Except for the 360, so was Microsoft's consoles, and that would have failed due to rrod if they didn't have the backing of Microsoft. Only difference is they could afford to lose billions.
Doesn't matter, they both would have failed despite sells. Only Nintendo could survive such low sells because they sell hardware at a profit.The difference between the two is night and day in console sales, with Xbox easily selling far more units. Even in regards to games, Dreamcast was trying to skate by on arcade ports, and a few original titles that no one cared about.
Sega ran its course by 2001.
Sega have themselves to blame from the damage the 32x and Saturn did, much less the Sega CD....as a result Dreamcast was on borrowed time from day one
Microsoft, and it’s not even close. Sega would have squandered the investment money and merely delayed the inevitable. The Dreamcast existed by the graces of Isao Okawa, and their hardware doors shuttered when he passed away.
Doesn't matter, they both would have failed despite sells. Only Nintendo could survive such low sells because they sell hardware at a profit.
Sega, they innovated a lot more and brought a lot more good stuff to the industry that Microsoft ever has.
Sega, they innovated a lot more and brought a lot more good stuff to the industry that Microsoft ever has.
I think my point went over your head. They wouldn't have even made it to the 360 if they weren't a massive company backing it. All Xbox consoles would have killed a smaller company.Both would’ve failed? I have great news for you, Xbox is still around. They just had a bangin’ showcase. Check it out.
The Saturn was a bad idea from the get-go...there was no unity in the company to make a success of it.. even Tom Kalinske could see it was doomed to flop....it struggled to get a decent Sonic game...and Sega were fortunate that Japan still loved the world of 2d circa 1998 otherwise without doubt it would have been a global flop...The 32x maybe, but not so much the Saturn (unless we're including the rushed US launch). They had too many hands in too many pots at the time.
You're fine with time travel and magically giving one forum poster hundreds of millions, but that's where you draw the line?Dude, I'm not shitting on your idea; I'm critiquing it. Don't read it so negatively because it's not worded in a negative tone.
How is it realistic to expect Microsoft to change their focus even if I invest all my money with SEGA?
Uh, the thought experiment doesn't work at all if I don't do that, so I have to accept that in order to engage with the topic. This is known as me being charitable for the sake of argument in order to have a conversation.You're fine with time travel and magically giving one forum poster hundreds of millions, but that's where you draw the line?
I'll explain how this is not shitting on the idea. It's not shitting on the idea because I did not denigrate the premise unnecessarily negatively, nor did I insult the idea nor the character of the person proposing the idea.Not sure how that's not shitting on the idea, it's all hypothetical and not intended to be more than a bit of fun
Hamster's two choices:Uh, the thought experiment doesn't work at all if I don't do that, so I have to accept that in order to engage with the topic. This is known as me being charitable for the sake of argument in order to have a conversation.
I'll explain how this is not shitting on the idea. It's not shitting on the idea because I did not denigrate the premise unnecessarily negatively, nor did I insult the idea nor the character of the person proposing the idea.
But I am having fun!Hamster's two choices:
- Go against everything he believes in and have a bit of fun
- Try and fail to not be a miserable ballbag
I already explained that to you earlier. I will explain again. The purpose of this thought experiment is to ponder about a "what-if" scenario if SEGA was granted a second chance. The purpose of this thought experiment is NOT to ponder about the possibility of time travel and spontaneous money. Therefore, in order to talk about the SEGA "what if" scenario, I have to accept that yes, I am in 2001, and yes, I am a top investor, as per the OP's post.I'll say it again, it's a hypothetical situation and none of it is possible anyway, so why is time travel fine but Microsoft being deterred by Sega's presence somehow worse?
I hate you.But I am having fun!
I already explained that to you earlier. I will explain again. The purpose of this thought experiment is to ponder about a "what-if" scenario if SEGA was granted a second chance. The purpose of this thought experiment is NOT to ponder about the possibility of time travel and spontaneous money. Therefore, in order to talk about the SEGA "what if" scenario, I have to accept that yes, I am in 2001, and yes, I am a top investor, as per the OP's post.
In fact, it is erroneous to actually frame the issue as "being okay with time travel", as you say, because we're not actually travelling back in time. We're just thinking about the past, which does not require time travel.
What I am trying to do, is encourage the OP to flesh out his or her thoughts more because how does my investment into SEGA discourage Microsoft from entering the console market? Even if someone had given SEGA a second lease on life, Microsoft would probably have still done what they did, regardless of what SEGA is doing. Therefore, the thought experiment essentially becomes "would you have preferred SEGA be the counterpoint to Sony and Nintendo rather than Microsoft?".
This is called a good faith discussion, and not being grumpy!
Are you having a bad day?I hate you.
I choose Microsoft, because Xinput thanks to the 360 controller standardised controller input on PC and that was a mess beforehand. It's a selfish reason, but this thread isn't about altruism.Are you having a bad day?
This was one of the best things to happen to PC gaming in the last 20 years.Xinput thanks to the 360 controller standardised controller input on PC and that was a mess beforehand.
I wonder if even Steam Input would have existed in its current form without it. Without that stable base to build upon, I'm not sure how much of the PC gaming push still happens. Convenience is key, after all.This was one of the best things to happen to PC gaming in the last 20 years.
We still would have gotten it somehow. It was a huge problem. Someone would have noticed and fixed it eventually.I wonder if even Steam Input would have existed in its current form without it. Without that stable base to build upon, I'm not sure how much of the PC gaming push still happens. Convenience is key, after all.
The Saturn was a bad idea from the get-go...there was no unity in the company to make a success of it.. even Tom Kalinske could see it was doomed to flop....it struggled to get a decent Sonic game...and Sega were fortunate that Japan still loved the world of 2d circa 1998 otherwise without doubt it would have been a global flop...