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Isnt it ironic that the best FF this gen was its online spinoff?
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lucius
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I liked FFXI more than FFX/FFX2, I put way too much time into it. I liked playing with most the Japanes players. Some people though were way to into it cursing out people that make any mistake you gotta take games like these in stride sure it's important to level up fast but some where just out of control with how serious they took the game.
AlanHemberger
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I whole heartedly agree with the OP
DeathbyVolcano
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Pellham said:
That's really debatable, because the game did not "suck." People just didn't like the voice acting, character design, and some were not found of the seamingly simple battle system. Oh well, but that doesn't make it "suck."
gutter_trash
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the best FF last gen was FF X-2
nintendorly
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I love FFX. It's what got me into Final Fantasy in the first place.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Soloing in FFXI is like pulling out teeths, it's annoying, painful, and not fun at all. I soloed a bit with my rogue as well around 60 (which required some planning), but killing a decent con didn't bring all that much exp (it was 72 or 75, i don't remember), was time consuming, and became boring by the third kill for the time wasted fighting/resting up.
And skillchains require as much strategy as looking up a printed chart which tells you exactly what element each one is and which element each one is stronger/weaker against (a printed chart you need to have and know unless you want to be laughed at by the "elites"/get dragged down by newbies who insist on executing theirs alone even at higher levels). At most what is required is to know which element a monster is aligned with, but then again FFXI has had a limited amount of monsters people used to exp on regularly that repeated themselves all over the world, and so the skillchains used were mostly the same most of the time until they switched to light/dark skillchains in the end. Sure they give the players something else to do in fights, but so does every other MMO in a form or another without locking the player in a repetitive cycle fight after fight that tends to become tedious and annoying when you're doing it for hours on end (people don't like to split up when they finally find a good party).
Buggy Loop
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Teknopathetic said:
Haha, <3
Yes yes, FFXI had a lot of grinding, i dont know if its because i came to that MMO after EQ but, its a freaking BREEZE compared to playing a paladin (or shadowknight since hybrids had XP penalty) in EQ. In less time it took to level my paladin to lvl 55 in EQ, i had a lvl 69 Red mage, a lvl 38 white mage, lvl 37 black mage, lvl 20 ninja/warrior/thief/dark knight/blue mage and a lvl 27 beastmaster. When things "click" in FFXI and your party becomes as efficient as a ferrari, its really really fun, best PVE out of any MMO in fact. Just as it can be frustrating, especially for melees, waiting hours to get a party going, but playing RDM as a main, that wasnt a problem, even had to go anonymous to not be bothered.
Xeke said:
Because it was horrible compared to their FF's the previous gen you know?
It may have been revolutionary with the characters having a voice you know, but god damn did i wish that they couldn't speak to find out that SE's needs to do better dialogue for their games... you know?
I liked the Sphere grid you know, but the lack of exploration was a step down from what i liked about FF's in the first place you know.
I havn't played FFXII yet you know, but i swear to god i hope that they get some damn writers you know, they've had a habit of repeating certain phrases throughout the whole game you know, and it pisses me off.
Like Kingdom Hearts 2 for example
It's that type of thing that makes me cringe if i play through the game a second time thank god for skippable cutscenes.
Buggy Loop
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^^
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PepsimanVsJoe
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Meh..opinions..
FFX2 > FFX > FFXI > FFXII
And I'm out of here.
FFX2 > FFX > FFXI > FFXII
And I'm out of here.
Segata Sanshiro
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I guess the last thing I'll say on this is that FFXI is what you make of it, no more or less. It's a really well-done framework for an MMO, and as an example of its genre, it's one of the better ones. I had fun with it for a while, then when it didn't suit me anymore, I quit. I don't regret playing it at all, and it owes me nothing in terms of entertainment value for my dollar.
Maybe you should play FFXII before you complain about it. If there's one thing nobody can complain about in FFXII, it's the game's awesome script (I'm talking dialogue, not overarching storyline) and voice acting (though I'm sure someone out there complains about this not being Japanese anyway).Steroyd said:
Some of the best you'll see/hear in a game, at least to date. Very unlike FFX's horrific VA work.
Anyway, I enjoyed FFXI a great deal and all, but putting it above FFXII is pretty laughable, to say the least.
AndoCalrissian
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Man, they need to do another online FF with a similar gameplay system, just more sidequests/other things to do, and the license system from FFXII instead of a plain old leveling system. That would be a great MMO.
BudokaiMR2
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Buggy Loop said:
Well that shouldn't even be a problem. Sure it might have some great end-game stuff, but every damn MMO has that. It's making it fun getting there that is the hard part. WoW is the one that has done it the best. FFXI is one of the worst.
I've played several of the biggest MMOs and FFXI falls on its face there. The quest system is crap. It takes way too long to actually feel like you have freedom of exploration and the grind is just horrible.
HeadsUpSevenUp
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It's like raaaaaiiiain
PepsimanVsJoe
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I don't see why I should have to play a game for 500 hours to see the good stuff anyway.
In most every other FF in less than fifty hours I can see almost everything and have a generally entertaining experience.
Just because you put forth the investment doesn't mean everyone should follow suit and bad on you for claiming it's the best FF of this gen just because you're one of the few who made his way through it.
In most every other FF in less than fifty hours I can see almost everything and have a generally entertaining experience.
Just because you put forth the investment doesn't mean everyone should follow suit and bad on you for claiming it's the best FF of this gen just because you're one of the few who made his way through it.
Segata = absolutely correct about XI.
It's a great game with an awesome battle system and incredible world/story, but it really is quite flawed. Some of that is due to the inherent problems within the MMO genre (long investment required, community that is 80% retarded, etc.), and some of it is specific flaws within XI (strict party requirements, suspect job balancing in the first couple years of release, lack of varied end game content).
I adored the ~2500 hours I put into it for the 13 months or so I played, but I'd never go back, and I likely won't play an MMO again. It's not a love or hate it game, it's a love and hate it.
It's a great game with an awesome battle system and incredible world/story, but it really is quite flawed. Some of that is due to the inherent problems within the MMO genre (long investment required, community that is 80% retarded, etc.), and some of it is specific flaws within XI (strict party requirements, suspect job balancing in the first couple years of release, lack of varied end game content).
I adored the ~2500 hours I put into it for the 13 months or so I played, but I'd never go back, and I likely won't play an MMO again. It's not a love or hate it game, it's a love and hate it.
Rahxephon91
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FFXI is a very boring game and therefore sucks.
FFX and FFXII are not boring and therefore do not suck.
FFX and FFXII are not boring and therefore do not suck.
XI shouldn't have been a numbered game. It should have been like FFOnline or something. My beef with XII is that when I am playing a FF game I am playing it to chill. XII's battle system doesn't allow you to chill and wait for your turn, also I'm not very fond of the Gambit system...
well i haven't played ffxi because while i think mmorpg work on paper,(that's it... a multiplayer rpg that requires teamwork to pull trough with it) i'm also pretty aware that the reality is quite different besides i hate the entire idea of pay per play...
that said,i loved ffx to the point of beating all the dark aeons,to gaf hate against ffx i say "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"
ffx-2 was pretty much an useless game
as for ffxii,there is nothing in that game that impressed me,the story is almost non existent and the game itself it's just a matter of walking around,the fact that they created a spell that make you invincible it's also really stupid even if it last for only a single turn (hell at least ff8 had the decency of putting those hero drinks and the zero spell near the end of the game)
that said,i loved ffx to the point of beating all the dark aeons,to gaf hate against ffx i say "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"
ffx-2 was pretty much an useless game
as for ffxii,there is nothing in that game that impressed me,the story is almost non existent and the game itself it's just a matter of walking around,the fact that they created a spell that make you invincible it's also really stupid even if it last for only a single turn (hell at least ff8 had the decency of putting those hero drinks and the zero spell near the end of the game)
Segata Sanshiro
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leehom said:
Oh shit, here we go.
DeathbyVolcano
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Bebpo said:
I love Bebpo <3
PepsimanVsJoe
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leehom said:
Oh that's great. Glad to hear it.
"XP chain which required a lot more skills than just killing the same goddamn enemies over and over,"
You lost me right here. All I remember from my experience of FF11 was sitting in parties and camping the same boring enemeis for hours on end. First it's Valkurn and Lizards, then you get a little stronger and you can fight the things by the beach, then it was off to that other sandy place and fighting the one enemy there. Then I quit playing because even though there were tons of quests and lots of awesome locales I couldn't convince anyone to do anything besides level grind.
Also trying to say players are smarter in FF11 is dumb. I saw just as many Red Mages who thought they were melee characters in FF11 as I saw Paladins in WoW who thought the same thing. Morons are universal.
You lost me right here. All I remember from my experience of FF11 was sitting in parties and camping the same boring enemeis for hours on end. First it's Valkurn and Lizards, then you get a little stronger and you can fight the things by the beach, then it was off to that other sandy place and fighting the one enemy there. Then I quit playing because even though there were tons of quests and lots of awesome locales I couldn't convince anyone to do anything besides level grind.
Also trying to say players are smarter in FF11 is dumb. I saw just as many Red Mages who thought they were melee characters in FF11 as I saw Paladins in WoW who thought the same thing. Morons are universal.
Red Scarlet
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I haven't played 11 (won't play MMORPG's), so I'll just have to chime in that I found the International 10 to be my favorite new FF this past generation. I hope you have fun with 11 if you still play it a lot, Buggy.
Haha, awesome.firex said:
I came in here planning to say "I'm pretty sure the best FF of this generation was the GBA remake of FF5, because the PS2 installments were all boring." Or, you know, something similar.
The second best FF of the generation being a toss-up between FF4: Advance and FF3: DS
I agree with Buggy and the game is not a spin-off... do you see another Final Fantasy XI running around?
Game had far more depth, customization and was easily far more challenging then anything else the series has ever produced, I don't mean grinding either... story based missions involved a lot of strategy and endurance (CoP especially) and there was never a moment when every party member wasn't giving it all they had. The games in-game economy was second to none. The entire sever had to work together to keep it running.
Unfortunately, the games biggest downfall is the time that had to be invested (though I hear it has gotten a lot better).
:lol
I didn't realize non-instanced battles made a game revolutionary.
Game had far more depth, customization and was easily far more challenging then anything else the series has ever produced, I don't mean grinding either... story based missions involved a lot of strategy and endurance (CoP especially) and there was never a moment when every party member wasn't giving it all they had. The games in-game economy was second to none. The entire sever had to work together to keep it running.
Unfortunately, the games biggest downfall is the time that had to be invested (though I hear it has gotten a lot better).
Ynos Yrros said:
:lol
I didn't realize non-instanced battles made a game revolutionary.
Talamatross
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I don't want to live in a world where FFXI is better than XII.
Buggy Loop
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bluemax said:
Point was that FFXII's system is just killing the same species over and over, while FFXI you can kill ANY shit thats even match+, as long as you do it fast. In FFXII i can take a 1 hour break, come back and kill the same shit again and the chain wont even be lost, just plain stupid system.
Those red mages you're talking about dont get past the jungles. Thats what i love about FFXI, the first 3 main areas are hell, dunes, qufim and jungles, it trims out the weak sauce.
Buggy Loop said:
The level 40+ area is far better for trimming out the weak players. At that level, everyone has to know their place. Red Mages should be spending all their time spellcasting, Black Mages should not be nuking monsters like crazy, Warriors should be toning down their damage to let the tanks keep the monster focused, and the other stuff. So many people I knew switch professions at that level. :lol
FFXI is the biggest example of why people hate MMORPGs. The grind is absolutely insane, you fight the SAME EXACT MONSTER for 10 levels(I'm not sure if this changed but when I played to get to from 50-60 all people did was grind the same crabs for 10 levels. This gets so insanely boring compared to a MMORPG like WoW that has constantly different monsters), to do pretty much anything you need to be in a full party. I'm sorry but when I'm a lv 50 and I can barely kill lv 20s thats just stupid as hell.
WickedLaharl
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FFXI was horrible (seemingly endless level grinding...yay!). While FFXII didn't have a great story it did have fantastic gameplay. Surely this thread is a joke, right?
WickedLaharl
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Avalon said:
Nope. I loved the gambit system. Hell I'd even go as far as to say that FFX-2 was better than FFXI.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Kusagari said:
My memory is fuzzy but weren't there "Crabs of The Apocalypse" towards the endgame? They were basically different-colored crabs but with really evil sounding names.
Buggy loop said:
I can't believe you're actually comparing those completely different systems.
The only benefit you gain from chaining in FFXII is a better chance at getting drops + hp/mp bonuses while chaining in FFXI is at times essential to level.
I give FFXI the nod for having a better battle system and a better story than FFXII but that's about it.
In the end I don't even understand why these games are being directly compared in the first place. They are quite different from each other.
Most of the challenge in FFXII comes from the bosses/marks, usually gambits are for wiping out trash mobs as they can be taken out in a couple of hits. If you wanted to fight every single encounter exactly like the typical FFXI battle I imagine FFXII would be crossed off most if not all GOTY lists.
WickedLaharl said:
Well, some of actually enjoy involving RPGs. You had to put a lot of thought in just about everything in FFXI. Your race, your job(s) and even all your non-battle skill. Sometimes I would go months without even touching a monster. Crafting, mining (in dangerous locations), fishing (on the boat watching newbies getting owned by sea horror) or just questing was a lot of fun.
I definitely agree with Buggy when he said it has the best story of any FF this generation too. All the story segments were so involving and a lot of them were really emotional (not to mention, EPIC). First MMORPG I've seen were they've really put a lot of time into the story and giving NPCs a lot of personality.
WickedLahar said:
FFX-2 could have been a better game then FFXII if it wasn't boggled down by terrible setting, characters and story.
PepsimanVsJoe said:
Your right, but they are always being compared for some reason.
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