridiculously hot women in games are fine. Insisting that games built for a general audience must have ridiculously hot women, and portraying them in a leering, creepy way, though? Not so much. For that matter, calling women in western games "ugly" is inaccurate and... frankly, a bit desperate-sounding. I don't know about you, but I don't need women to look like fashion models or porn stars to find them pretty.

Thankfully, the boys who whine about not seeing enough T&A in their games aren't in significant enough numbers to stage a meaningful boycott. They're certainly not doing any damage to Apex Legends. They'll just sink into permanent irrelevance, as they deserve.
 
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It sounds more like you fell into a different kind of brainwashing than achieving any kind of enlightenment. And I'm not being hyperbolic here -- I know there's a whole community of YouTube ranters and others who feed on and exploit resentment like yours.

Ridiculously hot women in games are fine. Insisting that games built for a general audience must have ridiculously hot women, and portraying them in a leering, creepy way, though? Not so much. For that matter, calling women in western games "ugly" is inaccurate and... frankly, a bit desperate-sounding. I don't know about you, but I don't need women to look like fashion models or porn stars to find them pretty.

Thankfully, the boys who whine about not seeing enough T&A in their games aren't in significant enough numbers to stage a meaningful boycott. They're certainly not doing any damage to Apex Legends. They'll just sink into permanent irrelevance, as they deserve.
To whom are you saying the bolded to, exactly...??
 

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It sounds more like you fell into a different kind of brainwashing than achieving any kind of enlightenment. And I'm not being hyperbolic here -- I know there's a whole community of YouTube ranters and others who feed on and exploit resentment like yours.

Ridiculously hot women in games are fine. Insisting that games built for a general audience must have ridiculously hot women, and portraying them in a leering, creepy way, though? Not so much. For that matter, calling women in western games "ugly" is inaccurate and... frankly, a bit desperate-sounding. I don't know about you, but I don't need women to look like fashion models or porn stars to find them pretty.

Thankfully, the boys who whine about not seeing enough T&A in their games aren't in significant enough numbers to stage a meaningful boycott. They're certainly not doing any damage to Apex Legends. They'll just sink into permanent irrelevance, as they deserve.
What you consider "leering" and "creepy" has been countered with evidence before by actual women who actively push against the censorship being seen today. In fact, I am pretty sure that this was shown to you in this very thread, or maybe it was in the Censorship OT thread, either way it was shown to you. Yet, you seem intent on pushing the false narrative that it is "boys" whining about not seeing T&A when it is men and women who are advocating for more freedom in fanservice.

I am not sure if it is just a slow day at your other home, but stop with the disingenuous bullshit already Aurelian. It is just getting sad.
 
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calling women in western games "ugly" is inaccurate
Come on dude....












Either you are trolling or you have a very low standards in women that you will fuck any goblin that are willing to give you any attention.

Why's it all about looks, what about personality?

I would never date a girl with the personality of a spoon, even if I could take her everywhere in my backpack.
You seem confused, we are not talking about real girls here, we are talking about a 60$ product, a product that should be appealing to customers taste, why should i pay money to stare at an ugly character for 20 hours?
 
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What you consider "leering" and "creepy" has been countered with evidence before by actual women who actively push against the censorship being seen today. In fact, I am pretty sure that this was shown to you in this very thread, or maybe it was in the Censorship OT thread, either way it was shown to you. Yet, you seem intent on pushing the false narrative that it is "boys" whining about not seeing T&A when it is men and women who are advocating for more freedom in fanservice.

I am not sure if it is just a slow day at your other home, but stop with the disingenuous bullshit already Aurelian. It is just getting sad.
Also, what I find weird at best and super disingenuous at worst is the “I just do not think all games must be like that...” that comes after the initial comment of disgust and anger towards the trope and all.

It makes you think that they just want more diverse representation of content as they say, but then you notice for every game that does not fit that “norm” a pattern of “vocal anger and trying to shut the work of art down they disagree with” followed by “not trying to censor all games, must all games be like this? Why cannot they be more diverse”.

The diversity of games is not a bad idea in and of itself, I do not have an issue with that. I do have an issue if the idea is to masquerade censorship of everything a group does not like with the creation of additional content “adding more games, not less... believe me... just because I try to rally an angry mob against every single game with T&A does not mean I want to censor all games with T&A... I am just trying to help add additional games to the mix...”.
 
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Come on dude....

Eiter you are trolling or you have a very low standards in women that you will fuck any goblin that are willing to give you any attention.



You seem confused, we are not talking about real girls here, we are talking about a 60$ product, a product that should be appealing to customers taste, why should i pay money to stare at an ugly character for 20 hours?
How could you leave out this gem

 
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What you consider "leering" and "creepy" has been countered with evidence before by actual women who actively push against the censorship being seen today. In fact, I am pretty sure that this was shown to you in this very thread, or maybe it was in the Censorship OT thread, either way it was shown to you. Yet, you seem intent on pushing the false narrative that it is "boys" whining about not seeing T&A when it is men and women who are advocating for more freedom in fanservice.

I am not sure if it is just a slow day at your other home, but stop with the disingenuous bullshit already Aurelian. It is just getting sad.
I'm not saying there aren't women who like it or object to the censorship. I'm not even advocating for censorship, despite what you falsely claim. But who do you think are the main ones who whine and moan because they can't buy a local copy of DOAX to take virtual upskirt shots, or can't see borderline-underage anime tits in a PS4 JRPG? They're certainly not mature, whatever their gender.

And that's the thing. It's not about justifying censorship, it's about wishing people like you would grow the hell up. You treat covered-up bodies as if developers are requiring burqas, and consider a less-than-perfect face to be a tragedy. The world will not collapse if you can't ogle every character you see in a game.
 

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I'm not saying there aren't women who like it or object to the censorship. I'm not even advocating for censorship, despite what you falsely claim. But who do you think are the main ones who whine and moan because they can't buy a local copy of DOAX to take virtual upskirt shots, or can't see borderline-underage anime tits in a PS4 JRPG? They're certainly not mature, whatever their gender.

And that's the thing. It's not about justifying censorship, it's about wishing people like you would grow the hell up. You treat covered-up bodies as if developers are requiring burqas, and consider a less-than-perfect face to be a tragedy. The world will not collapse if you can't ogle every character you see in a game.
Yet you keep on the disingenuous bullshit/strawman arguments. Trying to paint the majority as perverts who enjoy underage characters. Hell, you literally are insulting people now. Pathetic, mate.
 
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Come on dude....












Eiter you are trolling or you have a very low standards in women that you will fuck any goblin that are willing to give you any attention.

You seem confused, we are not talking about real girls here, we are talking about a 60$ product, a product that should be appealing to customers taste, why should i pay money to stare at an ugly character for 20 hours?
First, at least some of those women aren't ugly. They might not be stunners, but they're not ugly. And in many cases you're confusing a scarred or dirtied face with ugliness. Moreover, why does every woman in a game have to be attractive? That's part of the problem -- it's okay for you if the men are all ugly or battle-scarred, but you panic if you can't imagine fucking every woman on screen.

Also, please drop the personal attacks. I'm in a happy relationship with a beautiful woman, thank you. I'm just amused at how you set unrealistically high standards for what you consider an attractive woman in a game, and throw a temper tantrum if you get anything less. I've seen guys here complain that the current Lara Croft incarnation (or Elena Fisher, or...) isn't sexy enough, for example. Holy shit, most people would be lucky to get a date with a woman like that in real life.

And a quick news flash: most games aren't designed solely for men. If you're going to be consistent, then shouldn't you insist that general audience games include nothing but Chippendales models for the male characters?
 
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I'm not saying there aren't women who like it or object to the censorship. I'm not even advocating for censorship, despite what you falsely claim.
This is what he actually said:

...you seem intent on pushing the false narrative that it is "boys" whining about not seeing T&A when it is men and women who are advocating for more freedom in fanservice.
There's no evidence that supports your claim that he's calling you out for advocating for censorship.

But who do you think are the main ones who whine and moan because they can't buy a local copy of DOAX to take virtual upskirt shots, or can't see borderline-underage anime tits in a PS4 JRPG? They're certainly not mature, whatever their gender.
That's your opinion, not a fact. It's my opinion that those who whine and moan about the existence of games with some T&A are the immature ones as they want to suck the fun away from other people to stroke their authoritarian egos.

It's also very immature to make baseless assumptions about the targeted audience of these types of games. Those people just want to buy games they are interested in. That's it. Not sure why you're getting all hung up about it.

And that's the thing. It's not about justifying censorship, it's about wishing people like you would grow the hell up. You treat covered-up bodies as if developers are requiring burqas, and consider a less-than-perfect face to be a tragedy. The world will not collapse if you can't ogle every character you see in a game.
And the world will not collapse if you can ogle every character you see in a game.
 

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And a quick news flash: most games aren't designed solely for men. If you're going to be consistent, then shouldn't you insist that general audience games include nothing but Chippendales models for the male characters?
Assuming only men like sexy character design. Again lots of straight female gamer enjoy sexy design in their game and you even them cosplay as character like 2B.
 
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Assuming only men like sexy character design. Again lots of straight female gamer enjoy sexy design in their game and you even them cosplay as character like 2B.
Didn't say that. But you know that straight women (and gay/bi men) like sexy men, right? Let's make a deal: if every woman in a game should be unbelievably hot, then all the men have to be equally hot. They'll all go topless and occasionally flash their junk in your face. Sound good?
 
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Let's make a deal: if every woman in a game should be unbelievably hot, then all the men have to be equally hot. They'll all go topless and occasionally flash their junk in your face. Sound good?
And this is why people love to throw the (accurate, by all means) dishonest accusation at you.

You hate whatever gives pleasure to straight males, but will defend till your last breath anything that deviates from that normalcy!
 
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Being disingenuous and strawmannig your argument is Aurelian's MO. Their isn't any point arguing with him if he's just going to call you a creep. Are you dis-satisfied with not enough fan-service? His counter argument is that not every game needs sexy women..no one said every game needs DOA T&A you dunce. Present an argument about previously sexualized characters being de-sexualized...you're throwing a "temper tantrum" because games aren't just made for men. Stop giving this dude attention. It doesn't matter how well presented your argument is. He's just going to deliberately mis-intercept anything you say and present you like a sexist piece of shit.
 
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Didn't say that. But you know that straight women (and gay/bi men) like sexy men, right? Let's make a deal: if every woman in a game should be unbelievably hot, then all the men have to be equally hot. They'll all go topless and occasionally flash their junk in your face. Sound good?
Besides the unrealistic extrapolation in the end there, this already happens. The notion that only women are good looking in games is wrong, men are consistently very attractive one way or the other. Let's not measure up words here, nobody enjoys looking at ugly people. It's fair to assume that among us there are some elite looking studs, some unassuming average people and some unholy monstrosities. There's a reason why basically all of us use random avatars instead of our own pictures, it's because we're self conscious about it and no half measures would help it. Looking at some deformed video game characters won't make anyone think to themselves "yeah maybe it's okay that I'm not good looking", it doesn't work like that. Creating art with fucking ugly people in it is not the solution, accepting oneself and stopping treating sexuality as a taboo is.
 
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I'm not saying there aren't women who like it or object to the censorship. I'm not even advocating for censorship, despite what you falsely claim. But who do you think are the main ones who whine and moan because they can't buy a local copy of DOAX to take virtual upskirt shots, or can't see borderline-underage anime tits in a PS4 JRPG? They're certainly not mature, whatever their gender.

And that's the thing. It's not about justifying censorship, it's about wishing people like you would grow the hell up. You treat covered-up bodies as if developers are requiring burqas, and consider a less-than-perfect face to be a tragedy. The world will not collapse if you can't ogle every character you see in a game.
As said before, you do have a point, but if you have the same attitude, call it growing up or covering up or preventing gaze or preventing in game lewd behaviour, when one has the same approach to everything they see then they are really trying to censor unless people grow up and stop / change and censor themselves.

Games do not make rapists or killer and while we have politics making real life or death decisions, see what is happening in EU and North America right now, people are treating everything they see in any videogame as the next civil rights battle worth matching in the street and breaking windows for...
 

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Being disingenuous and strawmannig your argument is Aurelian's MO. Their isn't any point arguing with him if he's just going to call you a creep. Are you dis-satisfied with not enough fan-service? His counter argument is that not every game needs sexy women..no one said every game needs DOA T&A you dunce. Present an argument about previously sexualized characters being de-sexualized...you're throwing a "temper tantrum" because games aren't just made for men. Stop giving this dude attention. It doesn't matter how well presented your argument is. He's just going to deliberately mis-intercept anything you say and present you like a sexist piece of shit.
The point being contended is not “some game with T&A and some games without vs all ganes with tons of T&A”, the point I think Aurelian may or may not be making esplicitly (that is the disingenuous part at play possibly): it sounds like a very upset look at the issue that would be placated if people stopped asking for and getting that kind of lewd content made.
 
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And that's the thing. It's not about justifying censorship, it's about wishing people like you would grow the hell up. You treat covered-up bodies as if developers are requiring burqas, and consider a less-than-perfect face to be a tragedy. The world will not collapse if you can't ogle every character you see in a game.
People have the same right to delve, escape and relax into anime girl dating sims and VN just as the ones who choose characters like Ellie and Lara Croft to escape and have fun. That does not make one game inferior to the other or vice versa. Also not every game made entirely by and for men or women should be thrown to the fire.
 
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I really enjoy the irony in someone who claims to be more mature than other people because they don't like the same content as them. They are so mature in fact that they feel the need to remind you multiple times across various threads that they are the most mature person participating. Almost as if their sense of maturity will disappear if they don't make sure to remind others.

Another thing I really enjoy is when someone says something like "I don't want to censor" or "can't there be other games that don't have this?" and halfway through the post the mask starts to crack and comments like this start to seep out, "surely these filthy disgusting pigs can go one game without what they're looking for?" or "the creepy sex perverts will be just fine".

It's sort of like Dr Hyde/Jekyll in that they attempt to be appear reasonable but eventually I suppose the hate becomes too much to bear and it starts appearing in the later half of their posts.

Just to make sure that there's no confusion I'm alluding to most Aurelian posts I've seen so far.

And if you guys think that you're getting shat on for your preferences you might be interested/intrigued to know that lesbians get it pretty bad too. One thing they share in common with men is that they enjoy looking at beautiful women wearing whatever fashion they find aesthetically pleasing (stating the obvious here since everyone does this) which in some feminists' eyes makes them as bad as men. You're cool with this particular group of feminists as long as you don't want to do anything more than hold hands with another woman. If you go over that line you'd best watch out because it's not going to be pretty.

And if you're confused why bringing up that women enjoy skin or whatever kind of fashion you're talking about doesn't mean anything to particular feminists when it comes to these sorts of discussions it's because of something called "internalized misogyny".

It's the concept that a woman can internalize hatred for herself and other woman through her choices usually due to what they've experienced through their surrounding environment and other influences. You'll see this used against women who state that they like something that certain feminists don't like, as the aim here is to take agency away from a woman to decide differently according to her preferences, and to instead infantilize her into someone who is not capable of making informed decisions about what she likes. Naturally the only way to escape from internalized misogyny is to adopt whatever preferences the ones who used the term have decided are the morally correct preferences for a woman to have.

This is also partly why you won't see a lot of women talking about this online, because when they state that they have preferences that don't align with certain feminists they get harassed/death threats/called men in disguise among other things. This is on top of there not being as many women in large gaming spaces online that are frequently dominated by men (population I mean).

I don't keep a log of all this stuff but the most recent example I remember is Layna Lazar's twitter debacle where she stated she preferred Lady in DMC3 to DMC5's Lady design which earned her a bunch of abuse from people who describe themselves as feminist but have no issue with shitting on a woman who's liking something that she shouldn't be liking more than what she should be. This is actually a good example.



I'm not really sure how someone can call themselves a feminist and do things like this, but I realize that good intentions aren't really enough. Going off the idea that you're good and thus anything you do or say is good and anyone who opposes you at all is quite clearly wrong inevitably leads people to adopting views and taking actions that are harmful to people that they initially claimed to value.
 
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I think video games needs more women who actually look like they are in shape and fit. Fat women are not going to go out on adventures, fighting monsters, while trying not to run out of breathe, or trying not to have a stroke
 
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Hey don't discount DFC!
That being said, that example is fucking ugly even if she's my favorite character to play.
The trouble is flat chest is all you ever see now, because breasts are politically incorrect.

Come on dude....












Either you are trolling or you have a very low standards in women that you will fuck any goblin that are willing to give you any attention.



You seem confused, we are not talking about real girls here, we are talking about a 60$ product, a product that should be appealing to customers taste, why should i pay money to stare at an ugly character for 20 hours?
Some of those aren't too bad (and the in game models for Prey as not as ugly as that art)

Not every woman you see in a game has to be hot, the trouble is hot is not allowed at all anymore, is there no middle ground?

Designing a character to be a total eye sore is not doing anyone any favors, that Watch-Dogs 2 woman is unbelievably hideous.
 
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Didn't say that. But you know that straight women (and gay/bi men) like sexy men, right? Let's make a deal: if every woman in a game should be unbelievably hot, then all the men have to be equally hot. They'll all go topless and occasionally flash their junk in your face. Sound good?
.....okay? Why would I be upset if the male character is attractive?

You are at peak "male feminist" dude. You are more concerned with making men unhappy than actually making women happy
 
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Come on dude....
You seem confused, we are not talking about real girls here, we are talking about a 60$ product, a product that should be appealing to customers taste, why should i pay money to stare at an ugly character for 20 hours?
Game devs are free to make their game how they see fit. You're free to not buy the game if it doesn't appeal to you.

If I were you, though, I'd just get over it. This is a trend that I don't see reversing itself.