I feel the same. I can see more detailed male parts being a turn off for the DOA fanbase, lol.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
It took over 3 years, but the men of Dead or Alive 5 finally got some swimsuits!
- Thread starter Hours Left
- Start date
I know we've already had this conversation a thousand times, but the resources argument probably is a significant factor more than just fan reception, especially when you consider how many assets the female cast share. For DOAX, the work required to add two guys with one or two outfits could be equal to adapting several members of the female cast; with in-built compatibility with a plethora of easily monetised swimsuits. The better decision from a financial perspective is clear.
The couple of costumes the men have gotten in the main series does show they're not completely averse to focusing on them when it's feasible to do so (leaving aside the actual quality of the outfits, in certain cases), but a lot will have to change with the next main game for them to be confident that greenlighting a DOAX4 expansion with males would be adequately profitable.
HappyPuppy
Member
But where is the body hair? it's almost like a dimension where body hair doesn't exists, lame.
We've discussed this before. Do you buy a male/gay porn magazine to see photos of naked women? Would you be annoyed if your favorite male/gay porn magazine suddenly added photos of naked women, while either jacking the price up or cutting the existing content by half to cover the additional cost?
Hours Left
Member
There are financial aspects to be taken into account for sure, but with the nine ladies they already have in the game, even if they didn't add anymore female characters via DLC, I think they have more than enough built-in assets to leverage at a premium. (Which is something they already do quite handily in DoA5. I'm not saying I approve of this structure as is, but it certainly must do well for them if they're still supporting it three years after the initial release.)
Will they have to divert some resources away to work on a few guys? Of course, but in the end I think it would be worth it. Sticking exclusively to their wheelhouse of cheesecake is a safe choice in the short term, but not in the long run. As I've mentioned before, if Team Ninja doesn't get the jump on this type of content, another developer will, and they'll be left holding the bag. I don't think every game has to be suitable for all audiences obviously, but the potential to expand into the realm of beefcake is already there with DoA, as they have a strong stable of male characters that are sorely underused. Start with two guys, enough to have a team for volleyball. (Ideally I'd like four, but even I know that's a lot to expect right now.) The "safest" choices would be Hayate/Ein, Bayman, Ryu and Eliot. (You could make a case for Jann Lee too. Maybe even have him included when they add Lei Fang in.) Give 'em a few sexy swimsuits, which I know would be easier to conceptualize compared to the outlandish bikinis they're showing off, record a few grunts and suggestive lines, and let the players finally have some options. I think the added positive mind share they would gain from this would be enough to offset any initial trepidation. It would probably make it a lot easier to float the idea of an international release out there, and even if it still stayed a Japan only release, it would still find support IMO. Male oriented fanservice is on the rise everywhere.
Really, it's time for them to take a leap and go for it. The sooner they jump on board, the better for all involved.
DoA is not a female only series though, so that analogy doesn't work. The men are there, so it makes sense to utilize them. I'll say again, this would be in addition to the female related content, not in its stead. I've played plenty of games with female fanservice and didn't feel the need to burn it in effigy for affronting my senses, instead of seeking out the aspects of the game I do enjoy.
There are fans of the male characters, and we deserve to have some content made for us as well.
Shit, back then when I played DOAX, even as a horny teenager I was like "girls should have a men edition or something, it would be fair".
Now, in the year 2016 it's happening
. Still, the girls look better, IMO, and that should be worked on.
Long and hard work, that is.
Now, in the year 2016 it's happening
sorta
Long and hard work, that is.
DOA isn't a female only series, but DOAX is. The main reason people buy DOAX is to ogle at their favorite girl(s). Many fans are already unhappy because 6 of them were left out from DOAX3. Adding male characters instead of any of the 6 missing females will only make things worse.
The Silver
Member
packing the heat I see
Hours Left
Member
What about the fans that are unhappy about the lack of male characters? At least the people pining for the 6 left out females have a whole game's worth of content to occupy themselves with. We have nothing. If the absence of one particular female character is enough to make someone throw in the towel, then I think they have bigger problems to worry about when it comes to their gaming habits.
What it seems like you're saying is that you've got to have the whole pie, or the pie is ruined. If they do indeed decide to add some characters via DLC, do you think they're gonna throw in Bayman and Ryu and be like "that's it, the DLC is done." Of course not. If DLC characters happen, and I'm almost certain they will, I'm sure most, if not all, the remaining women are gonna be added to the game. Why can't there be some guys in there too?
They've supported DoA5 for 3+ years, and I'm sure they're gonna ride this cash cow as long as they can. The thing is, there's money to be made beyond just bikinis. And considering this whole concept I'm proposing is DLC based, if you don't like the ideas of bulging speedos on your beach, don't buy the DLC.
Astral Dog
Member
some dudes have something while others have nothing.
at least be glad they finally gave swimsuits in DOA lol
Playing a game without your favorite character just isn't the same.That's probably one of the reasons why Soulcalibur V bombed. Yes, having nothing is far worse and I do feel for you guys. I just don't think that adding males to DOAX is a good idea for the reasons mentioned earlier.
Hayashi already said that they have no plans to add characters via DLC. Sure, things can change but until they announce otherwise, I'll just take his word for it.
Hours Left
Member
I understand the feeling of not having access to your favorite character, but I think you can agree for anyone that prefers the female form when it comes to their fanservice needs, they could most certainly find at least one other woman among the current DoAX3 cast to divert their attention to. (As for the SoulCalibur V comment, it didn't actually bomb financially, but I get the gist of the your analogy.) And as you said, for those of us that prefer the male physique, it is far worse, because we literally have no options. Bayman is my favorite DoA guy, and of course I'd be over the moon if he was among the first men to be added to Xtreme, but if they do eventually add in some guys, and Bayman isn't among the initial batch, I'll be disappointed for sure, but I'm relatively confident I can find some enjoyment buttering up some other male DoA characters with a variety of swimsuits. The main takeaway is that we'd have something. I'm not expecting, or even hoping, for a 50/50 split when it comes to this series, but a few stuffed speedos, and a smattering of gratuitous beefcake shots isn't gonna bring the entire babe built empire of DoA to its knees, and if it did, that means it was on too tenuous a perch to begin with. And who knows, you might even like having some testosterone mixed in there? I know I could enjoy dressing up NyoTengu and Kokoro in some cute swimwear, maybe you could have a bit of fun slipping a few thongs into Hayate's dressing room. And even if not, at least you'll have more players to discuss the game with.
As for the "no DLC" comment, I'm mostly inclined to think that was said in order to boost sales of their relatively shady "pay to vote" scheme for deciding the initial 9 characters.
She's female - short for Leonor, I think.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Really lacking compared to the ladies, hell, every dude has basically the same anatomy and the exact same muscle tone on ever muscle, thats frustrating to see.
Like, a Jeet Kune Do fighter should have much different muscle tone than a Russian special ops guy, but here? Same.
Sorry, anatomy nerd.
Like, a Jeet Kune Do fighter should have much different muscle tone than a Russian special ops guy, but here? Same.
Sorry, anatomy nerd.
For future reference Team Ninja...
Noice
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
All the guys in DoA5 have small penises confirmed.
The Silver
Member
well excuse these guys for not being fully erect all the time.
Wear some boxer briefs. You don't have to be erect to have your junk protruding in a very noticeable manner. These guys are all Ken dolls. Reminds me of WWE 2K16 where every guy is a eunuch, too.
The Silver
Member
Very noticeable? That depends if you're a grower vs a shower
Necromanti
Member
Why not both? I'm sure they can accommodate everyone.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I'm most definitely a grower and I hang dong way better than any of the computer generated men in the OP
Train hard and eat right!
I'm not really being judgemental, but I think the DOAX crowd wouldn't appreciate "manservice" in the same way people wouldn't appreciate males in Playboy. As has been mentioned, maybe as entirely optional DLC, I guess - but I don't see it happening at all.
mcz117chief
Member
I might grab master Ryu's swimsuit but I hope you can remove the scuba mask.
Hours Left
Member
FYI: The individual costumes are available to purchase now on all platforms, but the PS4 costume bundle has been delayed until the 18th.
Monocle
Member
100% here for this. More developers should understand that 90's gaming cliches no longer hold true, if they ever did. There are tons of gamers who like fit guys, and even if there weren't, appealing to a specialized audience means more variety for everyone to enjoy.
I'm more than happy to run around as a femme fatale, but there comes a point where you think "Hey, wouldn't it be great if there were more hot guys in the mix?" Games like Sunset Overdrive, and now DOA5, give gamers of all kinds the opportunity to play as idealized characters of all kinds. This can only be a good thing.
Soul Calibur 4 kinda sorta cheated it with rubbery anatomy. There's a lot of room for improvement, but shirtless Kilik was still hot af.
I'm more than happy to run around as a femme fatale, but there comes a point where you think "Hey, wouldn't it be great if there were more hot guys in the mix?" Games like Sunset Overdrive, and now DOA5, give gamers of all kinds the opportunity to play as idealized characters of all kinds. This can only be a good thing.
The day someone figures out how to correctly model the things that a raised arm does to a fit guy's chest, pit, and shoulder areas is the day I won't leave my house for 72 hours minimum. All aboard the boner train, choo-choo!give me pecks that'lll move, bulging biceps and packages, from twinks to bears to athletic types, a personality that one could only find in a twilight book! nd. Come women and gay men, let's show koei our money so they can improve these feats!
woah
Soul Calibur 4 kinda sorta cheated it with rubbery anatomy. There's a lot of room for improvement, but shirtless Kilik was still hot af.
Or their tuck game is strong.